http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/i...timeseries.png
Mind you this looks better
http://arctic-roos.org/observations/...%20ice%20areas


Now thats what I call a jaxa position
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm




Now way darn sarf

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/i...timeseries.png

I do bellieve its way above average

We're all gonna drown.

On Jun 16, 5:34*pm, "Lawrence Jenkins" wrote:
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/i...timeseries.png
Mind you this looks betterhttp://arctic-roos.org/observations/satellite-data/sea-ice/ice-area-a...

Now thats what I call a jaxa positionhttp://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm

Now way darn sarf

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/i...timeseries.png

I do bellieve its way above average

We're all gonna drown.

It's a snapshot, dear boy. You never understand that. It doesn't mean
anything. Only the long-term trend of decreasing Arctic ice means
anything. You also fail to understand that one event, such as a
glacier in Argentina extending, reveals that GW is at an end; it just
shows your complete lack of understanding about glaciology. Neither
does someone removing airconditioning units from a building have any
relevance whatsoever to GW. Neither does increasing ice in Antarctica
show a great deal about GW.

e do read these, any one of these could be accepted as a bit silly, a
harmless misunderstanding, but nothing to really worry about. To quote
4 of these in a week shows you up as a serial conspiracist who should
be ignored until you cross the fine line between harmless idiot and
idiot.

"Lawrence Jenkins" wrote in message
...
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/i...timeseries.png
Mind you this looks better
http://arctic-roos.org/observations/...%20ice%20areas


Now thats what I call a jaxa position
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm

Still a long way to go, Lawrence. ;-)

Could be an upward blip just to tease you and keep you interested! It would
be more than interesting if it continued to go against expected trend but...

Only another 3.5 months, or thereabouts, to go!

Joe

On Jun 16, 6:34*pm, "JCW" wrote:
"Lawrence Jenkins" wrote in message
... http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/i...timeseries.png

Mind you this looks better
http://arctic-roos.org/observations/...ice/ice-area-a...

Now that's what I call a jaxa position
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm

Still a long way to go, Lawrence.

Could be an upward blip just to tease you and keep you interested! It would
be more than interesting if it continued to go against expected trend but....

Only another 3.5 months, or thereabouts, to go!

Interesting that the lack of any potential in any ocean this year
compares with 2005 was it? as pretty much the same.

OTOH it is just using sqKms (if we won the war why are be bothering
with Kms?) it doesn't mention thickness or age.

BTW how will sea ice melting cause problems down here? It won't raise
the sea level. In fact rumour has it that een if Greenland's sheet is
removed most of that will have little effect too neither as most of
Greenland is an archipelago apparently.

(If it it really is an archipelago, the sea ice masquerading as
glaciers is already displacing liquid sea. Water levels might even go
down as the water table rises, always assuming deforestation ceases
forthwith.)

How much displacement will be removed by the fresh water becoming
brine? I presume the dilution of salt already in solute won't make any
difference. Can I presume brine and fresh water....

hmm...
I wonder what I was trying to rationalise. Thank goodness I can't
remember.

"Dawlish" wrote in message
...
On Jun 16, 5:34 pm, "Lawrence Jenkins" wrote:
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/i...timeseries.png
Mind you this looks
betterhttp://arctic-roos.org/observations/satellite-data/sea-ice/ice-area-a...

Now thats what I call a jaxa
positionhttp://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm

Now way darn sarf

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/i...timeseries.png

I do bellieve its way above average

We're all gonna drown.

It's a snapshot, dear boy. You never understand that. It doesn't mean
anything. Only the long-term trend of decreasing Arctic ice means
anything. You also fail to understand that one event, such as a
glacier in Argentina extending, reveals that GW is at an end; it just
shows your complete lack of understanding about glaciology. Neither
does someone removing airconditioning units from a building have any
relevance whatsoever to GW. Neither does increasing ice in Antarctica
show a great deal about GW.

e do read these, any one of these could be accepted as a bit silly, a
harmless misunderstanding, but nothing to really worry about. To quote
4 of these in a week shows you up as a serial conspiracist who should
be ignored until you cross the fine line between harmless idiot and
idiot.


You can never play nicely, can you?

Such a willful boy.

On Jun 16, 5:34*pm, "Lawrence Jenkins" wrote:
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/i...timeseries.png

Worth noting some things about the melt season in the Arctic. The
season is characterised by acceleration and slowing down of the rate
of melt. The recent slowing down was probably due to some fairly
intense low pressures that had been affecting the Arctic Basin. These
storms can lead to a slowing of the melt and storms in August of 2006
were the reason why that summer didn't achieve a record low (2007 then
went on to stun all Arctic scientists, of course, with a quite
incredible ice low!).

As you can see from the wetterzentrale N. Hemisphere maps below, those
storms have been replaced by a large area of high pressure, which was
well forecast and has built over the last few days. It is presently
centred on the North Pole and is forecast to persist, drifting over
the Chuckchi Sea and the East Siberian Sea during the next week. The
increased insolation this will bring ought to kick start the melt in
the Arctic Basin and begin a rapid melt of the very vulnerable first-
year ice in the two other areas I've mentioned, as well as other
adjoining areas. Watch the rate of Arctic ice-loss over the next 7-10
days. I'd expect it to accelerate and we could well see a period of
very fast melt over the solstice and to the end of June.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rhavn001.gif

In article
,
Weatherlawyer wrote:

BTW how will sea ice melting cause problems down here? It won't raise
the sea level. In fact rumour has it that een if Greenland's sheet is
removed most of that will have little effect too neither as most of
Greenland is an archipelago apparently.

