"Col" wrote in message
...
Dawlish wrote:
On Jul 11, 7:37 pm, Adam Lea wrote:
On 09/07/2010 20:59, Dawlish wrote:

Because of the heat, some in the SE will *die* tonight, who wouldn't
have done, had it been cooler;

snip

Here you go:

http://tinyurl.com/356qwk6

I know. It's just sad when someone just can't see that and tries to
perpetuate their agenda-ridden health and safety polemic when some
people won't have survived the night. Such selfishness and lack of
concern for others is just inexcusable.

It's just a pity the warnings have to sound so melodramatic in order
to get that important message across.
--
Col


I think you have "hit the nail on the head" Col.

Will
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"Liz Owen" wrote in message
...

"Adam Lea" a écrit dans le message de news:
...
On 09/07/2010 20:59, Dawlish wrote:
Because of the heat, some in the SE will *die* tonight, who wouldn't
have done, had it been cooler;

snip

Here you go:

http://tinyurl.com/356qwk6

I can't believe the Brits are only just cottoning on to this; the problems
in France in 2003 and during subsequent hot summers caused a great deal of
heart searching, especially as there were tales (new urban myths?) of
couples plus children scooting off to to 'la Mer' (the Med) or the 'Océan'
(Atalntic coast) for their sacrosanct fortnight, leaving an aged parent to
fend for him or herself, and coming back to a corpse - problem exacerbated
by the French insistence on having their holidays in precisely defined
chunks.
As an aside, I would like to swap half a day of 17° misty West Cumbrian
coast weather (anywhere between Parton and Drigg would do) for what we've
got here in SW France where it is still mid-30s, very heavy and showing no
sign of improving any day soon

Liz Owen


Sorry but this is total over the top nonsense by UKMO and the NHS who seem
to have become partners in propaganda under the last government.


What once when I was a jid was jsut taken as weather i/e sun, wind, heat,
rain, snow, frost and fog , is now seen as an excuse by some moron down at
UKMO to turn the country red.

How did our forefathers ever survive with out this superfluous warnings

Far more people will die in the SE from crime and NHS infection so why not
put out warnings on that in every news bulletin?

I mean the NHS can do something aboput infections not about deadly
heatwaves though

Oops sorry can't do that it's not in the right-on-agenda.

By the way has anyone got a report on the heatwave toll of the last few
days..

If anything a serious warning sould have been about wildlife , especially in
the towns and cities where water just isn't available in sustained dry
periods like this.

"Adam Lea" wrote in message
...
On 09/07/2010 20:59, Dawlish wrote:
Because of the heat, some in the SE will *die* tonight, who wouldn't
have done, had it been cooler;

snip

Here you go:

http://tinyurl.com/356qwk6


Adam you plonker the The Health Protection Agency are part of the problem,
its a state quango that creates fear, which it masters who pay them very
well, then come and save us all.

They have a lovely section on Swine Flu heh heh heh.

http://www.hpa.org.uk/AboutTheHPA/WhoWeAre/

On 11/07/2010 22:14, Dawlish wrote:
On Jul 11, 7:37 pm, Adam wrote:
On 09/07/2010 20:59, Dawlish wrote:

Because of the heat, some in the SE will *die* tonight, who wouldn't
have done, had it been cooler;

snip

Here you go:

http://tinyurl.com/356qwk6

I know. It's just sad when someone just can't see that and tries to
perpetuate their agenda-ridden health and safety polemic when some
people won't have survived the night. Such selfishness and lack of
concern for others is just inexcusable.


Not really, life is all about risk. Is it worth putting out heat
warnings frightening people, when literally one or two may die? There’s
always been a risk of vulnerable people dying in excessive heat or cold.
It is common knowledge and inherent in humans that vulnerable people
should be looked after in excessive heat or cold. The population don’t
need to be told by governmental agencies how to look after vulnerable
people. It's a sense of proportion that has gone out of the window
with the NHS and UKMO. The same lack of proportion from governmental
agencies induces fear and paranoia into the UK population.

