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Do I detect a slight cooling in the air?

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Alan Murphy wrote:

Do I detect a slight cooling in the air?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...sep/16/global-

temperature-cooling

Cycles are easy to spot in past records - trouble is that as soon as you try
to use them for forecasting, they usually vanish. However, if one believes
in that sort of thing, a seven-to-eight-year cycle has been occurring for a
while. If that continues, in about three or four years, we should see a peak
in global temperature of more than 0.1C above that of 1998.

This cycle might coincide with a theory that I heard forty years ago. That
said that El Nino had a roughly seven-year cycle.

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On 17 Sep, 12:25, Graham P Davis wrote:
Alan Murphy wrote:
Do I detect a slight cooling in the air?


http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...sep/16/global-


temperature-cooling

Cycles are easy to spot in past records - trouble is that as soon as you try
to use them for forecasting, they usually vanish. However, if one believes
in that sort of thing, a seven-to-eight-year cycle has been occurring for a
while. If that continues, in about three or four years, we should see a peak
in global temperature of more than 0.1C above that of 1998.

This cycle might coincide with a theory that I heard forty years ago. That
said that El Nino had a roughly seven-year cycle.


The trouble with anything that hints of a cyclical nature is that
unless you completely understand the cycle you get divots sniping at
you for doing your best with what you do know.

I suppose one might say that the problem with fluid mechanics is that
nobody understands that either. So picking out cycles that fit into it
are or is next to impossible.

However god has been very kind to us and allows us to work with
generalities, for instance:

Where we can apply a section of statistical data on one phenomena
there is a chance of it occurring once again. Sort of how they finally
dropped on tornado forecasting.

You don't have to be gifted to know what local conditions tend to lead
to and you can give those ideal numbers or whatever those Bernoulie
and Reynolds things are called. Then if they also widen out usefully
you can assimilate them into other phenomena.

It's all I do after all. The trouble is that the catering is sometimes
handled by other firms and my stuff falls apart.

As for other cycles, I just got the hand grips off the bars on mine
and can now play with stem adjustments and stuff. So I am pretty
choughed out at the moment.

I don't know why I waited so long.

(Well yes I do. The things never go back the way they were once you
start messing around. Now I will miss the firm warm grips as they will
never fit so tightly when I put them back.

I suppose I will have to find the right glue.)
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On 17 Sep, 12:25, Graham P Davis wrote:
Alan Murphy wrote:
Do I detect a slight cooling in the air?


http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...sep/16/global-


temperature-cooling

Cycles are easy to spot in past records - trouble is that as soon as you
try
to use them for forecasting, they usually vanish. However, if one
believes
in that sort of thing, a seven-to-eight-year cycle has been occurring for
a
while. If that continues, in about three or four years, we should see a
peak
in global temperature of more than 0.1C above that of 1998.

This cycle might coincide with a theory that I heard forty years ago.
That
said that El Nino had a roughly seven-year cycle.


The trouble with anything that hints of a cyclical nature is that
unless you completely understand the cycle you get divots sniping at
you for doing your best with what you do know.

I suppose one might say that the problem with fluid mechanics is that
nobody understands that either. So picking out cycles that fit into it
are or is next to impossible.

However god has been very kind to us and allows us to work with
generalities, for instance:

Where we can apply a section of statistical data on one phenomena
there is a chance of it occurring once again. Sort of how they finally
dropped on tornado forecasting.

You don't have to be gifted to know what local conditions tend to lead
to and you can give those ideal numbers or whatever those Bernoulie
and Reynolds things are called. Then if they also widen out usefully
you can assimilate them into other phenomena.

It's all I do after all. The trouble is that the catering is sometimes
handled by other firms and my stuff falls apart.

As for other cycles, I just got the hand grips off the bars on mine
and can now play with stem adjustments and stuff. So I am pretty
choughed out at the moment.

I don't know why I waited so long.

(Well yes I do. The things never go back the way they were once you
start messing around. Now I will miss the firm warm grips as they will
never fit so tightly when I put them back.

I suppose I will have to find the right glue.)



Very good points WL and as if to prove nobodies point David Millband is
demanding that old bikes be recycled on a tandem basis.


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On Sep 17, 6:03*pm, "Lawrence Jenkins" wrote:
"Weatherlawyer" wrote in message

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On 17 Sep, 12:25, Graham P Davis wrote:
Alan Murphy wrote:
Do I detect a slight cooling in the air?


http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...sep/16/global-


temperature-cooling


Cycles are easy to spot in past records - trouble is that as soon as you
try
to use them for forecasting, they usually vanish. However, if one
believes
in that sort of thing, a seven-to-eight-year cycle has been occurring for
a
while. If that continues, in about three or four years, we should see a
peak
in global temperature of more than 0.1C above that of 1998.


This cycle might coincide with a theory that I heard forty years ago.
That
said that El Nino had a roughly seven-year cycle.


The trouble with anything that hints of a cyclical nature is that
unless you completely understand the cycle you get divots sniping at
you for doing your best with what you do know.


I suppose one might say that the problem with fluid mechanics is that
nobody understands that either. So picking out cycles that fit into it
are or is next to impossible.


However god has been very kind to us and allows us to work with
generalities, for instance:


Where we can apply a section of statistical data on one phenomena
there is a chance of it occurring once again. Sort of how they finally
dropped on tornado forecasting.


You don't have to be gifted to know what local conditions tend to lead
to and you can give those ideal numbers or whatever those Bernoulie
and Reynolds things are called. Then if they also widen out usefully
you can assimilate them into other phenomena.


It's all I do after all. The trouble is that the catering is sometimes
handled by other firms and my stuff falls apart.


As for other cycles, I just got the hand grips off the bars on mine
and can now play with stem adjustments and stuff. So I am pretty
choughed out at the moment.


I don't know why I waited so long.


(Well yes I do. The things never go back the way they were once you
start messing around. Now I will miss the firm warm grips as they will
never fit so tightly when I put them back.


I suppose I will have to find the right glue.)


As if to prove nobody's point, David Millband is
demanding that old bikes be recycled on a tandem basis.


Remind me, which one is he?

I just put a longer stem under the handlebars. I am amazed at the
comfort I have now and the ability to more than the dog turds on my
front wheel.

I might even invest in a mudguard so I don't have to look at it all
that often.

Feels powerful
I can see over hedges now and look lorry drivers in the eye as I cut
them up.
/Feels powerful



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