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I'm indebted to Prof Tom Choularton for this update.
An update of the physical science part of the IPCC report has been prepared, lead authors The Copenhagen Diagnosis, 2009: Updating the world on the Latest Climate Science. I. Allison, N. L. Bindoff, R.A. Bindoff, R.A. Bindschadler, P.M. Cox, N. de Noblet, M.H. England, J.E. Francis, N. Gruber, A.M. Haywood, D.J. Karoly, G. Kaser, C. Le Quéré, T.M. Lenton, M.E. Mann, B.I. McNeil, A.J. Pitman, S. Rahmstorf, E. Rignot, H.J. Schellnhuber, S.H. Schneider, S.C. Sherwood, R.C.J. Somerville, K.Steffen, E.J. Steig, M. Visbeck, A.J. Weaver. The University of New South Wales Climate Change Research Centre (CCRC), Sydney, Australia, http://www.copenhagendiagnosis.com/d...d/default.html Giving an update on the science showing where the science really stands now The most significant recent climate change findings a Surging greenhouse gas emissions: Global carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuels in 2008 were nearly 40% higher than those in 1990. Even if global emission rates are stabilized at present –day levels, just 20 more years of emissions would give a 25% probability that warming exceeds 2ºC. Even with zero emissions after 2030. Every year of delayed action increase the chances of exceeding 2ºC warming. Recent global temperatures demonstrate human-based warming: Over the past 25 years temperatures have increased at a rate of 0.19ºC per decade, in every good agreement with predictions based on greenhouse gas increases. Even over the past ten years, despite a decrease in solar forcing, the trend continues to be one of warming. Natural, short- term fluctuations are occurring as usual but there have been no significant changes in the underlying warming trend. Acceleration of melting of ice-sheets, glaciers and ice-caps: A wide array of satellite and ice measurements now demonstrate beyond doubt that both the Greenland and Antarctic ice- sheets are losing mass at an increasing rate. Melting of glaciers and ice-caps in other parts of the world has also accelerated since 1990. Rapid Arctic sea-ice decline: Summer-time melting of Arctic sea-ice has accelerated far beyond the expectations of climate models. This area of sea-ice melt during 2007-2009 was about 40% greater than the average prediction from IPCC AR4 climate models. Current sea-level rise underestimates: Satellites show great global average sea-level rise (3.4 mm/yr over the past 15 years) to be 80% above past IPCC predictions. This acceleration in sea-level rise is consistent with a doubling in contribution from melting of glaciers, ice caps and the Greenland and West-Antarctic ice- sheets. Sea-level prediction revised: By 2100, global sea-level is likely to rise at least twice as much as projected by Working Group 1 of the IPCC AR4, for unmitigated emissions it may well exceed 1 meter. The upper limit has been estimated as – 2 meters sea- level rise by 2100. Sea-level will continue to rise for centuries after global temperature have been stabilized and several meters of sea level rise must be expected over the next few centuries. Delay in action risks irreversible damage: Several vulnerable elements in the climate system (e.g. continental icesheets. Amazon rainforest, West African monsoon and others) could be pushed towards abrupt or irreversible change if warming continues in a business-as-usual way throughout this century. The risk of transgressing critical thresholds (“tipping points”) increase strongly with ongoing climate change. Thus waiting for higher levels of scientific certainty could mean that some tipping points will be crossed before they are recognized. The turning point must come soon: If global warming is to be limited to a maximum of 2ºC above pre-industrial values, global emissions need to peak between 2015 and 2020 and then decline rapidly. To stabilize climate, a decarbonized global society – with near-zero emissions of CO2 and other long-lived greenhouse gases – need to be reached well within this century. More specifically, the average annual per-capita emissions will have to shrink to well under 1 metric ton CO2 by 2050. This is 80-95% below the per-capita emissions in developed nations in 2000. That's what the climate scientists think and I am minded to believe what they say, as the outcomes are showing continued warming and the effects of that warming are already becoming clear. Do we just ignore this, feeling that it won't happen, or do we encourage the world leaders at Copenhagan to follow the science and really begin to take the difficult decisions that will allow our great-grandchildren to live in a warmer climate (almost certainly that will happen), but hopefully a climate which will actually allow them to live because of the decisions and sacrifices we begin to make now. It really is up to us. |