--
Joe Egginton
Wolverhampton
175m asl

On Jul 13, 1:18*am, Joe Egginton wrote:
On 11/07/2010 22:14, Dawlish wrote:





On Jul 11, 7:37 pm, Adam *wrote:
On 09/07/2010 20:59, Dawlish wrote:

Because of the heat, some in the SE will *die* tonight, who wouldn't
have done, had it been cooler;

snip

Here you go:

http://tinyurl.com/356qwk6

I know. It's just sad when someone just can't see that and tries to
perpetuate their agenda-ridden health and safety polemic when some
people won't have survived the night. Such selfishness and lack of
concern for others is just inexcusable.

Not really, life is all about risk. *Is it worth putting out heat
warnings frightening people, when literally one or two may die? There’s
always been a risk of vulnerable people dying in excessive heat or cold.
* It is common knowledge and inherent in humans that vulnerable people
should be looked after in excessive heat or cold. *The population don’t
need to be told by governmental agencies how to look after vulnerable
people. * It's a sense of proportion that has gone out of the window
with the NHS and UKMO. *The same lack of proportion from governmental
agencies induces fear and paranoia into the UK population.

--
Joe Egginton
Wolverhampton
175m asl- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I think the idea about "common knowledge" is destroyed in Liz's post
Joe. Go back and read it again. The number and way that older people
died in that canicule was a national embarrassment to France and it
has changed the way that the French react to such forecast heat - and
rightly so. I'm afraid the population really does need to be told how
to look after vulnerable people and the authorities need to put these
plans into place. To do so, they need the first rate advice from the
Met Office. The heat this weekend was very well forecast and the lack
of reported problems is very probably testament to the way the health
service reacted to the excellent advice given to them.

"Dawlish" wrote in message
...
On Jul 13, 1:18 am, Joe Egginton wrote:
On 11/07/2010 22:14, Dawlish wrote:





On Jul 11, 7:37 pm, Adam wrote:
On 09/07/2010 20:59, Dawlish wrote:

Because of the heat, some in the SE will *die* tonight, who wouldn't
have done, had it been cooler;

snip

Here you go:

http://tinyurl.com/356qwk6

I know. It's just sad when someone just can't see that and tries to
perpetuate their agenda-ridden health and safety polemic when some
people won't have survived the night. Such selfishness and lack of
concern for others is just inexcusable.

Not really, life is all about risk. Is it worth putting out heat
warnings frightening people, when literally one or two may die? There’s
always been a risk of vulnerable people dying in excessive heat or cold.
It is common knowledge and inherent in humans that vulnerable people
should be looked after in excessive heat or cold. The population don’t
need to be told by governmental agencies how to look after vulnerable
people. It's a sense of proportion that has gone out of the window
with the NHS and UKMO. The same lack of proportion from governmental
agencies induces fear and paranoia into the UK population.

--
Joe Egginton
Wolverhampton
175m asl- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I think the idea about "common knowledge" is destroyed in Liz's post
Joe. Go back and read it again. The number and way that older people
died in that canicule was a national embarrassment to France and it
has changed the way that the French react to such forecast heat - and
rightly so. I'm afraid the population really does need to be told how
to look after vulnerable people and the authorities need to put these
plans into place. To do so, they need the first rate advice from the
Met Office. The heat this weekend was very well forecast and the lack
of reported problems is very probably testament to the way the health
service reacted to the excellent advice given to them.


Paul, or shall I call you by your surname as you do me; but I digress.

Now this mini warm snap over the last week was not exceptional unlike the
heatwave that hit France in 2003 was exceptional with some parts of France
being above 40c for seven days
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_European_heat_wave The last weekend in
particular was feeble compared to what happened in 2003.

So how many died or did the meto and NHS warnings save thousands.

No the exercise was far more about deflecting from real problems within the
NHS and a fillip for the UKMO AGW cause. Don't forget that UKMO a tax funded
organisation, have taken it upon themselves to become the high priests of
AGW praising Al Gore as a hero the man to save the world; now what would
they say about his beach home? You can huff and puff all you want on this
one as can anybody else, but the fact is that Al Gore's dire warnings of sea
level rise and his actual practice of then buying a sea front home in
untenable and should be an embarrassment to UKMO. However it seems to be
like water of a ducks back where the ideologues at UKMO are concerned, This
would never have happened twenty years ago.

