On Aug 20, 10:30*am, Mike Tullett wrote:
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 02:12:02 -0700 (PDT), Dawlish wrote in


Now, how about an answer to what Alastair posted?
Already answered. No vendetta at all; never has been.

Unless my news server is missing a post, that is untrue. *You have only
replied to my supportive post, not answered Alastair's original point.
Please provided a link to your reply if there really is one.

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Mike Tullett - Coleraine 55.13°N 6.69°W *posted 8/20/2009 9:30:44 AM *GMT

If Alistair, or yourself can't support what I say, exactly how much
relevance to me will it have? I believe I've answered the wholly wrong
and rather silly point about "vendettas". However you wish to view me,
or my posts is entirely irrelevant to me.

Now; is there anything at all you wish to add to the title and point
of this thread, apart from talking about me (which appears to be a
favourite occupation of yours recently and also in the past). Either
killfile me, or go back to your tree. (and before you trot out good
the old line "don't tell me what to do".......then don't play the
vulture if you don't like the replies you get from me - which, as
always are neither abusive, foul-mouthed, or threatening - just mildly
forceful and containing decent argument and points which Lawrence
always finds difficult to counter; unlike his own foul, aggressive and
overtly threatening tactics which you seek to defend).

Just to remind you, as you have clearly forgotten in your chagrin, the
thread is about Greenpeace's interview and Watt's take on it.

On Wed, 19 Aug 2009 15:46:12 -0700 (PDT), Alastair wrote in


I have been watching this talk by James Hansen, a NASA director.
http://www.pages-osm.org/osm/publiclecture.html

Thanks - seen it now. I reckon he sneaked into a few of my lectures
however, given the similar content:-)

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Mike Tullett - Coleraine 55.13°N 6.69°W posted 20/08/2009 19:12:42 GMT

On 20 Aug, 11:32, Dawlish wrote:

Now; is there anything at all you wish to add to the title and point
of this thread, apart from talking about me (which appears to be a
favourite occupation of yours recently and also in the past). Either
killfile me, or go back to your tree.

Sorry: I'm up here, Mike will have to wait to find a branch.

Richard

"Alastair" wrote ...
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I have been watching this talk by James Hansen, a NASA director.
http://www.pages-osm.org/osm/publiclecture.html
He stopped campaigning about global warming in the late 1980s
because
he was such a poor public speaker, but now feels he must do it again
so he can face his grandchildren with a clear conscience. Here's a
chance to see why he gave up, and why he took it up again!

.... thanks for that link, Alastair: have just got around to watching
it. Had to spread out over a couple of days. I can see why some have
commented on Dr. Hansen's public speaking ability, and it is useful to
be able to stop/rewind to get the full impact of what he was
presenting.

Not a great deal new to anyone who's followed the debate over the
years, though I wasn't aware of the gravity perturbation sensing of
the Greenland ice sheet - that was fascinating. A short-length data
set atm of course, but one to watch.

The tales of 'interception' of reports/releases from NASA via the
White House was also of interest - not surprising I'm afraid and I
suspect it goes on this side of the Atlantic too.

Martin.


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Martin Rowley
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Lat: 50.82N Long: 01.88W
NGR: SU 082 023

On Aug 22, 5:22*pm, "Martin Rowley"
wrote:
"Alastair" wrote ...
snip

I have been watching this talk by James Hansen, a NASA director.
http://www.pages-osm.org/osm/publiclecture.html
He stopped campaigning about global warming in the late 1980s
because
he was such a poor public speaker, but now feels he must do it again
so he can face his grandchildren with a clear conscience. *Here's a
chance to see why he gave up, and why he took it up again!

... thanks for that link, Alastair: have just got around to watching
it. Had to spread out over a couple of days. I can see why some have
commented on Dr. Hansen's public speaking ability, and it is useful to
be able to stop/rewind to get the full impact of what he was
presenting.

Not a great deal new to anyone who's followed the debate over the
years, though I wasn't aware of the gravity perturbation sensing of
the Greenland ice sheet - that was fascinating. A short-length data
set atm of course, but one to watch.

There is another presentation from the PAGES conference here
http://oregonstate.edu/media/qqrbg-hiq
which deals with the melting ice sheets. The speaker is much better
but he seems more excited by the science that the consequences.

The tales of 'interception' of reports/releases from NASA via the
White House was also of interest - not surprising I'm afraid and I
suspect it goes on this side of the Atlantic too.

