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![]() "Dawlish" wrote in message ... On Feb 4, 5:30 pm, "Will Hand" wrote: "Dawlish" wrote in message ... On Feb 4, 10:07 am, John Hall wrote: In article , Dave Cornwell writes: Well after three weeks of twoing and froing it looks as if the cold will return in a few days time. Will said - "Note that 850hPa temps. will not be a useful guide as cold air will be below this to start with. " So I imagine some of the -15C 850 hPa's being modelled for London in some peturbations would bring quite chilly conditions ;-) Dave ![]() Both the 18Z and 00Z GFS operational runs went for very cold NEerlies by the middle of next week, and so far the 06Z seems to be evolving very similarly. With such cold air aloft and quite a long sea track over the North Sea, I imagine that eastern regions could see quite a bit of snow. But the air would have been warmed in its lowest layer by that longish sea track, so for places within a mile or two of the coast there might be a risk of it falling as rain or sleet. -- John Hall "Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people from coughing." Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83) 12z still shows wintry showers setting in as early as Monday on the East Coast and there is the potential for more widespread snow to follow during the week. It's looking unfortunately likely that we're in for another cold spell that may well be still there in 10 days time. It's been a long winter even for us in balmy South Devon. The crocuses and the 6 daffodils which are in flower in my garden look like they may be in for a shock next week! The ECM 00z ensembles show a cooling trend from tomorrow, with cold weather right out past mid- month: ========== Long winter? How long do winters normally last with you Paul, it is only beginning of February! My garden is well and truly asleep, no sign of life whatsoever, which is as it should be in the depths of winter. Hopefully I won't have to mow my grass till April having last cut it at end of October, many bits are dying back and yellowing now after the snow and frost. Equally hopefully the daffodils will appear in last week of March (a little later than normal) as a few are still only barely poking through the soil. I think this final (yes final) third wave for southern Britain will be the snowiest and may last at least until the end of February. Will --- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Down here on the coast in Dawlish, real winter is only occasional and has lasted for no longer a few days at a time since we moved here in 1998. It's one of the reasons we're here. As a result, this colder winter has seemed long. "Oooh I can't wait for spring, this winter's lasted ages" is what the dog-walking fraternity are saying and they're a good barometer! PS I know winter is the same length each year, but It feels like someone stuck an extra month in this one somewhere! It's not too long to spring, but it looks like we'll have to endure another cold spell first! ================== LOL I guess people move to where they feel comfortable if they have a choice. Up here people love the cold and snow (despite all the problems it can cause, and has caused this winter). And so do a lot of lowland folk judging by the number of cars that come up here every time it snows! To me this winter is going very quickly, mainly because I am enjoying it so much and it is not dragging like some winters can with seemingly endless, rain, mild, wind and fog. If I can have another 6 weeks of cold and snow then I'll be ready for Spring. It will never happen of course, or will it? :-) Will -- |
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![]() "Will Hand" wrote in message ... "Dawlish" wrote in message ... On Feb 4, 5:30 pm, "Will Hand" wrote: "Dawlish" wrote in message ... On Feb 4, 10:07 am, John Hall wrote: In article , Dave Cornwell writes: Well after three weeks of twoing and froing it looks as if the cold will return in a few days time. Will said - "Note that 850hPa temps. will not be a useful guide as cold air will be below this to start with. " So I imagine some of the -15C 850 hPa's being modelled for London in some peturbations would bring quite chilly conditions ;-) Dave ![]() Both the 18Z and 00Z GFS operational runs went for very cold NEerlies by the middle of next week, and so far the 06Z seems to be evolving very similarly. With such cold air aloft and quite a long sea track over the North Sea, I imagine that eastern regions could see quite a bit of snow. But the air would have been warmed in its lowest layer by that longish sea track, so for places within a mile or two of the coast there might be a risk of it falling as rain or sleet. -- John Hall "Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people from coughing." Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83) 12z still shows wintry showers setting in as early as Monday on the East Coast and there is the potential for more widespread snow to follow during the week. It's looking unfortunately likely that we're in for another cold spell that may well be still there in 10 days time. It's been a long winter even for us in balmy South Devon. The crocuses and the 6 daffodils which are in flower in my garden look like they may be in for a shock next week! The ECM 00z ensembles show a cooling trend from tomorrow, with cold weather right out past mid- month: ========== Long winter? How long do winters normally last with you Paul, it is only beginning of February! My garden is well and truly asleep, no sign of life whatsoever, which is as it should be in the depths of winter. Hopefully I won't have to mow my grass till April having last cut it at end of October, many bits are dying back and yellowing now after the snow and frost. Equally hopefully the daffodils will appear in last week of March (a little later than normal) as a few are still only barely poking through the soil. I think this final (yes final) third wave for southern Britain will be the snowiest