On 13/07/2010 22:20, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Jul 13, 1:18 am, Joe wrote:
On 11/07/2010 22:14, Dawlish wrote:





On Jul 11, 7:37 pm, Adam wrote:
On 09/07/2010 20:59, Dawlish wrote:

Because of the heat, some in the SE will *die* tonight, who wouldn't
have done, had it been cooler;

snip

Here you go:

http://tinyurl.com/356qwk6

I know. It's just sad when someone just can't see that and tries to
perpetuate their agenda-ridden health and safety polemic when some
people won't have survived the night. Such selfishness and lack of
concern for others is just inexcusable.

Not really, life is all about risk. Is it worth putting out heat
warnings frightening people, when literally one or two may die? There’s
always been a risk of vulnerable people dying in excessive heat or cold.
It is common knowledge and inherent in humans that vulnerable people
should be looked after in excessive heat or cold. The population don’t
need to be told by governmental agencies how to look after vulnerable
people. It's a sense of proportion that has gone out of the window
with the NHS and UKMO. The same lack of proportion from governmental
agencies induces fear and paranoia into the UK population.

--
Joe Egginton
Wolverhampton
175m asl- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I think the idea about "common knowledge" is destroyed in Liz's post
Joe. Go back and read it again. The number and way that older people
died in that canicule was a national embarrassment to France and it
has changed the way that the French react to such forecast heat - and
rightly so. I'm afraid the population really does need to be told how
to look after vulnerable people and the authorities need to put these
plans into place. To do so, they need the first rate advice from the
Met Office. The heat this weekend was very well forecast and the lack
of reported problems is very probably testament to the way the health
service reacted to the excellent advice given to them.



Lawrence you're a leftie. Do you read the Guardian or even the Daily
Mirror?

--
Joe Egginton
Wolverhampton
175m asl

On 13/07/2010 22:20, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Jul 13, 1:18 am, Joe wrote:
On 11/07/2010 22:14, Dawlish wrote:

On Jul 11, 7:37 pm, Adam wrote:
On 09/07/2010 20:59, Dawlish wrote:

Because of the heat, some in the SE will *die* tonight, who wouldn't
have done, had it been cooler;

snip

Here you go:

http://tinyurl.com/356qwk6

I know. It's just sad when someone just can't see that and tries to
perpetuate their agenda-ridden health and safety polemic when some
people won't have survived the night. Such selfishness and lack of
concern for others is just inexcusable.

Not really, life is all about risk. Is it worth putting out heat
warnings frightening people, when literally one or two may die? There’s
always been a risk of vulnerable people dying in excessive heat or cold.
It is common knowledge and inherent in humans that vulnerable people
should be looked after in excessive heat or cold. The population don’t
need to be told by governmental agencies how to look after vulnerable
people. It's a sense of proportion that has gone out of the window
with the NHS and UKMO. The same lack of proportion from governmental
agencies induces fear and paranoia into the UK population.

--
Joe Egginton
Wolverhampton
175m asl- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I think the idea about "common knowledge" is destroyed in Liz's post
Joe. Go back and read it again. The number and way that older people
died in that canicule was a national embarrassment to France and it
has changed the way that the French react to such forecast heat - and
rightly so. I'm afraid the population really does need to be told how
to look after vulnerable people and the authorities need to put these
plans into place. To do so, they need the first rate advice from the
Met Office. The heat this weekend was very well forecast and the lack
of reported problems is very probably testament to the way the health
service reacted to the excellent advice given to them.

Probably didn't last long enough to really bite hard, but eventually the
figures will come out. The Torygraph had a relatively balanced article
on the risks of the heatwave for vulnerable groups.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/he...-heatwave.html

Vulnerable groups also include youngsters who are more likely to get
into difficulty swimming in cold water during a heatwave too! A problem
made considerably worse by alcohol.


