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If anyone knows what the weather was like in London on 23 November 1660,
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"Goalie of the Century" wrote ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8500127.stm
If anyone knows what the weather was like in London on 23 November
1660, it will be someone on this newsgroup.


.... Pepys also has, 3rd October ... 'rainy weather'.

" Great floods " were reported along the Thames Valley on the 11th
November(Old Style).(from London Weather); also, from the actual diary
.... 'very cold and foul and rainy weather'. The 'floods' commentary
owes nothing to Pepys but to independent contemporary records.

The following winter (DJF) was mild/wet, and taken with the notes
above, it is tempting to suggest that during the latter part of 1660 &
early 1661, the British Isles were experiencing highly zonal
conditions with frequent spells of rain and 'Atlantic/maritime'
conditions.

So, although I can't confirm that 23rd November was as described,
neither would I make any great fuss over the description.

Martin.




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Martin Rowley
West Moors, East Dorset (UK): 17m (56ft) amsl
Lat: 50.82N Long: 01.88W
NGR: SU 082 023

In article ,
Goalie of the Century writes:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8500127.stm
If anyone knows what the weather was like in London on 23 November
1660, it will be someone on this newsgroup.

I was going to suggest consulting Pepys' diary, but I see that the
author of the piece was ahead of me. It's possible that some other
contemporary diarist might have mentioned the weather on that day.
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

If anyone knows what the weather was like in London on 23 November
1660, it will be someone on this newsgroup.


.... had time now to investigate this article further: according to
this site

http://royalsociety.org/History-of-the-Royal-Society/

the meeting referred to occurred on the *28th* of November (in the
calendar of the time), and they presumably should know.

Now, looking at Pepys' diary transcription (interpretation) here ...

http://www.pepysdiary.com/archive/1660/11/

there is nothing within the 28th text to suggest anything untoward,
however, on the following day (29th) we have ...

"In the morning seeing a great deal of foul water come into my parlour
from under the partition between me and Mr. Davis, I did step thither
to him and tell him of it, and he did seem very ready to have it
stopt, and ... "

This may be no more than a maidservant slopping-out a little too
vigorously or somesuch, but it might also imply that there had been
rain in the night which had cause 'foul water' from whatever source to
back up.

As John said elsewhere, it would seem plausible that one of the
gentlemen attending had actually noted the weather.

Martin.


--
Martin Rowley
West Moors, East Dorset (UK): 17m (56ft) amsl
Lat: 50.82N Long: 01.88W
NGR: SU 082 023

"John Hall" wrote:
Goalie of the Century writes:

If anyone knows what the weather was like in London on 23 November
1660, it will be someone on this newsgroup.

I was going to suggest consulting Pepys' diary, but I see that the
author of the piece was ahead of me. It's possible that some other
contemporary diarist might have mentioned the weather on that day.
--
Ms Jardine will have, no doubt, looked at Evelyn (I don't have
copies), but Gordon Manley notes various other journals and diaries
with weather descriptions held in libraries in Norwich, Manchester,
Chester, Chelmsford, and London which covered 1660. I don't
propose to research these on the off-chance of an entry for the
day in question ... I suspect it would be difficult to add anything
substantive to Martin's analysis/speculation. Semantically, though,
we might wonder what the original writer meant by "damp" ...
you could say that most November evenings are 'damp' - unless
they are frozen.

Philip

On Feb 8, 12:04*pm, "Philip Eden" philipATweatherHYPHENukDOTcom
wrote:
"John Hall" wrote:
Goalie of the Century writes:
If anyone knows what the weather was like in London on 23 November
1660, it will be someone on this newsgroup.

Although it is not exactly a scientific source - this website is
attempting to gather a load of secondary sources of anecdotal
historical weather reports from 4000 BC to the present day - mainly
for contextualising historical research.
http://booty.org.uk/booty.weather/cl...histclimat.htm

for 1660 it has:
November: Significant flooding is recorded in the Thames Valley on the
11th November(OS); taken together with the entry below ( winter
warmth), this implies a markedly zonal type (or high NAOI), with the
associated mean jet translated far enough south to propel cyclonic
disturbances across southern Britain in quick succession.

1660/1661 (Winter)
A mild winter - using the (early) CET record (nearest whole degC
only), the average comes out at 5degC, or roughly one-and-a-quarter C
above the all-series mean. Pepys mentions in late January that there
had been a general lack of cold weather, and that it was
'dusty' (implying a warm & dry winter), with plants well ahead for the
season.

"tifrap" wrote :
On Feb 8, 12:04 pm, "Philip Eden" wrote:
"John Hall" wrote:
Goalie of the Century writes:

If anyone knows what the weather was like in London on 23 November
1660, it will be someone on this newsgroup.

: Although it is not exactly a scientific source - this website is
: attempting to gather a load of secondary sources of anecdotal
: historical weather reports from 4000 BC to the present day - mainly
: for contextualising historical research.
: http://booty.org.uk/booty.weather/cl...histclimat.htm
:
:-) yes, that's Martin's website!

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