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On Feb 4, 5:30 pm, "Will Hand" wrote:
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On Feb 4, 10:07 am, John Hall wrote:





In article ,
Dave Cornwell writes:

Well after three weeks of twoing and froing it looks as if the cold
will
return in a few days time. Will said - "Note that 850hPa temps. will
not
be
a useful guide as cold air will be below this to start with. " So I
imagine
some of the -15C 850 hPa's being modelled for London in some
peturbations
would bring quite chilly conditions ;-)
Dave



Both the 18Z and 00Z GFS operational runs went for very cold NEerlies by
the middle of next week, and so far the 06Z seems to be evolving very
similarly. With such cold air aloft and quite a long sea track over the
North Sea, I imagine that eastern regions could see quite a bit of snow.
But the air would have been warmed in its lowest layer by that longish
sea track, so for places within a mile or two of the coast there might
be a risk of it falling as rain or sleet.
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

12z still shows wintry showers setting in as early as Monday on the
East Coast and there is the potential for more widespread snow to
follow during the week. It's looking unfortunately likely that we're
in for another cold spell that may well be still there in 10 days
time. It's been a long winter even for us in balmy South Devon. The
crocuses and the 6 daffodils which are in flower in my garden look
like they may be in for a shock next week! The ECM 00z ensembles show
a cooling trend from tomorrow, with cold weather right out past mid-
month:

==========

Long winter?
How long do winters normally last with you Paul, it is only beginning of
February!
My garden is well and truly asleep, no sign of life whatsoever, which is
as
it should be in the depths of winter.
Hopefully I won't have to mow my grass till April having last cut it at
end
of October, many bits are dying back and yellowing now after the snow and
frost.
Equally hopefully the daffodils will appear in last week of March (a
little
later than normal) as a few are still only barely poking through the soil.
I think this final (yes final) third wave for southern Britain will be the
snowiest and may last at least until the end of February.

Will
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Down here on the coast in Dawlish, real winter is only occasional and
has lasted for no longer a few days at a time since we moved here in
1998. It's one of the reasons we're here. As a result, this colder
winter has seemed long. "Oooh I can't wait for spring, this winter's
lasted ages" is what the dog-walking fraternity are saying and they're
a good barometer!

PS I know winter is the same length each year, but It feels like
someone stuck an extra month in this one somewhere! It's not too long
to spring, but it looks like we'll have to endure another cold spell
first!
==================

LOL I guess people move to where they feel comfortable if they have a
choice. Up here people love the cold and snow (despite all the problems it
can cause, and has caused this winter). And so do a lot of lowland folk
judging by the number of cars that come up here every time it snows!

To me this winter is going very quickly, mainly because I am enjoying it so
much and it is not dragging like some winters can with seemingly endless,
rain, mild, wind and fog. If I can have another 6 weeks of cold and snow
then I'll be ready for Spring. It will never happen of course, or will it?
:-)

Will
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On Feb 4, 5:30 pm, "Will Hand" wrote:
"Dawlish" wrote in message

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On Feb 4, 10:07 am, John Hall wrote:





In article ,
Dave Cornwell writes:

Well after three weeks of twoing and froing it looks as if the cold
will
return in a few days time. Will said - "Note that 850hPa temps. will
not
be
a useful guide as cold air will be below this to start with. " So I
imagine
some of the -15C 850 hPa's being modelled for London in some
peturbations
would bring quite chilly conditions ;-)
Dave



Both the 18Z and 00Z GFS operational runs went for very cold NEerlies
by
the middle of next week, and so far the 06Z seems to be evolving very
similarly. With such cold air aloft and quite a long sea track over the
North Sea, I imagine that eastern regions could see quite a bit of
snow.
But the air would have been warmed in its lowest layer by that longish
sea track, so for places within a mile or two of the coast there might
be a risk of it falling as rain or sleet.
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

12z still shows wintry showers setting in as early as Monday on the
East Coast and there is the potential for more widespread snow to
follow during the week. It's looking unfortunately likely that we're
in for another cold spell that may well be still there in 10 days
time. It's been a long winter even for us in balmy South Devon. The
crocuses and the 6 daffodils which are in flower in my garden look
like they may be in for a shock next week! The ECM 00z ensembles show
a cooling trend from tomorrow, with cold weather right out past mid-
month:

==========

Long winter?
How long do winters normally last with you Paul, it is only beginning of
February!
My garden is well and truly asleep, no sign of life whatsoever, which is
as
it should be in the depths of winter.
Hopefully I won't have to mow my grass till April having last cut it at
end
of October, many bits are dying back and yellowing now after the snow and
frost.
Equally hopefully the daffodils will appear in last week of March (a
little
later than normal) as a few are still only barely poking through the
soil.
I think this final (yes final) third wave for southern Britain will be
the
snowiest and may last at least until the end of February.

