Graham ,is this the forecast you were referring to when you quoted Two as
saying winter is over ...? !!

http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/

RonB
"Graham" wrote in message
...
Looks like two were right last week, winter over

Looking more like a 1981-82 now with a mild February to follow, well at
least we won't hear anymore of the silly comments like the coldest winter
since 1963

Overnight snow showers here giving around a 1cm.

Temp currently -0.5c

Graham

On 31 Jan, 16:43, "ronaldbutton" wrote:
Graham ,is this the forecast you were referring to when you quoted Two as
saying winter is over ...? *!!

*http://www.theweatheroutlook.com/

RonB"Graham" wrote in message

...



Looks like two were right last week, winter over

Looking more like a 1981-82 now with a mild February to follow, well at
least we won't hear anymore of the silly comments like the coldest winter
since 1963

Overnight snow showers here giving around a 1cm.

Temp currently -0.5c

Graham- Hide quoted text -

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It's the suckers' gap just growing a bit wider surely?

"Alex Stephens Jr" wrote :

BBC Countrytracks forecast stated that Dec/Jan was the coldest in
Scotland "on record"! Remains to be seen.

It's not the case for the whole of Scotland, though perhaps it has been
with most?
December/January 1981/82 was slightly colder in this area (0.4ºC cooler).
And it looks to have been fractionally cooler for Glasgow and Edinburgh
too as far as I can tell. So I'm not sure if that's just a bit of headline
grabbing from the BBC / met office.
December/January 1939/40 is another candidate for being cooler.
Calling Mr Eden.
Alex.

Well, whoever said that was talking through their fundament and
probably deserves a good spanking thereupon. Here are the stats
for Dec/Jan combined:

Station 09/10 96/97 95/96 81/82 78/79
Lerwick 3.3 3.9 3.7 1.9 2.2
Kirkwall 3.8 4.1 4.4 2.4 2.8
Stornoway 4.2 4.7 5.1 3.4 3.7
Tiree 4.5 5.2 5.5 4.2 4.3
Glasgow 1.3 3.1* 2.9* 0.3* 1.5*
Eskdalemuir 0.1 1.4 1.8 -0.8 -0.1
Edinburgh 1.5 3.3* 3.2* 0.2* 1.7*
Leuchars 1.8 3.0 3.5 0.9 1.9
Dyce 2.1 3.3 3.1 0.7 1.7
Braemar -1.7 0.0* -0.1* -2.4 -0.9
Aviemore -0.7 1.2* 1.3* -1.7* -0.8*
Wick 3.2 3.3 4.0 1.9 2.9
* Change of site

So every station was colder in 81-82, some by more than
a degree (quite a large margin when you're looking at
two-month averages), and 8 of the 12 were colder in
78-79 as well.

And of course we should also emphasise that there are
lots and lots and lots of Jan/Feb combinations colder than
the coldest Dec/Jan combination.

Philip

On Jan 31, 6:43*pm, "Philip Eden" philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom
wrote:
"Alex Stephens Jr" wrote :

BBC Countrytracks forecast stated that Dec/Jan was the coldest in
Scotland "on record"! Remains to be seen.

It's not the case for the whole of Scotland, though perhaps it has been
with most?
December/January 1981/82 was slightly colder in this area (0.4ºC cooler).
And it looks to have been fractionally cooler for Glasgow and Edinburgh
too as far as I can tell. So I'm not sure if that's just a bit of headline
grabbing from the BBC / met office.
December/January 1939/40 is another candidate for being cooler.
Calling Mr Eden.
Alex.

Well, whoever said that was talking through their fundament and
probably deserves a good spanking thereupon. Here are the stats
for Dec/Jan combined:

Station * * * * 09/10 * *96/97 * *95/96 * *81/82 * *78/79
Lerwick * * * * 3.3 * * * *3.9 * * * *3.7 * * * *1.9 * * * *2.2
Kirkwall * * * *3.8 * * * *4.1 * * * *4.4 * * * *2.4 * * * *2.8
Stornoway * * 4.2 * * * *4.7 * * * *5.1 * * * *3.4 * * * *3.7
Tiree * * * * * * 4.5 * * * *5.2 * * * *5.5 * * * *4.2 * * * *4.3
Glasgow * * * *1.3 * * * *3.1* * * *2.9* * * *0.3* * * *1.5*
Eskdalemuir * 0.1 * * * *1.4 * * * *1.8 * * *-0.8 * * * -0.1
Edinburgh * * *1.5 * * * *3.3* * * *3.2* * * *0..2* * * *1.7*
Leuchars * * * 1.8 * * * *3.0 * * * *3.5 * * * *0.9 * * * *1.9
Dyce * * * * * * 2.1 * * * *3.3 * * * *3.1 * * * *0.7 * * * *1.7
Braemar * * *-1.7 * * * *0.0* * * -0.1* * *-2.4 * * * -0.9
Aviemore * *-0.7 * * * *1.2* * * *1.3* * * -1.7* * * -0.8*
Wick * * * * * *3.2 * * * *3.3 * * * *4.0 * * * *1.9 * * * * 2.9
* * * * * * Change of site

So every station was colder in 81-82, some by more than
a degree (quite a large margin when you're looking at
two-month averages), and 8 of the 12 were colder in
78-79 as well.

