What date in June does this arrive ?

I seem to remember reading Philip Eden saying that it was due as we had
such a dry April.

Phil

What date in June does this arrive ?

Last year it didn't arrive until the beginning of July.

I think Lamb referred to it as the 'Return of the Westerlies' and I think he
said they generally occur around mid to late June.

This year has been so different weatherwise to previous years that I
wouldn't be at all surprised if, after 3 summers where the westerlies
returned strongly during late June/early July, that it didn't happen this
year and we stayed in this 'blocking' situation all summer long.

Trouble is, if we do stay in this current weather regime, and with
everything already very dry, we could be heading for a crispy brown
countryside by mid-summer, something that we haven't seen since 1995.

Who knows!
_____________________
Nick
Otter Valley, Devon
83 m amsl
http://www.ottervalley.co.uk

If we do see a return to Westerlies, I think we will be in for an
awful summer due to the relatively low sea surface temperatures
currently around our shores for the time of year.

However, if we don't see a return to westerlies (usually 2 in every 7
years) then we could see this summer going the same way as the famous
summer of 1976, whereby we have Northern blocking synoptics.

I gut feeling is that the westerlies will return, and we will have a
poor summer, so make the most of this weekend.

On a different note I was talking to friends that are visiting from
Turkey, and they say that summer there has arrived very late this
year.

On 21/05/10 21:39, Phil Layton wrote:
What date in June does this arrive ?


June 1st!

I first came across this in the Spring of 1964 when I read /The English
Climate/ by CEP Brooks. In it he says, "This [the European Monsoon] also
arrives with something approaching a 'burst', the date in this country
varying from May 24 to June 11, but averaging June 1, which was the
hottest day in London only once in 109 years, whereas it was the coldest
June night in 17 out of 109 years."

I was a bit concerned when I read this as I'd got a week's holiday at
Skegness covering the first week of June. As it turned out, the week
before my holiday got hotter and hotter, peaking on the first day of my
holiday. Unfortunately, this didn't hold true for Skegness, which was
dull and cold. The whole holiday was cold and wet on most days. Check
the analyses at http://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten/fsreaeur.html
My holiday started Saturday 30th May and ended the following Saturday,
though we were considering coming home by Tuesday. The charts don't do
the weather full justice as I recall it for the end of the week. When we
we leaving on Saturday morning, the forecast was for heavy showers
falling as snow on high ground in the north.

Brooks also says that, in some year, there is a regular pulsation with a
week of cool and rainy weather alternating with a week of fine warm
weather. This also happened in June '64.

Although May/June '64 was typical of a European Monsoon as regards
development, temperature and rainfall, it varied in that the cold
weather came in from the north or northeast instead of the west. The
warm, dry spells tended to come from the west.

My memory of the '64 Summer after June was that it was a changeable
westerly but that fronts disappeared before they reached the east of the
country and so it was fairly warm and dry - quite pleasant as I recall.



--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks., UK.
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"Bonos Ego" wrote ...
If we do see a return to Westerlies, I think we will be in for an
awful summer due to the relatively low sea surface temperatures
currently around our shores for the time of year.

However, if we don't see a return to westerlies (usually 2 in every
7
years) then we could see this summer going the same way as the
famous
summer of 1976, whereby we have Northern blocking synoptics.

I gut feeling is that the westerlies will return, and we will have a
poor summer, so make the most of this weekend.

.... normally, I'd agree with you, but I've been keeping a close eye on
the Met Office seasonal output (now they themselves don't make much of
it).

.... for three issues in a row (March, April & May), the Met Office
'GloSea' output has indicated 'warm more likely' across much of the
British Isles for June, July & August.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/science/...onal/category/

.... they've been wrong before of course, but three outputs with a
consistent message is, shall we say, 'interesting'!

Martin.


--
Martin Rowley
West Moors, East Dorset (UK): 17m (56ft) amsl
Lat: 50.82N Long: 01.88W
NGR: SU 082 023

"Nick Gardner" wrote in message
...
What date in June does this arrive ?