Paul, or shall I call you by your surname as you do me; but I digress.

Now this mini warm snap over the last week was not exceptional unlike the
heatwave that hit France in 2003 was exceptional with some parts of France
being above 40c for seven days
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_European_heat_wave The last weekend in
particular was feeble compared to what happened in 2003.

So how many died or did the meto and NHS warnings save thousands.

In 2003 the UK had about 3000 extra deaths during the heatwave. That is
not a trivial number. France has special problems in that everyone who
is fit and well leaves the cities at the same time to go to the seaside.
This includes most of the medical staff too!

No the exercise was far more about deflecting from real problems within the
NHS and a fillip for the UKMO AGW cause. Don't forget that UKMO a tax funded
organisation, have taken it upon themselves to become the high priests of
AGW praising Al Gore as a hero the man to save the world; now what would
they say about his beach home? You can huff and puff all you want on this
one as can anybody else, but the fact is that Al Gore's dire warnings of sea
level rise and his actual practice of then buying a sea front home in
untenable and should be an embarrassment to UKMO. However it seems to be
like water of a ducks back where the ideologues at UKMO are concerned, This
would never have happened twenty years ago.

Typical paranoid half-baked righttard garbage - afraid of the facts.
Parts of the UK that are usually well supplied by the Lake District now
have hose pipe bans. AGW is beginning to alter our climate summers will
be hotter still in the future and very probably drier.

Is it all an UKMO conspiracy to distress senile rabid rightwhingers?

Regards,
Martin Brown

On 14/07/2010 00:32, Joe Egginton wrote:
On 13/07/2010 22:20, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Jul 13, 1:18 am, Joe wrote:
On 11/07/2010 22:14, Dawlish wrote:





On Jul 11, 7:37 pm, Adam wrote:
On 09/07/2010 20:59, Dawlish wrote:

Because of the heat, some in the SE will *die* tonight, who wouldn't
have done, had it been cooler;

snip

Here you go:

http://tinyurl.com/356qwk6

I know. It's just sad when someone just can't see that and tries to
perpetuate their agenda-ridden health and safety polemic when some
people won't have survived the night. Such selfishness and lack of
concern for others is just inexcusable.

Not really, life is all about risk. Is it worth putting out heat
warnings frightening people, when literally one or two may die? There’s
always been a risk of vulnerable people dying in excessive heat or cold.
It is common knowledge and inherent in humans that vulnerable people
should be looked after in excessive heat or cold. The population don’t
need to be told by governmental agencies how to look after vulnerable
people. It's a sense of proportion that has gone out of the window
with the NHS and UKMO. The same lack of proportion from governmental
agencies induces fear and paranoia into the UK population.

Actually they do need to be told. There are too many vulnerable old
people that hardly ever see their neighbours from one day to the next.

- Show quoted text -

I think the idea about "common knowledge" is destroyed in Liz's post
Joe. Go back and read it again. The number and way that older people
died in that canicule was a national embarrassment to France and it
has changed the way that the French react to such forecast heat - and
rightly so. I'm afraid the population really does need to be told how
to look after vulnerable people and the authorities need to put these
plans into place. To do so, they need the first rate advice from the
Met Office. The heat this weekend was very well forecast and the lack
of reported problems is very probably testament to the way the health
service reacted to the excellent advice given to them.



Lawrence you're a leftie. Do you read the Guardian or even the Daily
Mirror?

You are quoting Dawlish there. Check the attributions in the thread.

Lawrence is a rightard too dumb even to quote Usenet posts properly.

Regards,
Martin Brown

On 14/07/10 08:02, Martin Brown wrote:
Lawrence is a rightard too dumb even to quote Usenet posts properly.

To be fair to Lawrence, most of the blame is down to people using crappy
Google and MS software. All the same, Lawrence could do as Will does and
manually put a separator after the text he's replying to. Better still,
he could use a proper newsreader - as should all Google-groups posters.

--
Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. E-mail: newsman, not newsboy
Alcohol facts: Healthiest weekly amount is 21-30 units.
Consume 63 and you'll live only as long as a teetotaller.