Well we did have a dodgey dossier, but what is coming out of the
US is much worse than that. There is another video which goes
over that:
http://www.uctv.tv/search-details.aspx?showID=13459
The speaker got her first degree from Imperial College, London, and
is well respected. The first half of her talk is just a summary
of the science, but the second half is about how the science has
been distorted.

It's all a bit depressing so I won't burden this newsgroup with any
more unless prompted.

Cheers, Alastair.



Martin.

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Martin Rowley
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Lat: 50.82N * Long: 01.88W
NGR: SU 082 023

On Aug 23, 6:44*pm, Alastair wrote:

It's all a bit depressing so I won't burden this newsgroup with any
more unless prompted.

Cheers, Alastair.

I have been prompted, by Greenpeace!

Their latest newsletter contains a link to their response to the
HardTalk interview. It is he
Greenpeace admits: BBC got it wrong about arctic sea ice melting
http://weblog.greenpeace.org/makingw..._got_it_w.html

It also has a link to an item which reinforces what I have been saying
about the oil industry.
Climate Fraud funded by Oil Industry
http://www.greenpeace.org/internatio...y-action180809

Cheers, Alastair.

snip

Their latest newsletter contains a link to their response to the
HardTalk interview. It is he
Greenpeace admits: BBC got it wrong about arctic sea ice melting
http://weblog.greenpeace.org/makingw..._got_it_w.html

.... I found follow-up comment interesting:

" Also, big business is behind the BBC, so no wonder stories are
twisted and lies told. "

.... according to the Daily Mail, the BBC is run by Polly Toynbee and
Guardian readers! The statement might have been true in 1922 mind you
.....

Martin.

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Martin Rowley
West Moors, East Dorset (UK): 17m (56ft) amsl
Lat: 50.82N Long: 01.88W
NGR: SU 082 023

On Aug 24, 10:33*am, "Martin Rowley"
wrote:
snip

Their latest newsletter contains a link to their response to the
HardTalk interview. It is he
Greenpeace admits: BBC got it wrong about arctic sea ice melting
http://weblog.greenpeace.org/makingw...08/greenpeace_...

... I found follow-up comment interesting:

" Also, big business is behind the BBC, so no wonder stories are
twisted and lies told. "

... according to the Daily Mail, the BBC is run by Polly Toynbee and
Guardian readers! The statement might have been true in 1922 mind you
....

Martin.

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Martin Rowley
West Moors, East Dorset (UK): 17m (56ft) amsl
Lat: 50.82N * Long: 01.88W
NGR: SU 082 023

The idea that Big Business runs the BBC is highly chortleworthy (a
village in Devon?). If it were so the BBC would be shut down as
undesirable competiton. Where do these people come from?
I suspect Stephen Sackur, like most journalists, is an arts
graduate and was invoking poetic licence and probably quite sincerely
does not see the error he has made, or thinks it unimportant. On the
other hand he could have been acting as a journalist and saw a story
that could be exploited.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey

On Aug 24, 2:01*pm, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Aug 24, 10:33*am, "Martin Rowley"



wrote:
snip

Their latest newsletter contains a link to their response to the
HardTalk interview. It is he
Greenpeace admits: BBC got it wrong about arctic sea ice melting
http://weblog.greenpeace.org/makingw...08/greenpeace_....

... I found follow-up comment interesting:

" Also, big business is behind the BBC, so no wonder stories are
twisted and lies told. "

... according to the Daily Mail, the BBC is run by Polly Toynbee and
Guardian readers! The statement might have been true in 1922 mind you
....

I don't think that the company executives had much say on the BBC even
in 1922 with John, later to become Lord, Reith in charge!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Re...st_Baron_Reith

* * I suspect Stephen Sackur, like most journalists, is an arts
graduate and was invoking poetic licence and probably quite sincerely
does not see the error he has made, or thinks it unimportant. *On the
other hand he could have been acting as a journalist and saw a story
that could be exploited.

Stephen Sackur studied at Emmanuel College, Cambridge and Harvard
University's John F. Kennedy School of Government.So he does not sound
like an intelligent scientist to me.

OTOH, Nature Geoscience In a recent News & Views, Figure 1:
http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v...ngeo511-f1.jpg
incorrectly shows an Antarctic iceberg rather than Arctic sea-ice as
stated in the caption.
http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v...l/ngeo561.html

Anyway it you would like something more optimistic watch this
HardTalk with |Jame Lovelock!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsa/n5ctrl/pr...lock_18aug.ram

Cheers, Alastair.

"Alastair"
I don't think that the company executives had much say on the BBC
even
in 1922 with John, later to become Lord, Reith in charge!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Re...st_Baron_Reith


.... it was a joke old son - relax.

Martin.


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