Last year it didn't arrive until the beginning of July.

I think Lamb referred to it as the 'Return of the Westerlies' and I think
he said they generally occur around mid to late June.

This year has been so different weatherwise to previous years that I
wouldn't be at all surprised if, after 3 summers where the westerlies
returned strongly during late June/early July, that it didn't happen this
year and we stayed in this 'blocking' situation all summer long.

Trouble is, if we do stay in this current weather regime, and with
everything already very dry, we could be heading for a crispy brown
countryside by mid-summer, something that we haven't seen since 1995.

Who knows!

Grass is growing like there is no tomorrow up here Nick :-(

It was cut last Tuesday and is already another inch higher.

I've never seen the grass brown in Haytor, in 2003 it did stop growing and
started to yellow a bit, but never brown and I have never had a drought,
even now the soil is very moist giving perfect growing conditions and the
plants and veg are loving it.

Will
--

Grass is growing like there is no tomorrow up here Nick :-(

Not here Will.

Dry as a bone. The grass is browning by the minute in the sun. It has
stopped growing but the weeds are hanging in there.

As for the allotment, it is dust-dry, even a foot down there is little
moisture and I am having to water everything to stop things shrivelling up.

I have noticed the grass can stop growing and lose its green during very
sunny spells in the summer, even if the soils aren't dry. I presume it is
just the intensity of the sun that must somehow 'damage' the grass.

(14:40), 25.1°C, RH 51%, DP 14.2°C, 1028 hPa (F), Wind 7 mph SSE.
_____________________
Nick
Otter Valley, Devon
83 m amsl
http://www.ottervalley.co.uk

"Nick Gardner" wrote in message
...
Grass is growing like there is no tomorrow up here Nick :-(

Not here Will.

Dry as a bone. The grass is browning by the minute in the sun. It has
stopped growing but the weeds are hanging in there.

As for the allotment, it is dust-dry, even a foot down there is little
moisture and I am having to water everything to stop things shrivelling
up.

I have noticed the grass can stop growing and lose its green during very
sunny spells in the summer, even if the soils aren't dry. I presume it is
just the intensity of the sun that must somehow 'damage' the grass.


Can't say I have noticed it here Nick but then we don't get your sunshine
and heat.
We have the sun today but max. just +19.2C with a F3-4 east wind straight
off Lyme Bay. I'm also no expert in botany but you might be right.

Biggest effect in past week has been how well the chrysanthemums are
growing, last year they struggled, but now they are thriving.

Sorry to hear about your allotment, I know how difficult in can be in a dry
soil, I suffered a lot of that in Crowthorne, Berkshire where the soil was
sandy in a dry climate. I have to say, not much sign of rain on the charts
so you will be watering a lot.

I presume you have added a lot of manure etc to keep the moisture in? That
worked for me on my Berkshire sand.

Will
--

On 22/05/2010 14:31, Will Hand wrote:

Grass is growing like there is no tomorrow up here Nick :-(

It was cut last Tuesday and is already another inch higher.

I've never seen the grass brown in Haytor, in 2003 it did stop growing
and started to yellow a bit, but never brown and I have never had a
drought, even now the soil is very moist giving perfect growing
conditions and the plants and veg are loving it.

Will
--



Grow some tropical plants and have your own little rain forest ;-)

Joe Egginton (Hot and bothered)
Wolverhampton
175m asl

On 22/05/2010 12:03, Martin Rowley wrote:

... for three issues in a row (March, April& May), the Met Office
'GloSea' output has indicated 'warm more likely' across much of the
British Isles for June, July& August.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/science/...onal/category/

... they've been wrong before of course, but three outputs with a
consistent message is, shall we say, 'interesting'!

Martin.

Martin, thanks for the reminder for these 'Glosea' Output. Its
interesting looking back that it wasn't until Jan that they changed from
a warm outlook to a cold one. (reminding that they look 3 months ahead)
i.e
Sep W
Oct W
Nov W
Dec W or Avg
Jan C
Feb C
Mar Avg
Apr C in SE but W elsewhere
May W

Phil