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I am preparing a series of lessons on the supposed increase in flood
frequency and intensity in the UK as a result of climate change.

Trendy geography this, even if I am unconvinced about its efficacy.

Does any one amongst the iluuminaries of the esteemed members of this
newsgroup have any links to articles and papers that may help me
stimulate and educate the eager students at Bablake please?

Steve J
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I am preparing a series of lessons on the supposed increase in flood
frequency and intensity in the UK as a result of climate change.

Trendy geography this, even if I am unconvinced about its efficacy.

Does any one amongst the iluuminaries of the esteemed members of
this
newsgroup have any links to articles and papers that may help me
stimulate and educate the eager students at Bablake please?

Steve J



.... a couple for starters:-

http://www.tyndall.ac.uk/events/past...ng_seminar.pdf

http://nora.nerc.ac.uk/2976/

Martin.



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On 16 May, 16:36, "Martin Rowley"
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... a couple for starters:-

http://www.tyndall.ac.uk/events/past..._flooding_semi...

http://nora.nerc.ac.uk/2976/



Excellent thanks mate

Steve J
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On May 16, 3:01*pm, Steve J wrote:
I am preparing a series of lessons on the supposed increase in flood
frequency and intensity in the UK as a result of climate change.

Trendy geography this, even if I am unconvinced about its efficacy.

Does any one amongst the iluuminaries of the esteemed members of this
newsgroup have any links to articles and papers that may help me
stimulate and educate the *eager students at Bablake please?

Steve J


I am not sure if using Google makes me an luminary or esteemed but if
you go to:
http://www.google.co.uk/
Click on "Pages from the UK" then enter
uk climate change flooding
you will get quite a few interesting pages including at least one
mentioned by Martin.
But I suspect your students would have told you that anyway :-)

If you repeat that procedure at
http://uk.altavista.com/
you will get some more including this one from the BBC:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/climate/impact/flooding.shtml
which is possibly is at a level most suitable for your pupils.

http://uk.search.yahoo.com/
also produces similar results including this one:

It's too late. Climate change floods are inevitable - no matter what
we do
Cost of erosion, rising rivers and polluted drains could hit £20bn
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2004/ap...ce.environment

which is over five years old!

Perhaps I am teaching my granny to suck eggs because I thought all
teachers were now aware that their pupils go to Wikipedia and use that
text in their assignments. If you add wikipedia to the search string
you get this web page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood
which has a link to ^ Cabinet Office, UK. "Pitt Review: Lessons
learned from the 2007 floods." June 2008. at:
http://archive.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/...ittreview.html
which may be more like what you are looking for.

Anyway, I dislike students posting questions on newsgroups in order to
get the answer to their homework. So promise not to use any of this
in your lessons :-)

Cheers, Alastair.
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On 16 May, 17:38, Alastair wrote:

Perhaps I am teaching my granny to suck eggs because I thought all
teachers were now aware that their pupils go to Wikipedia and use that
text in their assignments.


Anyway, I dislike students posting questions on newsgroups in order to
get the answer to their homework. *So promise not to use any of this
in your lessons :-)


Thank you for your contributions gentlemen, especially Alistair who
seems to think me incapable of searcing wiki and the havens of the
average student who like to copy and paste their essays into a word
documanet:-)

I asked here in the hope of any knowledge of academic research that
may be factual rather than pure fantasy - all the usual easily
accessible links have been well covered, thanks.

Thanks Martin too - you never let anyone down on this ng:-)

Steve J


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On May 16, 5:39*pm, Steve J wrote:
On 16 May, 17:38, Alastair wrote:
Thank you for your contributions gentlemen, especially Alistair who
seems to think me incapable of searcing wiki and the havens of the
average student who like to copy and paste their essays into a word
documanet:-)


I didn't realise that you wanted scientific papers disproving "the
supposed increase in flood frequency and intensity in the UK as a
result of climate change." That is more difficult since the general
consensus is that climate change will lead to an increase, but I think
I can comply :-)

But first let me defend Wikipedia. As I have already reported, at
the last RMetSoc meeting two FRSes used diagrams from Wikipedia in
their presentations. Of course you should not trust it blindly, but it
is a good starting point. In fact the link from it I gave you is the
latest official thinking on flooding in the UK - The Pitt Review
http://archive.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/...ittreview.html .

Hopefully this post will be read by more than just yourself Steve. So
the following is aimed at all readers of this post not just you. If
you have not already done so it is well worth joining the Royal
Meteorological Society. When you do so you get their magazine
"Weather" for free. The subscription to the society can be deducted
from you income tax since it is a professional association.
Alternatively, you can do as I did, and join at the student rate if
you enroll on the Open University first level Weather course. The
magazine has a mix of light to serious articles on weather, though not
full blown scientific papers which I assume would be well beyond 14
year old pupils.

The reason I mention that, is in last January's (2009) there was an
article which fits your specification. It is a rebuttal of the Pitt
Review. It argues that although the rainfall events in the summer of
2007 were the heaviest ever recorded in a three month period they
should not be described as 'unprecedented'! The full citation is
Eden, Philip. (2009) "The Government's response to the summer floods
of 2007", Weather, Royal Meteorological Society, vol. 64 p18-22 DOI:
10.1002/wea.358

HTH,

Cheers, Alastair.
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On May 16, 4:01*pm, Steve J wrote:
I am preparing a series of lessons on the supposed increase in flood
frequency and intensity in the UK as a result of climate change.

Trendy geography this, even if I am unconvinced about its efficacy.

Does any one amongst the iluuminaries of the esteemed members of this
newsgroup have any links to articles and papers that may help me
stimulate and educate the *eager students at Bablake please?

Steve J


Try Philip Eden's book "Great British Weather Disasters". Better to
present your students with something written by a climatologist,
instead of someone on Wiki.
The way Phil dissects the "unprecedented" weather of many recent
weather events, including floods, with a barrage of actual evidence is
quite superb and will make your students think twice before accepting
some of the wilder claims and hand-washing when an agency makes a
complet ******** of disaster planning.
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Steve J writes:
I am preparing a series of lessons on the supposed increase in flood
frequency and intensity in the UK as a result of climate change.

Trendy geography this, even if I am unconvinced about its efficacy.

Does any one amongst the iluuminaries of the esteemed members of this
newsgroup have any links to articles and papers that may help me
stimulate and educate the eager students at Bablake please?


There's much of interest in Philip Eden's most recent book, "Great
British Weather Disasters ".
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pays off now." Anon
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John Hall wrote:

There's much of interest in Philip Eden's most recent book, "Great
British Weather Disasters ".


Would that be a book about the current crop of Weather
Forecasters/Presenters?

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In article ,
Graham P Davis writes:
John Hall wrote:

There's much of interest in Philip Eden's most recent book, "Great
British Weather Disasters ".


Would that be a book about the current crop of Weather
Forecasters/Presenters?


Now. now.
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John Hall "Hard work often pays off after time, but laziness always
pays off now." Anon


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