Will
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Down here on the coast in Dawlish, real winter is only occasional and
has lasted for no longer a few days at a time since we moved here in
1998. It's one of the reasons we're here. As a result, this colder
winter has seemed long. "Oooh I can't wait for spring, this winter's
lasted ages" is what the dog-walking fraternity are saying and they're
a good barometer!

PS I know winter is the same length each year, but It feels like
someone stuck an extra month in this one somewhere! It's not too long
to spring, but it looks like we'll have to endure another cold spell
first!
==================

LOL I guess people move to where they feel comfortable if they have a
choice. Up here people love the cold and snow (despite all the problems it
can cause, and has caused this winter). And so do a lot of lowland folk
judging by the number of cars that come up here every time it snows!

To me this winter is going very quickly, mainly because I am enjoying it
so much and it is not dragging like some winters can with seemingly
endless, rain, mild, wind and fog. If I can have another 6 weeks of cold
and snow then I'll be ready for Spring. It will never happen of course, or
will it? :-)

Will
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Looks like the feckless models have taken their toll on Lawrence. I think
he's fallen into the "suckers gap". I suspect that he will return, refreshed
and happier, next week ;-)
Dave

Dave Cornwell wrote:


Looks like the feckless models have taken their toll on Lawrence. I
think he's fallen into the "suckers gap". I suspect that he will
return, refreshed and happier, next week ;-)

Once the snowflakes are dancing in the glow of the street lamps
of Sydenham, he'll be back.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

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Looks like the feckless models have taken their toll on Lawrence. I think
he's fallen into the "suckers gap". I suspect that he will return, refreshed
and happier, next week ;-)
Dave



I do hope so.
I miss my late night chats with him and his unique sense of humour

Mark
Southend

Mark Chamberlain (Southend) wrote:
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Looks like the feckless models have taken their toll on Lawrence. I
think he's fallen into the "suckers gap". I suspect that he will
return, refreshed and happier, next week ;-)
Dave



I do hope so.
I miss my late night chats with him and his unique sense of humour

So do I.
However with the proviso that he curbs the political stuff.
There are plenty of more appropriate places for that.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

In article , Will Hand
writes
Long winter?
How long do winters normally last with you Paul, it is only beginning
of February!
My garden is well and truly asleep, no sign of life whatsoever, which
is as it should be in the depths of winter.
Hopefully I won't have to mow my grass till April having last cut it at
end of October, many bits are dying back and yellowing now after the
snow and frost.
Equally hopefully the daffodils will appear in last week of March (a
little later than normal) as a few are still only barely poking through
the soil.
I think this final (yes final) third wave for southern Britain will be
the snowiest and may last at least until the end of February.

Blimey Will... in deepest, darkest Sheffield we have snow drops - half
grown daffodils and even seeds have germinated from the bird food
underneath a small conifer...

Was thrilled to bits to have a Black Cap visit the bird table earlier
today!
--
Wendy Tinley

http://www.theigloo.co.uk/

On 4 Feb, 21:28, Wendy Tinley wrote:
In article , Will Hand
writes

Long winter?
How long do winters normally last with you Paul, it is only beginning
of February!
My garden is well and truly asleep, no sign of life whatsoever, which
is as it should be in the depths of winter.
Hopefully I won't have to mow my grass till April having last cut it at
end of October, many bits are dying back and yellowing now after the
snow and frost.
Equally hopefully the daffodils will appear in last week of March (a
little later than normal) as a few are still only barely poking through
the soil.
I think this final (yes final) third wave for southern Britain will be
the snowiest and may last at least until the end of February.

Blimey Will... in deepest, darkest Sheffield we have snow drops - half
grown daffodils and even seeds have germinated from the bird food
underneath a small conifer...

Was thrilled to bits to have a Black Cap visit the bird table earlier
today!
--
Wendy Tinley
/

Wendy

I am only a few miles away from you in Sheffield at around M1 J33 but
have no spring bulbs showing yet.
Daff that would have been almost in flower at this time in recent
years are not yet showinf through the soil. Snow drops that have been
flowering in January are barely daring to show through. We have had
more snow cover this year than any other year since moving to
Sheffield. Yesterdays snow still visisble in patches around the
garden.

Simon S (South Yorkshire)

On Feb 4, 10:43*pm, Simon S wrote:
On 4 Feb, 21:28, Wendy Tinley wrote:





In article , Will Hand
writes

Long winter?
How long do winters normally last with you Paul, it is only beginning
of February!
My garden is well and truly asleep, no sign of life whatsoever, which
is as it should be in the depths of winter.
Hopefully I won't have to mow my grass till April having last cut it at
end of October, many bits are dying back and yellowing now after the
snow and frost.
Equally hopefully the daffodils will appear in last week of March (a
little later than normal) as a few are still only barely poking through
the soil.
I think this final (yes final) third wave for southern Britain will be
the snowiest and may last at least until the end of February.

Blimey Will... in deepest, darkest Sheffield we have snow drops - half
grown daffodils and even seeds have germinated from the bird food
underneath a small conifer...

