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In another thread (which got sidetracked - hence this new one),
"Stephen Burt" wrote ... Highest synop pressures I can find today [Thursday 10th] are (mbar): 1040.7 Malin Head 03980 15z - also 1040.5 14z, 18z 1040.5 Belmullet 03976 13, 14, 15z 1040.4 Connaught 03973 11z, 12z, 18z 1040.3 Claremorris 03970 11z September British Isles records still stands - just - 1041.2 mbar at Shawbury, Shropshire, 00 and 01 GMT 19 Sept 1986. .... Stephen will no doubt come in when he can, but it looks as if the September record was broken last night at Ballykelly (03908) at 11/0050Z ... however, it'll need to be 'buddy checked' and also internally checked [i.e. to see if earlier readings were 'sensible' within the overall pattern & within the station's own record: Stephen's the expert on all this so I say no more :-) ] [courtesy of OgiMet: look for the '4' groups for those that don't know the code; thus in 03908, the group 40420 indicates a mslp of 1042.0; the group immediately preceding it ('3' group) is the station level pressure.] [Ballykelly] 200909110050 AAXX 11014 03908 46960 /1604 10065 20062 30413 40420 53003 90050 333 8//99= 200909102350 AAXX 11004 03908 16960 /1105 10067 20063 30410 40417 57001 60001 92350 333 8//99= .... and to check for other stations across the north of Ireland ... [St. Angelo] 200909110155 AAXX 11024 03903 46658 /0000 10076 20069 40410 54000 90155 333 82/35= 200909110055 AAXX 11014 03903 46958 /0000 10082 20077 40410 52003 90055 333 80/99= 200909102355 AAXX 11004 03903 16956 /0000 10086 20079 40410 52003 60001 92355 333 80/99= 200909102255 AAXX 10234 03903 46960 /0000 10087 20080 40410 52005 92255 333 80/99= [Castlederg] 200909110150 AAXX 11024 03904 47656 /2302 10067 20067 30348 40410 50001 710// 90150 333 84/32= 200909110050 AAXX 11014 03904 47958 /2702 10072 20072 30349 40411 53002 710// 90050 333 8//99= [Malin Head .. midnight] 200909110000 AAXX 11001 03980 12484 32001 10100 20092 30382 40413 53002 69901 82202 333 82818 83075 92429 96122= [Lough Fea] 200909110150 AAXX 11024 03911 46575 /3201 10080 20076 30130 40410 58001 90150 333 87/28= 200909110050 AAXX 11014 03911 46578 /2901 10076 20075 30132 40412 52002 90050 333 85/28= [Ballypatrick Forest] 200909110150 AAXX 11024 03916 46363 /2102 10076 20076 30212 40408 58003 90150 333 553// 20000 81/06 83/74= 200909110050 AAXX 11014 03916 46364 /1801 10079 20079 30220 40415 53002 90050 333 553// 20000 83/06= 200909102350 AAXX 11004 03916 16362 /1902 10083 20083 30217 40412 53001 60001 92350 333 55/// 21292 82/09= Martin. -- Martin Rowley West Moors, East Dorset (UK): 17m (56ft) amsl Lat: 50.82N Long: 01.88W NGR: SU 082 023 |
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On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:37:52 +0100, Martin Rowley wrote in
... Stephen will no doubt come in when he can, but it looks as if the September record was broken last night at Ballykelly (03908) at 11/0050Z ... however, it'll need to be 'buddy checked' and also internally checked [i.e. to see if earlier readings were 'sensible' within the overall pattern & within the station's own record: Stephen's the expert on all this so I say no more :-) ] Looking at recent obs it may well be the AWS at Ballykelly is slightly over reading. Eglinton at 13.50z was 1038mb rounded, whilst Ballykelly was still 1040mb at 13z. At 14z Ballykelly was 1039 and at 14.20 Eglinton was 1038. They are less than 10 miles apart. -- Mike Tullett - Coleraine 55.13°N 6.69°W posted 9/11/2009 2:00:01 PM GMT |
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"Mike Tullett" wrote in message
... On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 11:37:52 +0100, Martin Rowley wrote in ... Stephen will no doubt come in when he can, but it looks as if the September record was broken last night at Ballykelly (03908) at 11/0050Z ... however, it'll need to be 'buddy checked' and also internally checked [i.e. to see if earlier readings were 'sensible' within the overall pattern & within the station's own record: Stephen's the expert on all this so I say no more :-) ] Looking at recent obs it may well be the AWS at Ballykelly is slightly over reading. Eglinton at 13.50z was 1038mb rounded, whilst Ballykelly was still 1040mb at 13z. At 14z Ballykelly was 1039 and at 14.20 Eglinton was 1038. They are less than 10 miles apart. .... thanks Mike. As you point out, looks a bit high. Perhaps the 'honour' will go across the border then (to Malin Head/1041.3 mbar at 00Z), but as I said, Stephen will even now be delving away with charts and tables (or something fancier) and will no doubt come up with the definitive answer :-) Martin. -- Martin Rowley West Moors, East Dorset (UK): 17m (56ft) amsl Lat: 50.82N Long: 01.88W NGR: SU 082 023 |
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On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:35:06 +0100, Martin Rowley wrote in
Looking at recent obs it may well be the AWS at Ballykelly is slightly over reading. Eglinton at 13.50z was 1038mb rounded, whilst Ballykelly was still 1040mb at 13z. At 14z Ballykelly was 1039 and at 14.20 Eglinton was 1038. They are less than 10 miles apart. ... thanks Mike. As you point out, looks a bit high. Perhaps the 'honour' will go across the border then (to Malin Head/1041.3 mbar at 00Z), but as I said, Stephen will even now be delving away with charts and tables (or something fancier) and will no doubt come up with the definitive answer :-) I wonder just how accurate the AWS system is and how often the sensors are calibrated. Eglinton is an airfield still (City of Derry Aiport) so guess pressure has to be accurate. Ballykelly, on the other hand, is the now a disused army camp (Shackleton Barracks) where my wife used to "work":-) It closed in the spring of 2008. At least if the record does go to Malin we know the figure is as accurate as can be, as it is still a manned station. Long may that continue, but with the Irish economy being in ruins that may not last long - cue JCW:-) -- Mike Tullett - Coleraine 55.13°N 6.69°W posted 9/11/2009 2:44:46 PM GMT |
