I don't know which weather models you are looking at?
I personally have been using those at FNMOC.navy a lot the last
12-13 years. I have found the best model there.

Suddenly from Wedensday onwards -was it?, they have launched a
new interface for their models.
Europe have now got now 2 interfaces, the new one with better
resolution.
The thing is - the new one DOESN'T show Scandinavia! -
now have we seen that before ;-)
AND, the old one is the ONLY one of all their 20 areas
around the globe that has NOT been updated at all the
last week!!
And this right when we got this very cold weather with
snow down to 500 m here now.
Where is my model when I NEED it!?

So can you tell me - is NOGAPS, GFS available elsewhere
WITH Scandinavia?
And are those people at FNMOC aware of that Scandinavia on
the Europe2 interface is down and gone?!
Other models to recommend instead?

Theyr.com have alse been partly unavailable from same date, btw.

Very frustrated
Bjørn Sørheim,
in Norway

"Bjørn Sørheim" wrote in message
...
I don't know which weather models you are looking at?
I personally have been using those at FNMOC.navy a lot the last
12-13 years. I have found the best model there.

Suddenly from Wedensday onwards -was it?, they have launched a
new interface for their models.
Europe have now got now 2 interfaces, the new one with better
resolution.
The thing is - the new one DOESN'T show Scandinavia! -
now have we seen that before ;-)
AND, the old one is the ONLY one of all their 20 areas
around the globe that has NOT been updated at all the
last week!!
And this right when we got this very cold weather with
snow down to 500 m here now.
Where is my model when I NEED it!?

So can you tell me - is NOGAPS, GFS available elsewhere
WITH Scandinavia?

http://www.ogimet.com/tabla_pred.phtml?lang=en (Northern Europe)
or http://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten/fsavneur.html
should be of some use for your area in terms of the GFS

In terms of performance, ECMWF and the Met Office Global Model (GM)
routinely outperform the GFS.
There's more links here http://www.metbrief.com/charts.html

Jon.

Bjxrn Sxrheim wrote:

I don't know which weather models you are looking at?
I personally have been using those at FNMOC.navy a lot the last
12-13 years. I have found the best model there.

Suddenly from Wedensday onwards -was it?, they have launched a
new interface for their models.
Europe have now got now 2 interfaces, the new one with better
resolution.
The thing is - the new one DOESN'T show Scandinavia! -
now have we seen that before ;-)
AND, the old one is the ONLY one of all their 20 areas
around the globe that has NOT been updated at all the
last week!!
And this right when we got this very cold weather with
snow down to 500 m here now.
Where is my model when I NEED it!?

So can you tell me - is NOGAPS, GFS available elsewhere
WITH Scandinavia?
And are those people at FNMOC aware of that Scandinavia on
the Europe2 interface is down and gone?!
Other models to recommend instead?

Theyr.com have alse been partly unavailable from same date, btw.

Very frustrated
Bjxrn Sxrheim,
in Norway


NW Extra (small annual subscription required) at www.netweather.tv gives very
comprehensive surface and upper air predictions from a range of models. The
charts include Scandinavia. It's the most complete array of model data that
I've seen anywhere on the net.

Norman

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"Bjørn Sørheim" wrote in message
...
I don't know which weather models you are looking at?
I personally have been using those at FNMOC.navy a lot the last
12-13 years. I have found the best model there.

Suddenly from Wedensday onwards -was it?, they have launched a
new interface for their models.
Europe have now got now 2 interfaces, the new one with better
resolution.
The thing is - the new one DOESN'T show Scandinavia! -
now have we seen that before ;-)
AND, the old one is the ONLY one of all their 20 areas
around the globe that has NOT been updated at all the
last week!!
And this right when we got this very cold weather with
snow down to 500 m here now.
Where is my model when I NEED it!?