What rubbish! Not true, in fact it is worse. If ice is removed from
Greenland, isotatic (?) release means the underlying rock will rise slowly
and raise sea-level further.

--
Rodney Blackall (retired meteorologist)(BSc, FRMetS)
Buckingham, ENGLAND
Using Acorn SA-RPC, OS 4.02 with ANT INS and Pluto 3.03j

"Dawlish" wrote in message
...
On Jun 16, 5:34 pm, "Lawrence Jenkins" wrote:
http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/i...timeseries.png

Worth noting some things about the melt season in the Arctic. The
season is characterised by acceleration and slowing down of the rate
of melt. The recent slowing down was probably due to some fairly
intense low pressures that had been affecting the Arctic Basin. These
storms can lead to a slowing of the melt and storms in August of 2006
were the reason why that summer didn't achieve a record low (2007 then
went on to stun all Arctic scientists, of course, with a quite
incredible ice low!).

As you can see from the wetterzentrale N. Hemisphere maps below, those
storms have been replaced by a large area of high pressure, which was
well forecast and has built over the last few days. It is presently
centred on the North Pole and is forecast to persist, drifting over
the Chuckchi Sea and the East Siberian Sea during the next week. The
increased insolation this will bring ought to kick start the melt in
the Arctic Basin and begin a rapid melt of the very vulnerable first-
year ice in the two other areas I've mentioned, as well as other
adjoining areas. Watch the rate of Arctic ice-loss over the next 7-10
days. I'd expect it to accelerate and we could well see a period of
very fast melt over the solstice and to the end of June.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rhavn001.gif


Now let me get this straight: When it doesn't melt it's weather and when it
does its AGW LOL

On Jun 17, 6:57*pm, "Lawrence Jenkins" wrote:
"Dawlish" wrote in message

...
On Jun 16, 5:34 pm, "Lawrence Jenkins" wrote:

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/i...timeseries.png

Worth noting some things about the melt season in the Arctic. The
season is characterised by acceleration and slowing down of the rate
of melt. The recent slowing down was probably due to some fairly
intense low pressures that had been affecting the Arctic Basin. These
storms can lead to a slowing of the melt and storms in August of 2006
were the reason why that summer didn't achieve a record low (2007 then
went on to stun all Arctic scientists, of course, with a quite
incredible ice low!).

As you can see from the wetterzentrale N. Hemisphere maps below, those
storms have been replaced by a large area of high pressure, which was
well forecast and has built over the last few days. It is presently
centred on the North Pole and is forecast to persist, drifting over
the Chuckchi Sea and the East Siberian Sea during the next week. The
increased insolation this will bring ought to kick start the melt in
the Arctic Basin and begin a rapid melt of the very vulnerable first-
year ice in the two other areas I've mentioned, as well as other
adjoining areas. Watch the rate of Arctic ice-loss over the next 7-10
days. I'd expect it to accelerate and we could well see a period of
very fast melt over the solstice and to the end of June.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rhavn001.gif

Now let me get this straight: When it doesn't melt it's weather and when it
does its AGW LOL

What ARE you talking about? My post is about varying ice melt during
the melt season and one reason for it. Was something in it wrong?

I've been at pains to point out to you that you simply don't
understand about snapshots and what you mustn't make of them. Ice
melt, especially around the solstice, is prone to acceleration and
slowing down because of synoptics and a comment when it slows down
just shows you don't get it. You see the hand of AGW in everything
around you. An ounce of sense and understanding would really, really,
help you. Leave alone what you don't understand and can't discuss and
stop posting these silly one-line posts with a link to a newspaper, or
a blog, about it being colder somewhere.

"Dawlish" wrote in message
...
On Jun 17, 6:57 pm, "Lawrence Jenkins" wrote:
"Dawlish" wrote in message

...
On Jun 16, 5:34 pm, "Lawrence Jenkins" wrote:

http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/i...timeseries.png

Worth noting some things about the melt season in the Arctic. The
season is characterised by acceleration and slowing down of the rate
of melt. The recent slowing down was probably due to some fairly
intense low pressures that had been affecting the Arctic Basin. These
storms can lead to a slowing of the melt and storms in August of 2006
were the reason why that summer didn't achieve a record low (2007 then
went on to stun all Arctic scientists, of course, with a quite
incredible ice low!).

As you can see from the wetterzentrale N. Hemisphere maps below, those
storms have been replaced by a large area of high pressure, which was
well forecast and has built over the last few days. It is presently
centred on the North Pole and is forecast to persist, drifting over
the Chuckchi Sea and the East Siberian Sea during the next week. The
increased insolation this will bring ought to kick start the melt in
the Arctic Basin and begin a rapid melt of the very vulnerable first-
year ice in the two other areas I've mentioned, as well as other
adjoining areas. Watch the rate of Arctic ice-loss over the next 7-10
days. I'd expect it to accelerate and we could well see a period of
very fast melt over the solstice and to the end of June.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rhavn001.gif

Now let me get this straight: When it doesn't melt it's weather and when
it
does its AGW LOL

What ARE you talking about? My post is about varying ice melt during
the melt season and one reason for it. Was something in it wrong?

I've been at pains to point out to you that you simply don't
understand about snapshots and what you mustn't make of them. Ice
melt, especially around the solstice, is prone to acceleration and
slowing down because of synoptics and a comment when it slows down
just shows you don't get it. You see the hand of AGW in everything
around you. An ounce of sense and understanding would really, really,
help you. Leave alone what you don't understand and can't discuss and
stop posting these silly one-line posts with a link to a newspaper, or
a blog, about it being colder somewhere.

I find this stuff rich coming from people like you and Col who believe Polar
Bears are in danger?

You jsut couldn't make it up.