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"Mike Tullett" wrote in message
... On Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:35:06 +0100, Martin Rowley wrote in At least if the record does go to Malin we know the figure is as accurate as can be, as it is still a manned station. Long may that continue, but with the Irish economy being in ruins that may not last long - cue JCW:-) The economy is in ruins? Never! It's just resting...on its laurels...! Fair point though, Mike...anything could happen now in this country! Joe P.s. Good to see you posting more... :-) __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4415 (20090910) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com |
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"Martin Rowley" wrote:
In another thread (which got sidetracked - hence this new one), "Stephen Burt" wrote ... Highest synop pressures I can find today [Thursday 10th] are (mbar): 1040.7 Malin Head 03980 15z - also 1040.5 14z, 18z 1040.5 Belmullet 03976 13, 14, 15z 1040.4 Connaught 03973 11z, 12z, 18z 1040.3 Claremorris 03970 11z September British Isles records still stands - just - 1041.2 mbar at Shawbury, Shropshire, 00 and 01 GMT 19 Sept 1986. ... Stephen will no doubt come in when he can, but it looks as if the September record was broken last night at Ballykelly (03908) at 11/0050Z ... however, it'll need to be 'buddy checked' and also internally checked [i.e. to see if earlier readings were 'sensible' within the overall pattern & within the station's own record: Stephen's the expert on all this so I say no more :-) ] [courtesy of OgiMet: look for the '4' groups for those that don't know the code; thus in 03908, the group 40420 indicates a mslp of 1042.0; the group immediately preceding it ('3' group) is the station level pressure.] There was a 1042.0 also at 00z at Tulloch Bridge (03047), though that, too, looks a little high. Altitude correction is relatively large there as well. Philip |
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Many thanks, Martin, Mike and Philip for kicking off the thread and
for the posts above. Including the comments/observations already noted, and a few of my own from an hour delving through Ogimet’s excellent SDB, here’s where I reckon we stand: Observations at or above 1041 mbar (the existing Br Isles September record is 1041.2 mbar back in 1986) ACCEPTED 1041.3 03980 Malin Head 11/00z * New British Isles September record MSLP * 1041.2 03162 Eskdalemuir 11/01z to 02z High altitude 242 m 1041.2 03911 Lough Fea (AWS) 11/01z Altitude 225 m, may be slightly high 1041.2 03105 Islay, Port Ellen (AWS) 11/01z 1041.1 03155 Drumalbin (AWS) 11/01z Altitude 245 m, may be slightly high 1041.1 03904 Castlederg 11/02z 1041.0 03903 St Angelo 10/23z to 11/02z I have REJECTED the following observations for the reasons shown: 1042.0 03047 Tulloch Bridge (AWS) 11/00z - REJECTED Agree with all above comments, looks a mite high, high altitude (237 m) MSL correction (around 23 mbar) the probable reason 1041.5 03916 Ballypatrick Forest (AWS) 11/01z - REJECTED Agree with comments above, does look a shade too high with near neighbours. Also high altitude correction (156 m) close to 15 mbar 1041.3 03225 Shap (AWS) 11/00z REJECTED Looks high with near neighbours. Again AWS at high altitude (249 m) with ~ 24 mbar correction So the September monthly record (has been beaten – but by the narrowest possible margin. It also looks as though the altitude correction on high-level AWSs may be a little over-done at high pressures. If anyone knows of any additional observations above 1041 mbar that I may have missed, or perhaps observations between reported synoptic hours, I’d be grateful for the information. I must also make a correction to my post of yesterday evening, where I stated: I am prepared to be corrected, but I'm 99% sure it's the earliest '1040' on record in the British Isles - the August record (the lowest of any month) is 1036.7 mbar, and we're only 10 days into September of course. Slap my wrists for relying on my failing memory instead of checking my events database properly. Philip pointed out to me, quite rightly, that I’d omitted an even earlier ‘1040’ just five years ago - I quote from Philip’s monthly summary for September 2004: “High pressure lay over southern Britain from the start of the month, extending to all parts of the UK from the 5th-9th and the barometer climbed to 1040.6 mbar early on the 7th at Inverbervie, Kincardineshire (a new UK record for the first half of September).” Thanks Philip – you’re right, I had forgotten that one! Thanks for setting the record straight. -- Stephen Burt Stratfield Mortimer, Berkshire |
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It will be interesting to see what the Met Office eventually come up with
too. Especially whether they reject or accept observations. Will -- |
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