Ref: http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/gallery_np.html
If you have broadband and can download the web-cam animations from
camera 2 - the Polar Area Weather System Buoy (PAWS) - you will see a
relatively large yellow object on the right of the screen. Keep an eye
on the object to the left of it and further away. On May 25/26th, this
suddenly starts to move around as a flaw appears between it and the rest
of the instruments.

The pictures from PAWS show some lowering of the snow depth in recent
days as temperatures have risen to +1C but camera-1 on the Polar Ocean
Profiling System Buoy (POPS-13) is showing puddling and temperatures
have reached +2C.

The pictures from camera-2 also show a sun-dog on April 22 and
fog/ice(?)-bows on May 4 and 7.



--
Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks.
E-mail: newsman-AT-scarlet-HYPHEN-jade-DOT-com
Alcohol facts: Healthiest weekly amount is 21-30 units.
Consume 63pw and you'll live only as long as a teetotaller.

On Jun 25, 5:44*pm, Graham P Davis wrote:
Ref:http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/gallery_np.html
If you have broadband and can download the web-cam animations from
camera 2 - the Polar Area Weather System Buoy (PAWS) - you will see a
relatively large yellow object on the right of the screen. Keep an eye
on the object to the left of it and further away. On May 25/26th, this
suddenly starts to move around as a flaw appears between it and the rest
of the instruments.

The pictures from PAWS show some lowering of the snow depth in recent
days as temperatures have risen to +1C but camera-1 on the Polar Ocean
Profiling System Buoy (POPS-13) is showing puddling and temperatures
have reached +2C.

The pictures from camera-2 also show a sun-dog on April 22 and
fog/ice(?)-bows on May 4 and 7.

--
Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks.
E-mail: newsman-AT-scarlet-HYPHEN-jade-DOT-com
Alcohol facts: Healthiest weekly amount is 21-30 units.
Consume 63pw and you'll live only as long as a teetotaller.

Hi Graham,

I have been away for a couple of days, and have come back to
animations, and meltponds on WebCam 2!
http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/latest/noaa2.jpg

The Japanese sea ice EXTENTpages also have their data in spread sheet
format.
http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm
Using my own formula with their data I get get an estimated sea ice
extent of 2 M square kms. That is obtained by assuming that the
current trend for the ice to reduce in extent relative to the average
of the last six years continues increase at the same rate until 1st
September. I don't expect it to give an accurate value but if it is
near then we will have another record melt this year, perhaps breaking
the 2008 record by more than 1 M M km^2.

Until now the Arctic sea ice AREA has not been at record levels for
the time of year, but that now seems to be about to change.
http://arctic-roos.org/observations/...i_ice_area.png

So if you ignore what happened in the Spring then a big melt in the
autumn seems likely.

Cheers, Alastair.

On Jun 27, 11:53*am, Alastair wrote:
On Jun 25, 5:44*pm, Graham P Davis wrote:





Ref:http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/gallery_np.html
If you have broadband and can download the web-cam animations from
camera 2 - the Polar Area Weather System Buoy (PAWS) - you will see a
relatively large yellow object on the right of the screen. Keep an eye
on the object to the left of it and further away. On May 25/26th, this
suddenly starts to move around as a flaw appears between it and the rest
of the instruments.

The pictures from PAWS show some lowering of the snow depth in recent
days as temperatures have risen to +1C but camera-1 on the Polar Ocean
Profiling System Buoy (POPS-13) is showing puddling and temperatures
have reached +2C.

The pictures from camera-2 also show a sun-dog on April 22 and
fog/ice(?)-bows on May 4 and 7.

--
Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks.
E-mail: newsman-AT-scarlet-HYPHEN-jade-DOT-com
Alcohol facts: Healthiest weekly amount is 21-30 units.
Consume 63pw and you'll live only as long as a teetotaller.

Hi Graham,

I have been away for a couple of days, and have come back to
animations, and meltponds on WebCam 2!http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/latest/noaa2.jpg

The Japanese sea ice EXTENTpages also have their data in spread sheet
format.http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm
Using my own formula with their data I get get an estimated sea ice
extent of 2 M square kms. That is obtained by assuming that the
current trend for the ice to reduce in extent relative to the average
of the last six years continues increase at the same rate until 1st
September. *I don't expect it to give an accurate value but if it is
near then we will have another record melt this year, perhaps breaking
the 2008 record by more than 1 M M km^2.

