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I've been doing some simple sums, and ended with surprising results.
I noticed that the sun transverses the sky quicker at the summer solstice than the winter solstice. At the summer solstice, the sun crosses the sky at 3.8 mins per degree. At the winter solstice, the sun crosses the sky at 4.8 mins per degree. There was I thinking that in the winter the sun is in the sky less time, so it must cross the sky at a quicker rate. -- Joe Egginton Wolverhampton 175m asl |
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Joe
You and I seem to share a common interest in the unimportant:-) I had an equally "nerdish" mate at University all those years ago. One evening we were queuing for the cinema and he remarked that the exterior light was flickering just like a "Cepheid variable" to which I replied that we could "work out how far away it is then!" Anyway, your query. I presume your figures of minutes of time per degree are the rate of the HORIZONTAL component of the sun's apparent motion rather than its motion along its path. Along its path, the sun moves 360 degrees in 24 hours or 15 degs/hour or as you put it, 4.0 minutes of time per degree. Now in the summer, the sun moves upwards during the morning at quite a steep angle (and moves downwards in the afternoon similarly steeply). So the HORIZONTAL component of its path will be less than in winter when the sun never climbs (or descends) as steeply. QED? Jack |
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... | Joe | | You and I seem to share a common interest in the unimportant:-) I had | an equally "nerdish" mate at University all those years ago. One | evening we were queuing for the cinema and he remarked that the | exterior light was flickering just like a "Cepheid variable" to which | I replied that we could "work out how far away it is then!" | | Anyway, your query. I presume your figures of minutes of time per | degree are the rate of the HORIZONTAL component of the sun's apparent | motion rather than its motion along its path. Along its path, the sun | moves 360 degrees in 24 hours or 15 degs/hour or as you put it, 4.0 | minutes of time per degree. Now in the summer, the sun moves | upwards during the morning at quite a steep angle (and moves downwards | in the afternoon similarly steeply). So the HORIZONTAL component of | its path will be less than in winter when the sun never climbs (or | descends) as steeply. | The sun really does cross the sky slightly faster during the summer than the winter. The earth's rotation rate is for practical purposes constant, but the sun's rate of progress across the sky is slowed by our movement round it (the earth's rotation makes the stars appear to move from east to west, but our motion around the sun makes the sun appear to move from west to east relative to the stars). Our orbit around the sun is not circular, so when we are nearer the sun (closest approach is early January) our faster movement in orbit will make the sun appear to move just a touch slower than when we are further away (in early July). This effect can also be seen by checking the solstice and equinox dates. The intervals between the equinoxes and the December solstice are a couple of days less than between the equinoxes and the June solstice. For those of us in the Northern hemisphere, winter is just a little shorter than summer because we are closer to the sun and therefore orbiting it faster during the winter. [But why is the cricket season not longer than the football season?] However, I do not believe this effect is anything like as large as the differences quoted in the original post, so there must be other effects as well. BTW, the different lengths of daylight between Summer and Winter has nothing to do with this. The tilt of the earth's axis means that a greater or lesser proportion of the sun's apparent path across the sky is above the horizon, depending on the season. This effect is exaggerated by latitude, so if you go far enough north or south you can get continuous daylight or continuous night for a period of weeks or even months, while near the equator there is pretty much the same number of daylight hours each day all the year round. -- - Yokel - oo oo OOO OOO OO 0 OO ) ( I ) ( ) ( /\ ) ( "Yokel" posts via a spam-trap account which is not read. |
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