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Take heed those that feel that a factor two hundred and twenty seven in
Ambre Solaire and a steady easterly can protect them from the ravages of
climate change.UKMO have the country on Red Alert

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatec...test/heat.html


Working hand in hand with this present government the MettO are preparing
for increased death rates as killer heat waves are on the cards due to not
enough AGW taxation. But hold on this is no time to be flippant deaths
caused by heat is a serious business
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn4259

So the New Scientist article claims two thousand people died in the UK
during the excessive heat in the summer of 2003, now that is very apt as I
happen to have downloaded the Leading Causes of Mortality for England and
Wales 2003 http://www.statistics.gov.uk/statbas...asp?vlnk=15096.

Now just to get some perspective the summer in Europe of 2003 was and has
been exceptional with nothing like it since, yet looking at the statistics
which show that 548,252 people died in England and Wales that year so even
the dubious figure of 2000 doesn't even compare. In fact there's not one
mention of heat related deaths in the whole report. . Of course many of the
deaths would be attributal to heat exacerbating other health problems.yet
34,000 died in 2003 from Influennza are UKMO going to mention that? Or that
30,000 die every year from being to cold with hyperthermia
http://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/40000156/ So here warmer winters would
save many lives , why is UKMO silent on this Climate Change scenario.

I would hazard a guess that those at risk would be very ill or very
elderly, in which case it would make the UKMO having its strings pulled by a
government whose NHS is where the elderly go to die from neglect or
bacterial infection rather a grotesque dose of hypocrisy underwritten by
absurd contradiction.

I accept that during a heatwave leaving the elderly lying in their own urine
for hours on end could be seen as a cooling intervention by a caring NHS but
its hardly appropriate is it.

I really can't see how those folk at UKMO cannot see how, that on the pie
chart of causes of death in this country hot weather hardly warrants a crumb
let alone slice.

One final point: These- not yet arrived heat waves being deadly. The bulk of
people in this country far from fleeing such temperatures in fear actively
seek them. They call it going on holiday to Malaga for two weeks and laying
in the sun all day. Just ask a certain Torbay chap.










The message seems to be
"If you can't stand the heat, get out with the bitching"




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On Jun 11, 12:26*am, "Lawrence Jenkins" wrote:
Take heed those that feel that a factor two hundred and twenty seven in
Ambre Solaire and a steady easterly *can protect them from the ravages of
climate change.UKMO have the country on Red Alert

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatec...test/heat.html

Working hand in hand with this present government the MettO are preparing
for increased death rates as killer heat waves are on the cards due to not
enough AGW taxation. But hold on this is no time to be flippant deaths
caused by heat is a serious businesshttp://www.newscientist.com/article/dn4259

So the New Scientist article claims two thousand people died in the UK
during the excessive heat in the summer of 2003, now that is very apt as I
happen to have downloaded the Leading Causes of Mortality for England and
Wales 2003http://www.statistics.gov.uk/statbase/Product.asp?vlnk=15096.

Now just to get some perspective the summer in Europe of 2003 was and has
been exceptional with nothing like it since, yet looking at the statistics
which show that 548,252 people died in England and Wales that year so even
the dubious figure of 2000 *doesn't even compare. In fact there's not one
mention of heat related deaths in the whole report. . Of course many of the
deaths would be attributal to heat exacerbating other health problems.yet
34,000 died in 2003 from Influennza are UKMO going to mention that? Or that
30,000 die every year from being to cold with hyperthermiahttp://www.patient.co.uk/showdoc/40000156/*So here warmer winters would
save many lives , why is UKMO silent on this Climate Change scenario.

*I would hazard a guess that those at risk would be very ill or very
elderly, in which case it would make the UKMO having its strings pulled by a
government whose NHS is where the elderly go to die from neglect or
bacterial infection rather a grotesque dose of hypocrisy underwritten by
absurd contradiction.

I accept that during a heatwave leaving the elderly lying in their own urine
for hours on end could be seen as a cooling intervention by a caring NHS but
its hardly appropriate is it.

I really can't see how those folk at UKMO cannot see how, that on the pie
chart of causes of death in this country hot weather hardly warrants a crumb
let alone slice.

One final point: These- not yet arrived heat waves being deadly. The bulk of
people in this country far from fleeing such temperatures in fear actively
seek them. They call it going on holiday to Malaga for two weeks and laying
in the sun all day. Just ask a certain Torbay chap.

The message seems to be
"If you can't stand the heat, get out with the bitching"


Good heavens, Lawrence, you really can be seriously sensible,
except for the unnecessary reference to He Who Must Be Ignored. I
agree almost entirely with every point you make, in particular the
point about cold-related deaths. The figures for both this and deaths
due to excessive heat can only be statistical estimates but it is
obvious that the reduction in deaths due to cold will vastly outweigh
the increase due to heat. It would be interesting to know what the
figures for heat-related deaths are in really hot countries and for
cold-related deaths in very cold places. My guess is that they are
not greatly different from ours when (and this is important)
allowance has been made for general standard of living and
availability of medical resources. What catches people out is a
freakishly hot summer or cold winter, not the overall gradual
increase. A given culture or country adapts itself by habit to the
prevailing climate and to some extent to its variability.
It may well be that summer temperatures in the UK will rise
to those formerly experienced in central France, where they have not
being dropping like flies over the centuries, and the rate of increase
is not too fast for us to adapt. There are already a few signs (at
least up to 2006) that this is taking place. An anomaly like 2003 in
France is very rare and I know of no evidence that the variability of
summer temperatures (with respect to the moving mean) is increasing.
Overall it seems rather obvious that in the UK rising
temperatures will cause fewer deaths due to extreme temperatures, not
more, but no-one likes to mention this. It is "the elephant in the
room." The media are too scientifically ignorant to appreciate this
and in any case are in the business of making people gasp, preferably
with fear.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.



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