and may last at least until the end of February. Will --- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Down here on the coast in Dawlish, real winter is only occasional and has lasted for no longer a few days at a time since we moved here in 1998. It's one of the reasons we're here. As a result, this colder winter has seemed long. "Oooh I can't wait for spring, this winter's lasted ages" is what the dog-walking fraternity are saying and they're a good barometer! PS I know winter is the same length each year, but It feels like someone stuck an extra month in this one somewhere! It's not too long to spring, but it looks like we'll have to endure another cold spell first! ================== LOL I guess people move to where they feel comfortable if they have a choice. Up here people love the cold and snow (despite all the problems it can cause, and has caused this winter). And so do a lot of lowland folk judging by the number of cars that come up here every time it snows! To me this winter is going very quickly, mainly because I am enjoying it so much and it is not dragging like some winters can with seemingly endless, rain, mild, wind and fog. If I can have another 6 weeks of cold and snow then I'll be ready for Spring. It will never happen of course, or will it? :-) Will -- Looks like the feckless models have taken their toll on Lawrence. I think he's fallen into the "suckers gap". I suspect that he will return, refreshed and happier, next week ;-) Dave |
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Dave Cornwell wrote:
Looks like the feckless models have taken their toll on Lawrence. I think he's fallen into the "suckers gap". I suspect that he will return, refreshed and happier, next week ;-) Once the snowflakes are dancing in the glow of the street lamps of Sydenham, he'll be back. -- Col Bolton, Lancashire 160m asl |
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![]() -- Looks like the feckless models have taken their toll on Lawrence. I think he's fallen into the "suckers gap". I suspect that he will return, refreshed and happier, next week ;-) Dave I do hope so. I miss my late night chats with him and his unique sense of humour Mark Southend |
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Mark Chamberlain (Southend) wrote:
-- Looks like the feckless models have taken their toll on Lawrence. I think he's fallen into the "suckers gap". I suspect that he will return, refreshed and happier, next week ;-) Dave I do hope so. I miss my late night chats with him and his unique sense of humour So do I. However with the proviso that he curbs the political stuff. There are plenty of more appropriate places for that. -- Col Bolton, Lancashire 160m asl |
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writes Long winter? How long do winters normally last with you Paul, it is only beginning of February! My garden is well and truly asleep, no sign of life whatsoever, which is as it should be in the depths of winter. Hopefully I won't have to mow my grass till April having last cut it at end of October, many bits are dying back and yellowing now after the snow and frost. Equally hopefully the daffodils will appear in last week of March (a little later than normal) as a few are still only barely poking through the soil. I think this final (yes final) third wave for southern Britain will be the snowiest and may last at least until the end of February. Blimey Will... in deepest, darkest Sheffield we have snow drops - half grown daffodils and even seeds have germinated from the bird food underneath a small conifer... Was thrilled to bits to have a Black Cap visit the bird table earlier today! ![]() -- Wendy Tinley http://www.theigloo.co.uk/ |
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On 4 Feb, 21:28, Wendy Tinley wrote:
In article , Will Hand writes Long winter? How long do winters normally last with you Paul, it is only beginning of February! My garden is well and truly asleep, no sign of life whatsoever, which is as it should be in the depths of winter. Hopefully I won't have to mow my grass till April having last cut it at end of October, many bits are dying back and yellowing now after the snow and frost. Equally hopefully the daffodils will appear in last week of March (a little later than normal) as a few are still only barely poking through the soil. I think this final (yes final) third wave for southern Britain will be the snowiest and may last at least until the end of February. Blimey Will... in deepest, darkest Sheffield we have snow drops - half grown daffodils and even seeds have germinated from the bird food underneath a small conifer... Was thrilled to bits to have a Black Cap visit the bird table earlier today! ![]() -- Wendy Tinley / Wendy I am only a few miles away from you in Sheffield at around M1 J33 but have no spring bulbs showing yet. Daff that would have been almost in flower at this time in recent years are not yet showinf through the soil. Snow drops that have been flowering in January are barely daring to show through. We have had more snow cover this year than any other year since moving to Sheffield. Yesterdays snow still visisble in patches around the garden. Simon S (South Yorkshire) |
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On Feb 4, 10:43*pm, Simon S wrote:
On 4 Feb, 21:28, Wendy Tinley wrote: In article , Will Hand writes Long winter? How long do winters normally last with you Paul, it is only beginning of February! My garden is well and truly asleep, no sign of life whatsoever, which is as it should be in the depths of winter. Hopefully I won't have to mow my grass till April having last cut it at end of October, many bits are dying back and yellowing now after the snow and frost. Equally hopefully the daffodils will appear in last week of March (a little later than normal) as a few are still only barely poking through the soil. I think this final (yes final) third wave for southern Britain will be the snowiest and may last at least until the end of February. Blimey Will... in deepest, darkest Sheffield we have snow drops - half grown daffodils and even seeds have germinated from the bird food underneath a small conifer... Was thrilled to bits to have a Black Cap visit the bird table earlier today! ![]() -- Wendy Tinley / Wendy I am only a few miles away from you in Sheffield at around M1 J33 but have no spring bulbs showing yet. Daff that would have been almost in flower at this time in recent years are not yet showinf through the soil. Snow drops that have been flowering in January are barely daring to show through. We have had more snow cover this year than any other year since moving to Sheffield. Yesterdays snow still visisble in patches around the garden. Simon S (South Yorkshire)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Girding the loins time for many. NO real change in the models this morning, with the ECM and the gfs goind for a cold spell, starting soon after the weekend and lasting at least a week (into the last 3rd of Feb if you believe any model can show the weather at that distance). GEM, however, brings mild south-westerlies for Valentine's day. Now that would seem apt somehow, but I doubt that scenario will achieve outcome. *)) |
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![]() "Dawlish" wrote in message ... On Feb 4, 10:43 pm, Simon S wrote: On 4 Feb, 21:28, Wendy Tinley wrote: In article , Will Hand writes Long winter? How long do winters normally last with you Paul, it is only beginning of February! My garden is well and truly asleep, no sign of life whatsoever, which is as it should be in the depths of winter. Hopefully I won't have to mow my grass till April having last cut it at end of October, many bits are dying back and yellowing now after the snow and frost. Equally hopefully the daffodils will appear in last week of March (a little later than normal) as a few are still only barely poking through the soil. I think this final (yes final) third wave for southern Britain will be the snowiest and may last at least until the end of February. Blimey Will... in deepest, darkest Sheffield we have snow drops - half grown daffodils and even seeds have germinated from the bird food underneath a small conifer... Was thrilled to bits to have a Black Cap visit the bird table earlier today! ![]() -- Wendy Tinley / Wendy I am only a few miles away from you in Sheffield at around M1 J33 but have no spring bulbs showing yet. Daff that would have been almost in flower at this time in recent years are not yet showinf through the soil. Snow drops that have been flowering in January are barely daring to show through. We have had more snow cover this year than any other year since moving to Sheffield. Yesterdays snow still visisble in patches around the garden. Simon S (South Yorkshire)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Girding the loins time for many. NO real change in the models this morning, with the ECM and the gfs goind for a cold spell, starting soon after the weekend and lasting at least a week (into the last 3rd of Feb if you believe any model can show the weather at that distance). GEM, however, brings mild south-westerlies for Valentine's day. Now that would seem apt somehow, but I doubt that scenario will achieve outcome. *)) ================== I'm leading a walk on Valentines Day round Fernworthy going up to 500m asl and I fully expect a snow cover with hard frozen ground below. Fantastic! Far better than foggy soggy boggy SW'lies. Will -- |
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On Feb 5, 8:46*am, "Will Hand" wrote:
"Dawlish" wrote in message ... On Feb 4, 10:43 pm, Simon S wrote: On 4 Feb, 21:28, Wendy Tinley wrote: In article , Will Hand writes Long winter? How long do winters normally last with you Paul, it is only beginning of February! My garden is well and truly asleep, no sign of life whatsoever, which is as it should be in the depths of winter. Hopefully I won't have to mow my grass till April having last cut it at end of October, many bits are dying back and yellowing now after the snow and frost. Equally hopefully the daffodils will appear in last week of March (a little later than normal) as a few are still only barely poking through the soil. I think this final (yes final) third wave for southern Britain will be the snowiest and may last at least until the end of February. Blimey Will... in deepest, darkest Sheffield we have snow drops - half grown daffodils and even seeds have germinated from the bird food underneath a small conifer... Was thrilled to bits to have a Black Cap visit the bird table earlier today! ![]() -- Wendy Tinley / Wendy I am only a few miles away from you in Sheffield at around M1 J33 but have no spring bulbs showing yet. Daff that would have been almost in flower at this time in recent years are not yet showinf through the soil. Snow drops that have been flowering in January are barely daring to show through. We have had more snow cover this year than any other year since moving to Sheffield. Yesterdays snow still visisble in patches around the garden. Simon S (South Yorkshire)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Girding the loins time for many. NO real change in the models this morning, with the ECM and the gfs goind for a cold spell, starting soon after the weekend and lasting at least a week (into the last 3rd of Feb if you believe any model can show the weather at that distance). GEM, however, brings mild south-westerlies for Valentine's day. Now that would seem apt somehow, but I doubt that scenario will achieve outcome. *)) ================== I'm leading a walk on Valentines Day round Fernworthy going up to 500m asl and I fully expect a snow cover with hard frozen ground below. Fantastic! Far better than foggy soggy boggy SW'lies. Will --- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I know what you mean about Fernworthy Will. The far side of the reservoir, where the boarding now is, can be a morass in wet weather. |
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