Until now the Arctic sea ice AREA has not been at record levels for
the time of year, but that now seems to be about to change.http://arctic-roos.org/observations/...ice/observatio...

So if you ignore what happened in the Spring then a big melt in the
autumn seems likely.

Cheers, Alastair.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The 2m km2: what does that mean? Is that the value you are estimating
for the summer low?? The current record was set in 2007, not 2008 and
is approx. 4.25m Km2. The value you are projecting would thus be
highly unlikely, even with the present rate of loss!

The IARC is located at Fairbanks, at the Univ of Alaska, BTW, though
it is a joint venture with the Japanese - through a visit to Japan by
a certain ex-vice president (and, for the sake of a few hanging chads,
a very nearly president) of the USA -imagine being spared George Bush!
I believe.

Dawlish wrote:

On Jun 27, 11:53*am, Alastair wrote:
On Jun 25, 5:44*pm, Graham P Davis wrote:





Ref:http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/gallery_np.html
If you have broadband and can download the web-cam animations from
camera 2 - the Polar Area Weather System Buoy (PAWS) - you will see a
relatively large yellow object on the right of the screen. Keep an eye
on the object to the left of it and further away. On May 25/26th, this
suddenly starts to move around as a flaw appears between it and the rest
of the instruments.

The pictures from PAWS show some lowering of the snow depth in recent
days as temperatures have risen to +1C but camera-1 on the Polar Ocean
Profiling System Buoy (POPS-13) is showing puddling and temperatures
have reached +2C.

The pictures from camera-2 also show a sun-dog on April 22 and
fog/ice(?)-bows on May 4 and 7.

--
Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks.
E-mail: newsman-AT-scarlet-HYPHEN-jade-DOT-com
Alcohol facts: Healthiest weekly amount is 21-30 units.
Consume 63pw and you'll live only as long as a teetotaller.

Hi Graham,

I have been away for a couple of days, and have come back to
animations, and meltponds on WebCam 2!http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/latest/noaa2.jpg

The Japanese sea ice EXTENTpages also have their data in spread sheet
format.http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm
Using my own formula with their data I get get an estimated sea ice
extent of 2 M square kms. That is obtained by assuming that the
current trend for the ice to reduce in extent relative to the average
of the last six years continues increase at the same rate until 1st
September. *I don't expect it to give an accurate value but if it is
near then we will have another record melt this year, perhaps breaking
the 2008 record by more than 1 M M km^2.

Until now the Arctic sea ice AREA has not been at record levels for
the time of year, but that now seems to be about to change.http://arctic-roos.org/observations/...ice/observatio...

So if you ignore what happened in the Spring then a big melt in the
autumn seems likely.

Cheers, Alastair.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The 2m km2: what does that mean? Is that the value you are estimating
for the summer low?? The current record was set in 2007, not 2008 and
is approx. 4.25m Km2. The value you are projecting would thus be
highly unlikely, even with the present rate of loss!

The IARC is located at Fairbanks, at the Univ of Alaska, BTW, though
it is a joint venture with the Japanese - through a visit to Japan by
a certain ex-vice president (and, for the sake of a few hanging chads,
a very nearly president) of the USA -imagine being spared George Bush!
I believe.


http://www.arcus.org/search/seaiceoutlook/2010/june

http://www.arcus.org/search/seaiceoutlook/2010/june

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/CT/anim...c.color.0.html

"Alastair" wrote in message
...

http://www.arcus.org/search/seaiceoutlook/2010/june

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/CT/anim...c.color.0.html

Alastair

Security concern noted with link, so I did not open it.

In view of the academic source of the link, will it be safe to do so?

Regards, Roger

On Jun 28, 11:06*am, "Roger Smith" wrote:
"Alastair" wrote in message

...

http://www.arcus.org/search/seaiceoutlook/2010/june

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/CT/anim...c.color.0.html

Alastair

Security concern noted with link, so I did not open it.

In view of the academic source of the link, will it be safe to do so?

Regards, Roger

Hi Roger,

I have opened it with no problems, or even a notification about
security.
It is from the University of Illinois arctic site here
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/
so if you can open that OK, then perhaps you can navigate from there
to the site I posted without a warning.

It is a animation which takes a little time to load. The interesting
point is that over the last couple of days the concentration has
fallen dramatically. Thinking about it, it may be the concentration is
unchanged, but that melt ponds have formed all over the ice.

Cheers, Alastair.