Was thrilled to bits to have a Black Cap visit the bird table earlier
today!
--
Wendy Tinley
/

Wendy

I am only a few miles away from you in Sheffield at around M1 J33 but
have no spring bulbs showing yet.
Daff that would have been almost in flower at this time in recent
years are not yet showinf through the soil. Snow drops that have been
flowering in January are barely daring to show through. We have had
more snow cover this year than any other year since moving to
Sheffield. Yesterdays snow still visisble in patches around the
garden.

Simon S (South Yorkshire)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Girding the loins time for many. NO real change in the models this
morning, with the ECM and the gfs goind for a cold spell, starting
soon after the weekend and lasting at least a week (into the last 3rd
of Feb if you believe any model can show the weather at that
distance). GEM, however, brings mild south-westerlies for Valentine's
day. Now that would seem apt somehow, but I doubt that scenario will
achieve outcome. *))

"Dawlish" wrote in message
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On Feb 4, 10:43 pm, Simon S wrote:
On 4 Feb, 21:28, Wendy Tinley wrote:





In article , Will Hand
writes

Long winter?
How long do winters normally last with you Paul, it is only beginning
of February!
My garden is well and truly asleep, no sign of life whatsoever, which
is as it should be in the depths of winter.
Hopefully I won't have to mow my grass till April having last cut it at
end of October, many bits are dying back and yellowing now after the
snow and frost.
Equally hopefully the daffodils will appear in last week of March (a
little later than normal) as a few are still only barely poking through
the soil.
I think this final (yes final) third wave for southern Britain will be
the snowiest and may last at least until the end of February.

Blimey Will... in deepest, darkest Sheffield we have snow drops - half
grown daffodils and even seeds have germinated from the bird food
underneath a small conifer...

Was thrilled to bits to have a Black Cap visit the bird table earlier
today!
--
Wendy Tinley
/

Wendy

I am only a few miles away from you in Sheffield at around M1 J33 but
have no spring bulbs showing yet.
Daff that would have been almost in flower at this time in recent
years are not yet showinf through the soil. Snow drops that have been
flowering in January are barely daring to show through. We have had
more snow cover this year than any other year since moving to
Sheffield. Yesterdays snow still visisble in patches around the
garden.

Simon S (South Yorkshire)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Girding the loins time for many. NO real change in the models this
morning, with the ECM and the gfs goind for a cold spell, starting
soon after the weekend and lasting at least a week (into the last 3rd
of Feb if you believe any model can show the weather at that
distance). GEM, however, brings mild south-westerlies for Valentine's
day. Now that would seem apt somehow, but I doubt that scenario will
achieve outcome. *))
==================

I'm leading a walk on Valentines Day round Fernworthy going up to 500m asl
and I fully expect a snow cover with hard frozen ground below. Fantastic!
Far better than foggy soggy boggy SW'lies.

Will
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On Feb 5, 8:46*am, "Will Hand" wrote:
"Dawlish" wrote in message

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On Feb 4, 10:43 pm, Simon S wrote:





On 4 Feb, 21:28, Wendy Tinley wrote:

In article , Will Hand
writes

Long winter?
How long do winters normally last with you Paul, it is only beginning
of February!
My garden is well and truly asleep, no sign of life whatsoever, which
is as it should be in the depths of winter.
Hopefully I won't have to mow my grass till April having last cut it at
end of October, many bits are dying back and yellowing now after the
snow and frost.
Equally hopefully the daffodils will appear in last week of March (a
little later than normal) as a few are still only barely poking through
the soil.
I think this final (yes final) third wave for southern Britain will be
the snowiest and may last at least until the end of February.

Blimey Will... in deepest, darkest Sheffield we have snow drops - half
grown daffodils and even seeds have germinated from the bird food
underneath a small conifer...

Was thrilled to bits to have a Black Cap visit the bird table earlier
today!
--
Wendy Tinley
/

Wendy

I am only a few miles away from you in Sheffield at around M1 J33 but
have no spring bulbs showing yet.
Daff that would have been almost in flower at this time in recent
years are not yet showinf through the soil. Snow drops that have been
flowering in January are barely daring to show through. We have had
more snow cover this year than any other year since moving to
Sheffield. Yesterdays snow still visisble in patches around the
garden.

Simon S (South Yorkshire)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Girding the loins time for many. NO real change in the models this
morning, with the ECM and the gfs goind for a cold spell, starting
soon after the weekend and lasting at least a week (into the last 3rd
of Feb if you believe any model can show the weather at that
distance). GEM, however, brings mild south-westerlies for Valentine's
day. Now that would seem apt somehow, but I doubt that scenario will
achieve outcome. *))
==================

I'm leading a walk on Valentines Day round Fernworthy going up to 500m asl
and I fully expect a snow cover with hard frozen ground below. Fantastic!
Far better than foggy soggy boggy SW'lies.

Will
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- Show quoted text -

I know what you mean about Fernworthy Will. The far side of the
reservoir, where the boarding now is, can be a morass in wet weather.