And of course we should also emphasise that there are
lots and lots and lots of Jan/Feb combinations colder than
the coldest Dec/Jan combination.

Philip

Just had a sneaking feeling that might be the case. Thanks Philip.

On 2010-01-31 18:43:29 +0000, "Philip Eden"
philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom said:
"Alex Stephens Jr" wrote :
BBC Countrytracks forecast stated that Dec/Jan was the coldest in
Scotland "on record"! Remains to be seen.


So every station was colder in 81-82, some by more than
a degree (quite a large margin when you're looking at
two-month averages), and 8 of the 12 were colder in
78-79 as well.

And of course we should also emphasise that there are
lots and lots and lots of Jan/Feb combinations colder than
the coldest Dec/Jan combination.

I had found myself feeling a bit glum at the prospect of the end of
winter, but Nick Miller cheered me up at the end of the Countryfile
forecast with the week ahead with his suspicion that the mild weather
wasn't here to stay for long.

However, if they can't get a simple thing like the coldest
December-January in Scotland right, how can they be expected to get the
weather forecast right?

He also said that the temperatures in Scotland went back "as far as
1914" - which of course we know to be no time at all. Is this really
right?

--

Trevor
Chilly and windy in Lundie, near Dundee
http://www.personal.dundee.ac.uk/~taharley/

"Philip Eden" philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom wrote in message
...
"Alex Stephens Jr" wrote :

Calling Mr Eden.
Alex.

Well, whoever said that was talking through their fundament and
probably deserves a good spanking thereupon. Here are the stats
for Dec/Jan combined:

Station 09/10 96/97 95/96 81/82 78/79
Lerwick 3.3 3.9 3.7 1.9 2.2
Kirkwall 3.8 4.1 4.4 2.4 2.8
Stornoway 4.2 4.7 5.1 3.4 3.7
Tiree 4.5 5.2 5.5 4.2 4.3
Glasgow 1.3 3.1* 2.9* 0.3* 1.5*
Eskdalemuir 0.1 1.4 1.8 -0.8 -0.1
Edinburgh 1.5 3.3* 3.2* 0.2* 1.7*
Leuchars 1.8 3.0 3.5 0.9 1.9
Dyce 2.1 3.3 3.1 0.7 1.7
Braemar -1.7 0.0* -0.1* -2.4 -0.9
Aviemore -0.7 1.2* 1.3* -1.7* -0.8*
Wick 3.2 3.3 4.0 1.9 2.9
* Change of site

So every station was colder in 81-82, some by more than
a degree (quite a large margin when you're looking at
two-month averages), and 8 of the 12 were colder in
78-79 as well.

And of course we should also emphasise that there are
lots and lots and lots of Jan/Feb combinations colder than
the coldest Dec/Jan combination.

Philip

Thanks Philip. I suspected as much.
Shall we use a cricket bat or a wooden paddle?
Alex.

Philip Eden wrote:
"Alex Stephens Jr" wrote :
BBC Countrytracks forecast stated that Dec/Jan was the coldest in
Scotland "on record"! Remains to be seen.

It's not the case for the whole of Scotland, though perhaps it has been
with most?
December/January 1981/82 was slightly colder in this area (0.4ºC cooler).
And it looks to have been fractionally cooler for Glasgow and Edinburgh
too as far as I can tell. So I'm not sure if that's just a bit of headline
grabbing from the BBC / met office.
December/January 1939/40 is another candidate for being cooler.
Calling Mr Eden.
Alex.

Well, whoever said that was talking through their fundament and
probably deserves a good spanking thereupon. Here are the stats
for Dec/Jan combined:

Station 09/10 96/97 95/96 81/82 78/79
Lerwick 3.3 3.9 3.7 1.9 2.2
Kirkwall 3.8 4.1 4.4 2.4 2.8
Stornoway 4.2 4.7 5.1 3.4 3.7
Tiree 4.5 5.2 5.5 4.2 4.3
Glasgow 1.3 3.1* 2.9* 0.3* 1.5*
Eskdalemuir 0.1 1.4 1.8 -0.8 -0.1
Edinburgh 1.5 3.3* 3.2* 0.2* 1.7*
Leuchars 1.8 3.0 3.5 0.9 1.9
Dyce 2.1 3.3 3.1 0.7 1.7
Braemar -1.7 0.0* -0.1* -2.4 -0.9
Aviemore -0.7 1.2* 1.3* -1.7* -0.8*
Wick 3.2 3.3 4.0 1.9 2.9
* Change of site

So every station was colder in 81-82, some by more than
a degree (quite a large margin when you're looking at
two-month averages), and 8 of the 12 were colder in
78-79 as well.

