On 13/07/2010 15:43, Dawlish wrote:
On Jul 13, 1:18 am, Joe wrote:
On 11/07/2010 22:14, Dawlish wrote:





On Jul 11, 7:37 pm, Adam wrote:
On 09/07/2010 20:59, Dawlish wrote:

Because of the heat, some in the SE will *die* tonight, who wouldn't
have done, had it been cooler;

snip

Here you go:

http://tinyurl.com/356qwk6

I know. It's just sad when someone just can't see that and tries to
perpetuate their agenda-ridden health and safety polemic when some
people won't have survived the night. Such selfishness and lack of
concern for others is just inexcusable.

Not really, life is all about risk. Is it worth putting out heat
warnings frightening people, when literally one or two may die? There’s
always been a risk of vulnerable people dying in excessive heat or cold.
It is common knowledge and inherent in humans that vulnerable people
should be looked after in excessive heat or cold. The population don’t
need to be told by governmental agencies how to look after vulnerable
people. It's a sense of proportion that has gone out of the window
with the NHS and UKMO. The same lack of proportion from governmental
agencies induces fear and paranoia into the UK population.

--
Joe Egginton
Wolverhampton
175m asl- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I think the idea about "common knowledge" is destroyed in Liz's post
Joe. Go back and read it again. The number and way that older people
died in that canicule was a national embarrassment to France and it
has changed the way that the French react to such forecast heat - and
rightly so. I'm afraid the population really does need to be told how
to look after vulnerable people and the authorities need to put these
plans into place. To do so, they need the first rate advice from the
Met Office. The heat this weekend was very well forecast and the lack
of reported problems is very probably testament to the way the health
service reacted to the excellent advice given to them.

People learn from their mistakes. Admittedly some people may be selfish
and there will always be vulnerable people dying in extreme weather
conditions.

--
Joe Egginton
Wolverhampton
175m asl

Typical paranoid half-baked righttard garbage - afraid of the facts.
Parts of the UK that are usually well supplied by the Lake District
now
have hose pipe bans. AGW is beginning to alter our climate summers
will
be hotter still in the future and very probably drier.

Is it all an UKMO conspiracy to distress senile rabid rightwhingers?

Agreed Martin. One would think that an advocate of social Darwinism
might be able to at least
sound coherent and rational, but it's certainly not so in his case.

On Jul 14, 6:58*pm, Martin Brown
wrote:
On 13/07/2010 22:20, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:





*wrote in message
....
On Jul 13, 1:18 am, Joe *wrote:
On 11/07/2010 22:14, Dawlish wrote:

On Jul 11, 7:37 pm, Adam *wrote:
On 09/07/2010 20:59, Dawlish wrote:

Because of the heat, some in the SE will *die* tonight, who wouldn't
have done, had it been cooler;

snip

Here you go:

http://tinyurl.com/356qwk6

I know. It's just sad when someone just can't see that and tries to
perpetuate their agenda-ridden health and safety polemic when some
people won't have survived the night. Such selfishness and lack of
concern for others is just inexcusable.

Not really, life is all about risk. Is it worth putting out heat
warnings frightening people, when literally one or two may die? There’s
always been a risk of vulnerable people dying in excessive heat or cold.
It is common knowledge and inherent in humans that vulnerable people
should be looked after in excessive heat or cold. The population don’t
need to be told by governmental agencies how to look after vulnerable
people. It's a sense of proportion that has gone out of the window
with the NHS and UKMO. The same lack of proportion from governmental
agencies induces fear and paranoia into the UK population.

--
Joe Egginton
Wolverhampton
175m asl- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I think the idea about "common knowledge" is destroyed in Liz's post
Joe. Go back and read it again. The number and way that older people
died in that canicule was a national embarrassment to France and it
has changed the way that the French react to such forecast heat - and
rightly so. I'm afraid the population really does need to be told how
to look after vulnerable people and the authorities need to put these
plans into place. To do so, they need the first rate advice from the
Met Office. The heat this weekend was very well forecast and the lack
of reported problems is very probably testament to the way the health
service reacted to the excellent advice given to them.