So can you tell me - is NOGAPS, GFS available elsewhere
WITH Scandinavia?

http://www.ogimet.com/tabla_pred.phtml?lang=en (Northern Europe)
or http://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten/fsavneur.html
should be of some use for your area in terms of the GFS

In terms of performance, ECMWF and the Met Office Global Model (GM)
routinely outperform the GFS.
There's more links here http://www.metbrief.com/charts.html

Jon.

Thanks, that is to some help. Unfortunately no NOGAPS interface
there. NOGAPS is the one I'm using mostly.

If it is FNMOCs intention to leave out Scandinavia and northernmost
Antlantic for good, I don't think they know what they are doing!

As we know that's where we have the Polar front and the most
turbulent, difficult and unpredictable weather in fairly populated areas
on the planet. The most natural and necessary place to have a
working weather model!
The DAM lines is a feature that is more than useful in northern
areas. The 528 dam line tells where snow might be expected.
The dam lines coupled with isobars and precipitation gives a
very easy overview how the weather is and looks to be.
Ufortunately I found no maps showing this like the graphics
that is down by the links you sent me.
I will keep looking, and crossing my fingers for FNMOC
Europe 2 to return.

Bjørn Sørheim

On Sep 28, 4:42*pm, "Bjørn Sørheim"
wrote:
"Jon O'Rourke" skrev i ...





"Bjørn Sørheim" wrote in message
...
I don't know which weather models you are looking at?
I personally have been using those at FNMOC.navy a lot the last
12-13 years. I have found the best model there.

Suddenly from Wedensday onwards -was it?, they have launched a
new interface for their models.
Europe have now got now 2 interfaces, the new one with better
resolution.
The thing is - the new one DOESN'T show Scandinavia! -
now have we seen that before *;-)
AND, the old one is the ONLY one of all their 20 areas
around the globe that has NOT been updated at all the
last week!!
And this right when we got this very cold weather with
snow down to 500 m here now.
Where is my model when I NEED it!?

So can you tell me - is NOGAPS, GFS available elsewhere
WITH Scandinavia?

http://www.ogimet.com/tabla_pred.phtml?lang=en(Northern Europe)
orhttp://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten/fsavneur.html
should be of some use for your area in terms of the GFS

In terms of performance, ECMWF and the Met Office Global Model (GM)
routinely outperform the GFS.
There's more links herehttp://www.metbrief.com/charts.html

Jon.

Thanks, that is to some help. Unfortunately no NOGAPS interface
there. NOGAPS is the one I'm using mostly.

If it is FNMOCs intention to leave out Scandinavia and northernmost
Antlantic for good, I don't think they know what they are doing!

As we know that's where we have the Polar front and the most
turbulent, difficult *and unpredictable weather in fairly populated areas
on the planet. The most natural and necessary place to have a
working weather model!
The DAM lines is a feature that is more than useful in northern
areas. The 528 dam line tells where snow might be expected.
The dam lines coupled with isobars and precipitation gives a
very easy overview how the weather is and looks to be.
Ufortunately I found no maps showing this like the graphics
that is down by the links you sent me.
I will keep looking, and crossing my fingers for FNMOC
Europe 2 to return.

Bjørn Sørheim- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I use Wetterzentrale Bjorn. All the major models are there, including
NOGAPS and Scandinavia appears to be where it should be!

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten/fsngpeur.html

"Dawlish" skrev i melding
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On Sep 28, 4:42 pm, "Bjørn Sørheim"
wrote:
"Jon O'Rourke" skrev i
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"Bjørn Sørheim" wrote in message
...
I don't know which weather models you are looking at?
I personally have been using those at FNMOC.navy a lot the last
12-13 years. I have found the best model there.

Suddenly from Wedensday onwards -was it?, they have launched a
new interface for their models.
Europe have now got now 2 interfaces, the new one with better
resolution.
The thing is - the new one DOESN'T show Scandinavia! -
now have we seen that before ;-)
AND, the old one is the ONLY one of all their 20 areas
around the globe that has NOT been updated at all the
last week!!
And this right when we got this very cold weather with
snow down to 500 m here now.
Where is my model when I NEED it!?