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![]() "Dawlish" wrote in message ... On Nov 28, 7:32 pm, Brian Wakem wrote: Dawlish wrote: A wide array of satellite and ice measurements now demonstrate beyond doubt that both the Greenland and Antarctic ice- sheets are losing mass at an increasing rate. Doran et al. (2002)[13][14] find that "Although previous reports suggest slight recent continental warming our spatial analysis of Antarctic meteorological data demonstrates a net cooling on the Antarctic continent between 1966 and 2000, particularly during summer and autumn. The McMurdo Dry Valleys have cooled by 0.7 C per decade between 1986 and 2000, with similar pronounced seasonal trends... Continental Antarctic cooling, especially the seasonality of cooling, poses challenges to models of climate and ecosystem change". http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/i...timeseries.png Rapid Arctic sea-ice decline: Summer-time melting of Arctic sea-ice has accelerated far beyond the expectations of climate models. This area of sea-ice melt during 2007-2009 was about 40% greater than the average prediction from IPCC AR4 climate models. This makes no sense as there was more ice in 2008 and 2009 than 2007. Current sea-level rise underestimates: Stop there. Almost all evidence relating to sea level show no significant rises at all in the last several decades. Even those on your own side have been shown to be telling fibs: "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." AGW is unraveling quickly. The evidence for climate change is pitiful when compared with the evidence for the 'theory' of evolution. Yet a climate change denier is hounded and outcast, while a denier of evolution is allowed to believe what ever they want. Religion poses are far greater risk to life than climate change ever could. Your time would be better spent ridding the world of religion than CO2. -- Brian Wakem Brian, these were not Internet bloggers that produced this summary and it certainly wasn't me. They were world respected climate scientists producing as true a picture as possible of the current situation. What fundamentalists and religious nucases have to do with this is beyond me and I've spent some difficult moments in education fighting against them, on the side of real science and commonsense. Which is exactly what I am doing here. You can catch Tom Choularton over at TWO http://theweatheroutlook.com/twocommunity/forums/6.aspx |
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Lawrence Jenkins writes: "Dawlish" wrote in message ... On Nov 28, 7:32 pm, Brian Wakem wrote: Dawlish wrote: A wide array of satellite and ice measurements now demonstrate beyond doubt that both the Greenland and Antarctic ice- sheets are losing mass at an increasing rate. Doran et al. (2002)[13][14] find that "Although previous reports suggest slight recent continental warming our spatial analysis of Antarctic meteorological data demonstrates a net cooling on the Antarctic continent between 1966 and 2000, particularly during summer and autumn. The McMurdo Dry Valleys have cooled by 0.7 C per decade between 1986 and 2000, with similar pronounced seasonal trends... Continental Antarctic cooling, especially the seasonality of cooling, poses challenges to models of climate and ecosystem change". http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/i...timeseries.png Rapid Arctic sea-ice decline: Summer-time melting of Arctic sea-ice has accelerated far beyond the expectations of climate models. This area of sea-ice melt during 2007-2009 was about 40% greater than the average prediction from IPCC AR4 climate models. This makes no sense as there was more ice in 2008 and 2009 than 2007. Current sea-level rise underestimates: Stop there. Almost all evidence relating to sea level show no significant rises at all in the last several decades. Even those on your own side have been shown to be telling fibs: "I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline." AGW is unraveling quickly. The evidence for climate change is pitiful when compared with the evidence for the 'theory' of evolution. Yet a climate change denier is hounded and outcast, while a denier of evolution is allowed to believe what ever they want. Religion poses are far greater risk to life than climate change ever could. Your time would be better spent ridding the world of religion than CO2. -- Brian Wakem Brian, these were not Internet bloggers that produced this summary and it certainly wasn't me. They were world respected climate scientists producing as true a picture as possible of the current situation. What fundamentalists and religious nucases have to do with this is beyond me and I've spent some difficult moments in education fighting against them, on the side of real science and commonsense. Which is exactly what I am doing here. Brian's on your side! It was Dawlish who was taking issue with his sources, and thus by inference with you. However the chevrons have got screwed up, no doubt because someone along the way posted through Google Groups. -- John Hall "[It was] so steep that at intervals the street broke into steps, like a person breaking into giggles or hiccups, and then resumed its sober climb, until it had another fit of steps." Ursula K Le Guin "The Beginning Place" |
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John Hall wrote:
Brian's on your side! It was Dawlish who was taking issue with his sources, and thus by inference with you. However the chevrons have got screwed up, no doubt because someone along the way posted through Google Groups. It's usually a posting from a person using Google Groups and a reply from someone else using Mickeysoft. Two dodgy systems. I wish people would use proper newsreaders as it would make life a lot easier for the rest of us. -- Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks., UK. E-mail: newsman not newsboy "I wear the cheese. It does not wear me." |
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