Probably didn't last long enough to really bite hard, but eventually the
figures will come out. The Torygraph had a relatively balanced article
on the risks of the heatwave for vulnerable groups.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/he...se-in-deaths-a...

Vulnerable groups also include youngsters who are more likely to get
into difficulty swimming in cold water during a heatwave too! A problem
made considerably worse by alcohol.



Paul, or shall I call you by your surname as you do me; but I digress.

Now this mini warm snap over the last week was not exceptional unlike the
heatwave that hit France in 2003 was exceptional with some parts of France
being above 40c for seven days
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Eu..._heat_wave*The last weekend in
particular was feeble compared to what happened in 2003.

So how many died or did the meto and NHS warnings save thousands.

In 2003 the UK had about 3000 extra deaths during the heatwave. That is
not a trivial number. France has special problems in that everyone who
is fit and well leaves the cities at the same time to go to the seaside.
This includes most of the medical staff too!



No the exercise was far more about deflecting from real problems within the
NHS and a fillip for the UKMO AGW cause. Don't forget that UKMO a tax funded
organisation, have taken it upon themselves to become the high priests of
AGW praising Al Gore as a hero the man to save the world; now what would
they say about his beach home? *You can huff and puff all you want on this
one as can anybody else, but the fact is that Al Gore's dire warnings of sea
level rise and his actual practice of then buying a sea front home in
untenable and should be an embarrassment to UKMO. However it seems to be
like water of a ducks back where the ideologues at UKMO are concerned, This
would never have happened twenty years ago.

Typical paranoid half-baked righttard garbage - afraid of the facts.
Parts of the UK that are usually well supplied by the Lake District now
have hose pipe bans. AGW is beginning to alter our climate summers will
be hotter still in the future and very probably drier.

Is it all an UKMO conspiracy to distress senile rabid rightwhingers?

Regards,
Martin Brown- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Agreed Martin. One would think that an advocate of social Darwinism
might be able to at least
sound coherent and rational, but it's certainly not so in his case.

"Martin Brown" wrote in message
...
On 14/07/2010 00:32, Joe Egginton wrote:
On 13/07/2010 22:20, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Jul 13, 1:18 am, Joe wrote:
On 11/07/2010 22:14, Dawlish wrote:





On Jul 11, 7:37 pm, Adam wrote:
On 09/07/2010 20:59, Dawlish wrote:

Because of the heat, some in the SE will *die* tonight, who wouldn't
have done, had it been cooler;

snip

Here you go:

http://tinyurl.com/356qwk6

I know. It's just sad when someone just can't see that and tries to
perpetuate their agenda-ridden health and safety polemic when some
people won't have survived the night. Such selfishness and lack of
concern for others is just inexcusable.

Not really, life is all about risk. Is it worth putting out heat
warnings frightening people, when literally one or two may die? There’s
always been a risk of vulnerable people dying in excessive heat or
cold.
It is common knowledge and inherent in humans that vulnerable people
should be looked after in excessive heat or cold. The population don’t
need to be told by governmental agencies how to look after vulnerable
people. It's a sense of proportion that has gone out of the window
with the NHS and UKMO. The same lack of proportion from governmental
agencies induces fear and paranoia into the UK population.

Actually they do need to be told. There are too many vulnerable old people
that hardly ever see their neighbours from one day to the next.

- Show quoted text -

I think the idea about "common knowledge" is destroyed in Liz's post
Joe. Go back and read it again. The number and way that older people
died in that canicule was a national embarrassment to France and it
has changed the way that the French react to such forecast heat - and
rightly so. I'm afraid the population really does need to be told how
to look after vulnerable people and the authorities need to put these
plans into place. To do so, they need the first rate advice from the
Met Office. The heat this weekend was very well forecast and the lack
of reported problems is very probably testament to the way the health
service reacted to the excellent advice given to them.



Lawrence you're a leftie. Do you read the Guardian or even the Daily
Mirror?

You are quoting Dawlish there. Check the attributions in the thread.

Lawrence is a rightard too dumb even to quote Usenet posts properly.