And of course we should also emphasise that there are
lots and lots and lots of Jan/Feb combinations colder than
the coldest Dec/Jan combination.

Philip



Good one for the Telegraph next weekend Philip ;-)

It's quite obvious the people in power don't know what there're talking
about!

--
Keith (Southend)
http://www.southendweather.net
e-mail: kreh at southendweather dot net

In article ,
"Keith(Southend)" writes:
Philip Eden wrote:
"Alex Stephens Jr" wrote :
BBC Countrytracks forecast stated that Dec/Jan was the coldest in
Scotland "on record"! Remains to be seen.
snip
So every station was colder in 81-82, some by more than
a degree (quite a large margin when you're looking at
two-month averages), and 8 of the 12 were colder in
78-79 as well.
And of course we should also emphasise that there are
lots and lots and lots of Jan/Feb combinations colder than
the coldest Dec/Jan combination.
Philip

Good one for the Telegraph next weekend Philip ;-)

It's quite obvious the people in power don't know what there're talking
about!


One expects that from the people in power, but one would hope that the
Met Office (who in spite of what Lawrence might think are not yet in
power could do rather better. I do occasionally wonder if some of the
weather presenters get their historical information from the Met
Office's Press Office rather from their climatologist colleagues!
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:43:29 -0000, Philip Eden wrote in


Well, whoever said that was talking through their fundament and
probably deserves a good spanking thereupon. Here are the stats
for Dec/Jan combined:

Station 09/10 96/97 95/96 81/82 78/79
Lerwick 3.3 3.9 3.7 1.9 2.2
Kirkwall 3.8 4.1 4.4 2.4 2.8
Stornoway 4.2 4.7 5.1 3.4 3.7
Tiree 4.5 5.2 5.5 4.2 4.3
Glasgow 1.3 3.1* 2.9* 0.3* 1.5*
Eskdalemuir 0.1 1.4 1.8 -0.8 -0.1
Edinburgh 1.5 3.3* 3.2* 0.2* 1.7*
Leuchars 1.8 3.0 3.5 0.9 1.9
Dyce 2.1 3.3 3.1 0.7 1.7
Braemar -1.7 0.0* -0.1* -2.4 -0.9
Aviemore -0.7 1.2* 1.3* -1.7* -0.8*
Wick 3.2 3.3 4.0 1.9 2.9
* Change of site

So every station was colder in 81-82, some by more than
a degree (quite a large margin when you're looking at
two-month averages), and 8 of the 12 were colder in
78-79 as well.

Philip - would that also be the case here in NI? I ask as the local Met
Office forecaster on BBC1 said tonight that the Dec/Jan period here was the
coldest in over 45 years (ie since 62/63).

--
Mike Tullett - Coleraine 55.13°N 6.69°W posted 01/02/2010 22:15:05 GMT

"Mike Tullett" wrote:
On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:43:29 -0000, Philip Eden :

Well, whoever said that was talking through their fundament and
probably deserves a good spanking thereupon. Here are the stats
for Dec/Jan combined:

Station 09/10 96/97 95/96 81/82 78/79
Lerwick 3.3 3.9 3.7 1.9 2.2
Kirkwall 3.8 4.1 4.4 2.4 2.8
Stornoway 4.2 4.7 5.1 3.4 3.7
Tiree 4.5 5.2 5.5 4.2 4.3
Glasgow 1.3 3.1* 2.9* 0.3* 1.5*
Eskdalemuir 0.1 1.4 1.8 -0.8 -0.1
Edinburgh 1.5 3.3* 3.2* 0.2* 1.7*
Leuchars 1.8 3.0 3.5 0.9 1.9
Dyce 2.1 3.3 3.1 0.7 1.7
Braemar -1.7 0.0* -0.1* -2.4 -0.9
Aviemore -0.7 1.2* 1.3* -1.7* -0.8*
Wick 3.2 3.3 4.0 1.9 2.9
* Change of site

So every station was colder in 81-82, some by more than
a degree (quite a large margin when you're looking at
two-month averages), and 8 of the 12 were colder in
78-79 as well.

Philip - would that also be the case here in NI? I ask as the local Met
Office forecaster on BBC1 said tonight that the Dec/Jan period here was
the
coldest in over 45 years (ie since 62/63).

Mike, I've only checked the figures for Aldergrove.
NI did not share in the long sequence of extremely low
night minima in Jan 1982, so that Dec/Jan was marginally
less cold. However, Dec/Jan 78-9 was colder at
Aldergrove. I've not checked 95-96 or 96-97.

2009-10 2.8°C
1981-82 3.0°C
1978-79 2.4°C

It's just possible, I suppose, that the regional NI
figure was the same as or slightly lower this year
than in 78-79, but a similar figure should suggest
that some parts of Ulster were higher and some
were lower, which would not excuse the dogmatic
"lowest for 47 years" ... at least for anyone with
half a brain :-)

Philip