Windy last night, with gusts widely to 40mph in the far SW. Also mild,
with a minimum of11.8C.

14.2mm of rain overnight, but it cleared eastwards around 08:00 with
the cloud already starting to break. The overnight force 5-6 SE has
now become a Force 2-3 S just behind the front.

I see there's a heavy rain weather warning for Cornwall & the Isles of
Scilly from 10:00-15:00. It's been & gone here, and will have cleared
most of Cornwall by 10:00. Heavy rain here was 04:00-07:00.

The warning was issued at 08:00 - shouldn't it be issue before rather
than after the event?

Graham
Penzance

"Graham Easterling" wrote in message
...
Heavy rain here was 04:00-07:00.

The warning was issued at 08:00 - shouldn't it be issued before rather
than after the event?

Graham
Penzance

Graham

But that would require some forecasting capability.
:-)
Roger

Graham Easterling wrote:
Windy last night, with gusts widely to 40mph in the far SW. Also mild,
with a minimum of11.8C.

14.2mm of rain overnight, but it cleared eastwards around 08:00 with
the cloud already starting to break. The overnight force 5-6 SE has
now become a Force 2-3 S just behind the front.

I see there's a heavy rain weather warning for Cornwall & the Isles of
Scilly from 10:00-15:00. It's been & gone here, and will have cleared
most of Cornwall by 10:00. Heavy rain here was 04:00-07:00.

The warning was issued at 08:00 - shouldn't it be issue before rather
than after the event?

Graham
Penzance

Flooding in this part of Cornwall, a combination of high tide and drains
blocked by fallen leaves. Whatever caused it, the result was chaos on the
local roads as many drivers tried to find an alternative route.
http://www.falmouthpacket.co.uk/news...st_Co rnwall/
--
MCC
20/10/2009 10:14:41

On Oct 20, 9:08*am, Graham Easterling
wrote:
Windy last night, with gusts widely to 40mph in the far SW. Also mild,
with a minimum of11.8C.

14.2mm of rain overnight, but it cleared eastwards around 08:00 with
the cloud already starting to break. The overnight force 5-6 SE has
now become a Force 2-3 S just behind the front.

I see there's a heavy rain weather warning for Cornwall & the Isles of
Scilly from 10:00-15:00. It's been & gone here, and will have cleared
most of Cornwall by 10:00. *Heavy rain here was 04:00-07:00.

The warning was issued at 08:00 - shouldn't it be issue before rather
than after the event?

Graham
Penzance

Serious heavy rain here in Plymouth region at the moment 10.15,
Graham.
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/radar/
Was it a regional forecast?

On Oct 20, 9:08*am, Graham Easterling
wrote:
Windy last night, with gusts widely to 40mph in the far SW. Also mild,
with a minimum of11.8C.

14.2mm of rain overnight, but it cleared eastwards around 08:00 with
the cloud already starting to break. The overnight force 5-6 SE has
now become a Force 2-3 S just behind the front.

I see there's a heavy rain weather warning for Cornwall & the Isles of
Scilly from 10:00-15:00. It's been & gone here, and will have cleared
most of Cornwall by 10:00. *Heavy rain here was 04:00-07:00.

The warning was issued at 08:00 - shouldn't it be issue before rather
than after the event?

Graham
Penzance

There's one problem of the warnings site. It's a long way from the tip
of Cornwall to the Tamar, then again to the Devon-Somerset/Dorset
border and the broad brush approach of those large area warnings just
can't cope. Eastern Cornwall has that heavy rain now (10.15) and so
the warnings site has a spatially technically correct warning for the
whole of Cornwall, but, as you say, it is past and gone in the far
west. Whether the final rainfall amounts will justify a warning can be
judged after this trough has passed.

The weather radar does suggest bursts of very heavy rain, but that is
only along a very narrow frontal band. It could get interesting here
for a short while, as the wind is presently force 5/6 and there could
be gale-force gusts in that narrow belt of steep uplift. Trees are
still in leaf. We'll soon see!