Regards,
Martin Brown

Charming Martin-thanks

"RWood" wrote in message
...
Typical paranoid half-baked righttard garbage - afraid of the facts.
Parts of the UK that are usually well supplied by the Lake District
now
have hose pipe bans. AGW is beginning to alter our climate summers
will
be hotter still in the future and very probably drier.

Is it all an UKMO conspiracy to distress senile rabid rightwhingers?

Agreed Martin. One would think that an advocate of social Darwinism
might be able to at least
sound coherent and rational, but it's certainly not so in his case.


You are just a left -wing fascist who would have every so called denier
burnt at a low carbon emitting 'cap and trade' stake

"Martin Brown" wrote in message
...
On 13/07/2010 22:20, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Jul 13, 1:18 am, Joe wrote:
On 11/07/2010 22:14, Dawlish wrote:

On Jul 11, 7:37 pm, Adam wrote:
On 09/07/2010 20:59, Dawlish wrote:

Because of the heat, some in the SE will *die* tonight, who wouldn't
have done, had it been cooler;

snip

Here you go:

http://tinyurl.com/356qwk6

I know. It's just sad when someone just can't see that and tries to
perpetuate their agenda-ridden health and safety polemic when some
people won't have survived the night. Such selfishness and lack of
concern for others is just inexcusable.

Not really, life is all about risk. Is it worth putting out heat
warnings frightening people, when literally one or two may die? There’s
always been a risk of vulnerable people dying in excessive heat or cold.
It is common knowledge and inherent in humans that vulnerable people
should be looked after in excessive heat or cold. The population don’t
need to be told by governmental agencies how to look after vulnerable
people. It's a sense of proportion that has gone out of the window
with the NHS and UKMO. The same lack of proportion from governmental
agencies induces fear and paranoia into the UK population.

--
Joe Egginton
Wolverhampton
175m asl- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I think the idea about "common knowledge" is destroyed in Liz's post
Joe. Go back and read it again. The number and way that older people
died in that canicule was a national embarrassment to France and it
has changed the way that the French react to such forecast heat - and
rightly so. I'm afraid the population really does need to be told how
to look after vulnerable people and the authorities need to put these
plans into place. To do so, they need the first rate advice from the
Met Office. The heat this weekend was very well forecast and the lack
of reported problems is very probably testament to the way the health
service reacted to the excellent advice given to them.

Probably didn't last long enough to really bite hard, but eventually the
figures will come out. The Torygraph had a relatively balanced article on
the risks of the heatwave for vulnerable groups.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/he...-heatwave.html

Vulnerable groups also include youngsters who are more likely to get into
difficulty swimming in cold water during a heatwave too! A problem made
considerably worse by alcohol.


Paul, or shall I call you by your surname as you do me; but I digress.

Now this mini warm snap over the last week was not exceptional unlike the
heatwave that hit France in 2003 was exceptional with some parts of
France
being above 40c for seven days
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_European_heat_wave The last weekend in
particular was feeble compared to what happened in 2003.

So how many died or did the meto and NHS warnings save thousands.

In 2003 the UK had about 3000 extra deaths during the heatwave. That is
not a trivial number. France has special problems in that everyone who is
fit and well leaves the cities at the same time to go to the seaside. This
includes most of the medical staff too!

No the exercise was far more about deflecting from real problems within
the
NHS and a fillip for the UKMO AGW cause. Don't forget that UKMO a tax
funded
organisation, have taken it upon themselves to become the high priests of
AGW praising Al Gore as a hero the man to save the world; now what would
they say about his beach home? You can huff and puff all you want on
this
one as can anybody else, but the fact is that Al Gore's dire warnings of
sea
level rise and his actual practice of then buying a sea front home in
untenable and should be an embarrassment to UKMO. However it seems to be
like water of a ducks back where the ideologues at UKMO are concerned,
This
would never have happened twenty years ago.

Typical paranoid half-baked righttard garbage - afraid of the facts. Parts
of the UK that are usually well supplied by the Lake District now have
hose pipe bans. AGW is beginning to alter our climate summers will be
hotter still in the future and very probably drier.

Is it all an UKMO conspiracy to distress senile rabid rightwhingers?

Regards,
Martin Brown


Sorry Martin me old mucker, I thought we were talking about OTT heatwave
warnings not drought.