So can you tell me - is NOGAPS, GFS available elsewhere
WITH Scandinavia?

http://www.ogimet.com/tabla_pred.phtml?lang=en(Northern Europe)
orhttp://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten/fsavneur.html
should be of some use for your area in terms of the GFS

In terms of performance, ECMWF and the Met Office Global Model (GM)
routinely outperform the GFS.
There's more links herehttp://www.metbrief.com/charts.html

Jon.

Thanks, that is to some help. Unfortunately no NOGAPS interface
there. NOGAPS is the one I'm using mostly.

If it is FNMOCs intention to leave out Scandinavia and northernmost
Antlantic for good, I don't think they know what they are doing!

As we know that's where we have the Polar front and the most
turbulent, difficult and unpredictable weather in fairly populated areas
on the planet. The most natural and necessary place to have a
working weather model!
The DAM lines is a feature that is more than useful in northern
areas. The 528 dam line tells where snow might be expected.
The dam lines coupled with isobars and precipitation gives a
very easy overview how the weather is and looks to be.
Ufortunately I found no maps showing this like the graphics
that is down by the links you sent me.
I will keep looking, and crossing my fingers for FNMOC
Europe 2 to return.

Bjørn Sørheim- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I use Wetterzentrale Bjorn. All the major models are there, including
NOGAPS and Scandinavia appears to be where it should be!

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten/fsngpeur.html

-----------

Wetterzentrale is not showing the original graphics from FNMOC.
The option: Precipitation + seal level pressure (+DAM lines) is not there.
It was left out several years ago.
This is the view I have been using, and I'm not a professional meteorologist
and can't deciffer some of the other options there.

Might I use this occassion to ask if there is a weather model with a
ortographic
or stereographic projection of the north polar areas (possibly also
Antarctic)?!

This kind of view make tremendous sense to me ( and others I would think)
as it makes it complete clear what the polar front and the polar air masses
are up to at any give time. Been a long time since I stumbled across such
a model presentation. Missed for a long time.

Bjørn Sørheim

"Bjørn Sørheim" skrev i melding
...

"Dawlish" skrev i melding
...
On Sep 28, 4:42 pm, "Bjørn Sørheim"
wrote:
"Jon O'Rourke" skrev i
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"Bjørn Sørheim" wrote in message
...
I don't know which weather models you are looking at?
I personally have been using those at FNMOC.navy a lot the last
12-13 years. I have found the best model there.

Suddenly from Wedensday onwards -was it?, they have launched a
new interface for their models.
Europe have now got now 2 interfaces, the new one with better
resolution.
The thing is - the new one DOESN'T show Scandinavia! -
now have we seen that before ;-)
AND, the old one is the ONLY one of all their 20 areas
around the globe that has NOT been updated at all the
last week!!
And this right when we got this very cold weather with
snow down to 500 m here now.
Where is my model when I NEED it!?

So can you tell me - is NOGAPS, GFS available elsewhere
WITH Scandinavia?

http://www.ogimet.com/tabla_pred.phtml?lang=en(Northern Europe)
orhttp://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten/fsavneur.html
should be of some use for your area in terms of the GFS

In terms of performance, ECMWF and the Met Office Global Model (GM)
routinely outperform the GFS.
There's more links herehttp://www.metbrief.com/charts.html

Jon.

Thanks, that is to some help. Unfortunately no NOGAPS interface
there. NOGAPS is the one I'm using mostly.

If it is FNMOCs intention to leave out Scandinavia and northernmost
Antlantic for good, I don't think they know what they are doing!

As we know that's where we have the Polar front and the most
turbulent, difficult and unpredictable weather in fairly populated areas
on the planet. The most natural and necessary place to have a
working weather model!
The DAM lines is a feature that is more than useful in northern
areas. The 528 dam line tells where snow might be expected.
The dam lines coupled with isobars and precipitation gives a
very easy overview how the weather is and looks to be.
Ufortunately I found no maps showing this like the graphics
that is down by the links you sent me.
I will keep looking, and crossing my fingers for FNMOC
Europe 2 to return.