On 20 Oct, 10:21, Len Wood wrote:
On Oct 20, 9:08*am, Graham Easterling
wrote:





Windy last night, with gusts widely to 40mph in the far SW. Also mild,
with a minimum of11.8C.

14.2mm of rain overnight, but it cleared eastwards around 08:00 with
the cloud already starting to break. The overnight force 5-6 SE has
now become a Force 2-3 S just behind the front.

I see there's a heavy rain weather warning for Cornwall & the Isles of
Scilly from 10:00-15:00. It's been & gone here, and will have cleared
most of Cornwall by 10:00. *Heavy rain here was 04:00-07:00.

The warning was issued at 08:00 - shouldn't it be issue before rather
than after the event?

Graham
Penzance

Serious heavy rain here in Plymouth region at the moment 10.15,
Graham.http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/radar/
Was it a regional forecast?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes I know, the thing is the warning is fine for Devon, but for
Cornwall was affected from the early hours until 07:00 in the far west
to 10:30 (in the far east). So giving a warning from 10:00 was
incorrect. I've just returned from Mousehole, in sunshine. to speak to
my visitors who had just changed their plans for a walk, due to the
forecast. They've now set off in sunshine.

As MCC says, there was flooding in west Cornwall - well before the
period covered by the warning. In Penzance, along the prom due to the
sea overtopping (spring tide, low pressure, rough sea). I didn't see
any warning for coastal flooding.

Graham
Penzance

On 20 Oct, 10:14, MCC wrote:
Graham Easterling wrote:
Windy last night, with gusts widely to 40mph in the far SW. Also mild,
with a minimum of11.8C.

14.2mm of rain overnight, but it cleared eastwards around 08:00 with
the cloud already starting to break. The overnight force 5-6 SE has
now become a Force 2-3 S just behind the front.

I see there's a heavy rain weather warning for Cornwall & the Isles of
Scilly from 10:00-15:00. It's been & gone here, and will have cleared
most of Cornwall by 10:00. *Heavy rain here was 04:00-07:00.

The warning was issued at 08:00 - shouldn't it be issue before rather
than after the event?

Graham
Penzance

Flooding in this part of Cornwall, a combination of high tide and drains
blocked by fallen leaves. Whatever caused it, the result was chaos on the
local roads as many drivers tried to find an alternative route.http://www..falmouthpacket.co.uk/new..._rain_causes_f...
--
MCC
20/10/2009 10:14:41- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, I rather suspect the events triggered the warning, OK for Devon
I suppose!

Still, now we have it warning the weather's rather nice
www.nci-stives.org/basiccamera.htm

Graham

On 20 Oct, 10:14, MCC wrote:
Graham Easterling wrote:
Windy last night, with gusts widely to 40mph in the far SW. Also mild,
with a minimum of11.8C.

14.2mm of rain overnight, but it cleared eastwards around 08:00 with
the cloud already starting to break. The overnight force 5-6 SE has
now become a Force 2-3 S just behind the front.

I see there's a heavy rain weather warning for Cornwall & the Isles of
Scilly from 10:00-15:00. It's been & gone here, and will have cleared
most of Cornwall by 10:00. *Heavy rain here was 04:00-07:00.

The warning was issued at 08:00 - shouldn't it be issue before rather
than after the event?

Graham
Penzance

Flooding in this part of Cornwall, a combination of high tide and drains
blocked by fallen leaves. Whatever caused it, the result was chaos on the
local roads as many drivers tried to find an alternative route.http://www..falmouthpacket.co.uk/new..._rain_causes_f...
--
MCC
20/10/2009 10:14:41- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I've just read the full article. I think the delays to the train
service in/out of Penzance were probably due to the sea overtopping,
rather than the rainfall. It was a big spring tide this morning
around 06:00, and there was no particularly intense rain here.

It's amazing how quickly everything has calmed down, showing that
although the sea was rough, there was little real swell
www.chapelidne.com/php/surf_report.php (only 6' currently at
Sevenstones - though forecast to increase)

Graham

On Oct 20, 11:08*am, Graham Easterling
wrote:
On 20 Oct, 10:21, Len Wood wrote:





On Oct 20, 9:08*am, Graham Easterling
wrote:

Windy last night, with gusts widely to 40mph in the far SW. Also mild,
with a minimum of11.8C.