On Jun 28, 10:36*am, Sleepalot wrote:
Dawlish wrote:
On Jun 27, 11:53 am, Alastair wrote:
On Jun 25, 5:44 pm, Graham P Davis wrote:

Ref:http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/gallery_np.html
If you have broadband and can download the web-cam animations from
camera 2 - the Polar Area Weather System Buoy (PAWS) - you will see a
relatively large yellow object on the right of the screen. Keep an eye
on the object to the left of it and further away. On May 25/26th, this
suddenly starts to move around as a flaw appears between it and the rest
of the instruments.

The pictures from PAWS show some lowering of the snow depth in recent
days as temperatures have risen to +1C but camera-1 on the Polar Ocean
Profiling System Buoy (POPS-13) is showing puddling and temperatures
have reached +2C.

The pictures from camera-2 also show a sun-dog on April 22 and
fog/ice(?)-bows on May 4 and 7.

--
Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks.
E-mail: newsman-AT-scarlet-HYPHEN-jade-DOT-com
Alcohol facts: Healthiest weekly amount is 21-30 units.
Consume 63pw and you'll live only as long as a teetotaller.

Hi Graham,

I have been away for a couple of days, and have come back to
animations, and meltponds on WebCam 2!http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/latest/noaa2.jpg

The Japanese sea ice EXTENTpages also have their data in spread sheet
format.http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm
Using my own formula with their data I get get an estimated sea ice
extent of 2 M square kms. That is obtained by assuming that the
current trend for the ice to reduce in extent relative to the average
of the last six years continues increase at the same rate until 1st
September. I don't expect it to give an accurate value but if it is
near then we will have another record melt this year, perhaps breaking
the 2008 record by more than 1 M M km^2.

Until now the Arctic sea ice AREA has not been at record levels for
the time of year, but that now seems to be about to change.http://arctic-roos.org/observations/...ice/observatio...

So if you ignore what happened in the Spring then a big melt in the
autumn seems likely.

Cheers, Alastair.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The 2m km2: what does that mean? Is that the value you are estimating
for the summer low?? The current record was set in 2007, not 2008 and
is approx. 4.25m Km2. The value you are projecting would thus be
highly unlikely, even with the present rate of loss!

The IARC is located at Fairbanks, at the Univ of Alaska, BTW, though
it is a joint venture with the Japanese - through a visit to Japan by
a certain ex-vice president (and, for the sake of a few hanging chads,
a very nearly president) of the USA -imagine being spared George Bush!
I believe.

http://www.arcus.org/search/seaiceoutlook/2010/june- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Yes, thanks, as I said, a low of 2m km2 in September would be highly
unlikely this year.

No worries opening the link Roger.

On 28/06/10 13:03, Alastair wrote:
On Jun 28, 11:06 am, "Roger Smith" wrote:
"Alastair" wrote in message

...

http://www.arcus.org/search/seaiceoutlook/2010/june

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/CT/anim...c.color.0.html

Alastair

Security concern noted with link, so I did not open it.

In view of the academic source of the link, will it be safe to do so?

Regards, Roger

Hi Roger,

I have opened it with no problems, or even a notification about
security.
It is from the University of Illinois arctic site here
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/
so if you can open that OK, then perhaps you can navigate from there
to the site I posted without a warning.

It is a animation which takes a little time to load. The interesting
point is that over the last couple of days the concentration has
fallen dramatically. Thinking about it, it may be the concentration is
unchanged, but that melt ponds have formed all over the ice.


I'm sure of that: http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/latest/noaa2.jpg


--
Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks.
E-mail: newsman-AT-scarlet-HYPHEN-jade-DOT-com
Alcohol facts: Healthiest weekly amount is 21-30 units.
Consume 63 and you'll live only as long as a teetotaller.

"Alastair" wrote in message
...
On Jun 28, 11:06 am, "Roger Smith" wrote:
"Alastair" wrote in message

...

http://www.arcus.org/search/seaiceoutlook/2010/june

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/CT/anim...c.color.0.html

Alastair

Security concern noted with link, so I did not open it.

In view of the academic source of the link, will it be safe to do so?

Regards, Roger

Hi Roger,

I have opened it with no problems, or even a notification about
security.
It is from the University of Illinois arctic site here
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/
so if you can open that OK, then perhaps you can navigate from there
to the site I posted without a warning.

Thanks Alastair.

I was just being a bit cautious knowing the reputation that some academic
sites have had in the past...

Regards, Roger