Bjørn Sørheim- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I use Wetterzentrale Bjorn. All the major models are there, including
NOGAPS and Scandinavia appears to be where it should be!

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten/fsngpeur.html

-----------

Wetterzentrale is not showing the original graphics from FNMOC.
The option: Precipitation + seal level pressure (+DAM lines) is not there.
It was left out several years ago.
This is the view I have been using, and I'm not a professional
meteorologist
and can't deciffer some of the other options there.

Might I use this occassion to ask if there is a weather model with a
ortographic
or stereographic projection of the north polar areas (possibly also
Antarctic)?!

This kind of view make tremendous sense to me ( and others I would think)
as it makes it complete clear what the polar front and the polar air
masses
are up to at any give time. Been a long time since I stumbled across such
a model presentation. Missed for a long time.

Bjørn Sørheim


Mighty strange things seems as by magic to be happening at FNMOC this very
afternoon as we now speak/write....
Suddenly the Europe2 views have become active with current model runs!!.....
But up to 102 hours its view is a (new) world wide view, from 108 hours
it's the correct Europa2 view.
Is this called experimenting or maybe Beta testing...?
Slight improvement, but we are not there yet.
Still crossing my fingers.

Bjørn Sørheim

"Bjørn Sørheim" wrote ...

The thing is - the new one DOESN'T show Scandinavia! -
now have we seen that before ;-)

So can you tell me - is NOGAPS, GFS available elsewhere
WITH Scandinavia?

.... is this any good?

http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/~swadley/...tl_ps_net.html

The US Navy seem to be going through a phase of hiding a lot of useful
stuff behind 'privileged access, e.g. the basic observations database.

Martin.


--
Martin Rowley
West Moors, East Dorset (UK): 17m (56ft) amsl
Lat: 50.82N Long: 01.88W
NGR: SU 082 023

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"Bjørn Sørheim" wrote ...

The thing is - the new one DOESN'T show Scandinavia! -
now have we seen that before ;-)

So can you tell me - is NOGAPS, GFS available elsewhere
WITH Scandinavia?

... is this any good?

http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/~swadley/...tl_ps_net.html

The US Navy seem to be going through a phase of hiding a lot of useful
stuff behind 'privileged access, e.g. the basic observations database.

Martin.

Martin Rowley


That one is really quite useful, thanks!

Link about snow in Norway currently. Oppdal is 500 m a.s.l. :
http://www.adressa.no/vaeret/article1391126.ece, use translate.google.com
to see it in english.
In North Norway the snow is down to sea level now. Try nrk.no.
Will continue for several days. This is a quite unusual early snow...

Bjørn Sørheim

Good site that Norman , didnt have to pay anything though ....


RonB
"Norman" wrote in message
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Bjxrn Sxrheim wrote:

I don't know which weather models you are looking at?
I personally have been using those at FNMOC.navy a lot the last
12-13 years. I have found the best model there.

Suddenly from Wedensday onwards -was it?, they have launched a
new interface for their models.
Europe have now got now 2 interfaces, the new one with better
resolution.
The thing is - the new one DOESN'T show Scandinavia! -
now have we seen that before ;-)
AND, the old one is the ONLY one of all their 20 areas
around the globe that has NOT been updated at all the
last week!!
And this right when we got this very cold weather with
snow down to 500 m here now.
Where is my model when I NEED it!?

So can you tell me - is NOGAPS, GFS available elsewhere
WITH Scandinavia?
And are those people at FNMOC aware of that Scandinavia on
the Europe2 interface is down and gone?!
Other models to recommend instead?

Theyr.com have alse been partly unavailable from same date, btw.

Very frustrated
Bjxrn Sxrheim,
in Norway


NW Extra (small annual subscription required) at www.netweather.tv gives
very
comprehensive surface and upper air predictions from a range of models.
The
charts include Scandinavia. It's the most complete array of model data
that
I've seen anywhere on the net.

Norman