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As usual, I'm turning to the font of weather knowledge that is uk.sci.weather. Where would I go to find out historic weather data for a specific date and place, going back about 30 years? I've been tasked with compiling a weather data chart showing how the weather has changed on the day of the Great North Run since its beginning. By the way, this is for a projec. Many thanks in advance Paul |
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![]() "Osram" wrote in message ... Hello As usual, I'm turning to the font of weather knowledge that is uk.sci.weather. Where would I go to find out historic weather data for a specific date and place, going back about 30 years? I've been tasked with compiling a weather data chart showing how the weather has changed on the day of the Great North Run since its beginning. By the way, this is for a projec. Many thanks in advance You'll get some information here. http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/weather.html Although only back to 1996 for Newcastle. Col -- Bolton, Lancashire. 160m asl. |
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On Oct 5, 9:10*am, Osram wrote:
Hello As usual, I'm turning to the font of weather knowledge that is uk.sci.weather. Where would I go to find out historic weather data for a specific date and place, going back about 30 years? I've been tasked with compiling a weather data chart showing how the weather has changed on the day of the Great North Run since its beginning. By the way, this is for a projec. Many thanks in advance What you are looking for is a phenomenon called "singularities". Latency or hysteresis in fluid mechanics but the fluid in meteorology is not air. Air is a "perfect" fluid. It does not transmit "knock on effects" never mind hang on to previous behaviour. When a material the extent of th atmosphere is concerned it is continually in a state of decay, returning to the most stable condition available to the smallest parts of it. Here is something Philip Edn has published if you don't wnat to shell out serious beer tokens for his book: Singularities Does the weather have a memory? by Philip Eden There has always been an impression that certain types of weather recur at certain times of the year. The idea is irrational and unscientific. But statistical work over the last century and half has identified some significant tendencies to unusual weather at particular times of the year. These seasonal tendencies are called ‘singularities’. Singularities date back to Alexander Buchan's analysis of Edinburgh temperatures in 1869 in which he identified times of the year which were regularly warmer or colder than would be expected from the smoothed annual curve of mean temperature. More detailed and extensive work was conducted in Germany, the Netherlands, Austria and Sweden during the early1900's, and the subject was taken up in the UK Meteorological Office from the 1930s onwards. Rigorous statistical techniques were applied to daily sea-level pressure patterns over Europe and the north Atlantic over a period of 60 years. The end result was that several key periods were identified throughout the year when these synoptic patterns deviated markedly from the normal seasonal progression. The events certainly did not happen every year, nor were any exact dates set in stone, but more than 20 singularities which occurred in more than half the years of the analysis were detected in the British climate: Event Avg. Start Avg. End Peak Frequency % Early-Jan storms 5 Jan 17 Jan 8 Jan 86 Mid-Jan settled 18 Jan 24 Jan 21 Jan 86 Late-Jan storms 24 Jan 1 Feb 31 Jan 84 Early-Feb settled 8 Feb 16 Feb 13 Feb 56 Early-Mar storms 26 Feb 9 Mar 1 Mar 88 Mid-Mar settled 12 Mar 19 Mar 14 Mar 52 Late-Mar storms 24 Mar 31 Mar 28 Mar 67 Mid-Apr storms 10 Apr 15 Apr 14 Apr 71 Late-Apr rains 23 Apr 26 Apr 25 Apr 52 June monsoon 1 Jun 21 Jun 16 Jun 77 July heatwave 10 Jul 24 Jul 16 Jul 80 Late-Aug winds 20 Aug 30 Aug 28 Aug 67 Early-Sep warmth 1 Sep 17 Sep 10 Sep 82 Mid-Sep storms 17 Sep 24 Sep 20 Sep 60 Old Wives’ Summer 24 Sep 4 Oct 29 Sep 64 Early-Oct storms 5 Oct 12 Oct 9 Oct 67 St Luke’s Summer 16 Oct 20 Oct 19 Oct 67 Mid-autumn storms 24 Oct 13 Nov 29 Oct 100 St Martin’s Summer 15 Nov 21 Nov 18 Nov 66 Early-Dec storms 24 Nov 14 Dec 9 Dec 98 Mid-Dec settled 18 Dec 24 Dec 21 Dec 56 Christmas storm 25 Dec 1 Jan 28 Dec 84 After a further sixty years these singularities are still identifiable on many occasions. http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/repor...gularities.htm |
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On Oct 6, 10:26*am, Weatherlawyer wrote:
Early-Sep warmth 1 Sep 17 Sep Mid-Sep storms 17 Sep 24 Sep Old Wives’ Summer 24 Sep 4 Oct Early-Oct storms 5 Oct 12 Oct St Luke’s Summer 16 Oct 20 Oct Mid-autumn storms 24 Oct 13 Nov St Martin’s Summer 15 Nov 21 Nov Early-Dec storms 24 Nov 14 Dec Mid-Dec settled 18 Dec 24 Dec Christmas storm 25 Dec 1 Jan http://www.weatheronline.co.uk/repor...gularities.htm Got any dates for these Philip, me old garden? NE 1? |
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On Oct 5, 9:10�am, Osram wrote:
Hello As usual, I'm turning to the font of weather knowledge that is uk.sci.weather. Where would I go to find out historic weather data for a specific date and place, going back about 30 years? I've been tasked with compiling a weather data chart showing how the weather has changed on the day of the Great North Run since its beginning. By the way, this is for a projec. Many thanks in advance Paul It's certainly my impression that the day of the GNR has usually enjoyed excellent weather over the years (wasn't there a recent occasion when there were problems (a fatality?) bought on by the unusual heat)? Difficult to pin it down as a particular date or singular period, as the previous day was shocking for the junior run. Must be the influence of St.Brendan. Certainly shows that part of the country in a brilliant light, both as regards the scenery and the people. Jim Castle Douglas |
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On 6 Oct, 17:54, wrote:
On Oct 5, 9:10 am, Osram wrote: It's certainly my impression that the day of the GNR has usually enjoyed excellent weather over the years (wasn't there a recent occasion when there were problems (a fatality?) bought on by the unusual heat)? Difficult to pin it down as a particular date or singular period, as the previous day was shocking for the junior run. Must be the influence of St.Brendan. Certainly shows that part of the country in a brilliant light, both as regards the scenery and the people. Hi, Jim, I've run the last five GNR and on each occasion the weather has been fine. Yesterday was almost ideal for running - cool light headwind, cloudless sky and 10C with low humidity. As you say, 3 years ago was too hot and, tragically, five died. The date was put back because of this. You are quite correct about the scenery and the people - a marvellous occasion. Ken Copley, Teesdale |
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