14.2mm of rain overnight, but it cleared eastwards around 08:00 with
the cloud already starting to break. The overnight force 5-6 SE has
now become a Force 2-3 S just behind the front.

I see there's a heavy rain weather warning for Cornwall & the Isles of
Scilly from 10:00-15:00. It's been & gone here, and will have cleared
most of Cornwall by 10:00. *Heavy rain here was 04:00-07:00.

The warning was issued at 08:00 - shouldn't it be issue before rather
than after the event?

Graham
Penzance

Serious heavy rain here in Plymouth region at the moment 10.15,
Graham.http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/radar/
Was it a regional forecast?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes I know, the thing is the warning is fine for Devon, but for
Cornwall was affected from the early hours until 07:00 in the far west
to 10:30 (in the far east). So giving a warning from 10:00 was
incorrect. I've just returned from Mousehole, in sunshine. to speak to
my visitors who had just changed their plans for a walk, due to the
forecast. They've now set off in sunshine.

As MCC says, there was flooding in west Cornwall - well before the
period covered by the warning. In Penzance, along the prom due to the
sea overtopping (spring tide, low pressure, rough sea). I didn't see
any warning for coastal flooding.

Graham
Penzance- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It does seem very silly being as the warning was issued at 0800.
I never understand why they don't look at the radar rainfall to give a
better indication of timing for frontal rain.
We are after all talking about nowcasting in such circumstances.
Only rained for about an hour and a half here in Wembury SW Devon.
No sun yet though.

Len


Len

On Oct 20, 11:55*am, Len Wood wrote:
On Oct 20, 11:08*am, Graham Easterling
wrote:





On 20 Oct, 10:21, Len Wood wrote:

On Oct 20, 9:08*am, Graham Easterling
wrote:

Windy last night, with gusts widely to 40mph in the far SW. Also mild,
with a minimum of11.8C.

14.2mm of rain overnight, but it cleared eastwards around 08:00 with
the cloud already starting to break. The overnight force 5-6 SE has
now become a Force 2-3 S just behind the front.

I see there's a heavy rain weather warning for Cornwall & the Isles of
Scilly from 10:00-15:00. It's been & gone here, and will have cleared
most of Cornwall by 10:00. *Heavy rain here was 04:00-07:00.

The warning was issued at 08:00 - shouldn't it be issue before rather
than after the event?

Graham
Penzance

Serious heavy rain here in Plymouth region at the moment 10.15,
Graham.http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/radar/
Was it a regional forecast?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes I know, the thing is the warning is fine for Devon, but for
Cornwall was affected from the early hours until 07:00 in the far west
to 10:30 (in the far east). So giving a warning from 10:00 was
incorrect. I've just returned from Mousehole, in sunshine. to speak to
my visitors who had just changed their plans for a walk, due to the
forecast. They've now set off in sunshine.

As MCC says, there was flooding in west Cornwall - well before the
period covered by the warning. In Penzance, along the prom due to the
sea overtopping (spring tide, low pressure, rough sea). I didn't see
any warning for coastal flooding.

Graham
Penzance- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

It does seem very silly being as the warning was issued at 0800.
I never understand why they don't look at the radar rainfall to give a
better indication of timing for frontal rain.
We are after all talking about nowcasting in such circumstances.


Len

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Nope that beats me too Len. I don't understand why the site directs
one to the Environment Agency and the Highways agency but not to the
rainfall radar, when the information you really need is when is it
going to rain and how heavy is it likely to be? The only place to find
that information is on the rainfall radar (OK, should be called the
precipitation radar, but that's a different matter!). It's an obvious
link and would be educational as well as informative as a nowcast.
Next freebie on the site should be nowcast radar, of course, as the
present radar is at least half-an-hour out of date. Easily done, not
expensive for the MetO and there would be a real opportunity for
involving the public more in the difficulties, but also the excitement
of forecasting.