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Its raining here (shower) and the sun is shining - my pal Jem said the other
day when that happened..

"time for a Monkey's wedding that" - ie when the sun shines and there is a
shower at the same time then it is time for a Monkey's wedding

anyone heard that saying?

needless to say whenever this happens i now remark that it is time for a
monkeys wedding - its hard not to.

brian
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Its raining here (shower) and the sun is

shining - my pal Jem said the other
day when that happened..

"time for a Monkey's wedding that" - ie when the

sun shines and there is a
shower at the same time then it is time for a

Monkey's wedding

anyone heard that saying?

needless to say whenever this happens i now

remark that it is time for a
monkeys wedding - its hard not to.

brian
monkey's wedding
aberfeldy

First hit on Google give the following

It’s certainly a well-known South African
expression. A related Afrikaans word, jakkalstrou,
jackals wedding, also exists. The South African
English version is the direct equivalent (what
linguists call a loan translation) of the Zulu
umshado wezinkawu, a wedding for monkeys.
Back in 1998, Bert Vaux, Assistant Professor of
Linguistics at Harvard, asked members of the
LINGUIST List about expressions for this weather
phenomenon (he called it a sunshower, a lovely
name, which I’ve never heard but which I’m told is
common in the US, Canada, Australia and New
Zealand, and also in parts of Britain,
though—oddly enough—it appears in few
dictionaries). He was told that similar sayings or
proverbs exist in a surprising number of
languages. A great many of them have animal
associations, often to do with marriage (or, as
one respondent commented, that activity for which
the word marriage may be considered a suitable
euphemism).
In Arabic, it seems the term is “the rats are
getting married”, while Bulgarians prefer to speak
of bears doing so; Mr Vaux was told that in Hindi
it becomes “the jackal’s wedding”; in Calabria, it
is said that “when it rains with sun, the foxes
are getting married”, for which there’s a similar
phrase in Japanese; Koreans refer to tigers
likewise; there’s even an English dialect term,
“the foxes’ wedding”, known from the south west,
it seems. However, in Polish, the saying is that
“when the sun is shining and the rain is raining,
the witch is making butter”.
Several languages refer to devils instead, as in
Turkish: “the devils are getting married”. There’s
a well-known version in the American South, at
least among older people: “The devil’s behind his
kitchen door beating his wife with a frying pan”,
usually shortened just to “The devil’s beating his
wife”.
With so many examples from different languages, it
is certainly possible that there’s also an Irish
version, though I haven’t come across one.
However, I am baffled as to why and how such
phrases should have arisen. There’s clearly a
common association that is understood by widely
divergent language communities, so it seems to be
something at a level below that of superficial
culture. But what is it?



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"time for a Monkey's wedding that" - ie when the sun shines and there is a


Brian,

I've never heard of it..... wonder if it is a regional expression? Will be
interested to see where the responses acknowledge it's use..... bet it's
northern ;-)

A


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"AliCat" wrote in news:bjqbgd$m8t60$1@ID-
Back in 1998, Bert Vaux, Assistant Professor of
Linguistics at Harvard, asked members of the
LINGUIST List about expressions for this weather
phenomenon (he called it a sunshower, a lovely
name, which I’ve never heard but which I’m told is
common in the US, Canada, Australia and New
Zealand, and also in parts of Britain,
though—oddly enough—it appears in few
dictionaries).


I know it is common in Scotland but have never heard the term in the
US or Canada.

Tufts
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"Tufts" wrote in message
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"AliCat" wrote in news:bjqbgd$m8t60$1@ID-
Back in 1998, Bert Vaux, Assistant Professor of
Linguistics at Harvard, asked members of the
LINGUIST List about expressions for this weather
phenomenon (he called it a sunshower, a lovely
name, which I've never heard but which I'm told is
common in the US, Canada, Australia and New
Zealand, and also in parts of Britain,
though-oddly enough-it appears in few
dictionaries).


I know it is common in Scotland but have never heard the term in the
US or Canada.


We use the term sunshower in south Cumbria, which links in well enough with
Scotland

Jim Webster

Tufts





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Its raining here (shower) and the sun is shining - my pal Jem said
the other day when that happened..
"time for a Monkey's wedding that" - ie when the sun shines and there
is a shower at the same time then it is time for a Monkey's wedding
anyone heard that saying?


My girlfriend uses it - she got it from her mother, who was born in
Quetta (Northwest Frontier, Baluchistan) in the 1920s and brought up
by an Indian ayah. Nobody without a colonial background seems to get
it, so she's always assumed it was an Anglo-Indian expression.

There is an excellent Anglo-Indian dictionary, "Hobson-Jobson", that
was being sold in a bargain paperback reprint a few years ago, but
I don't have it. Anybody got it and want to look this up?

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"Brian Blair" wrote in message
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"time for a Monkey's wedding that" - ie when the sun shines and there

is a
shower at the same time then it is time for a Monkey's wedding

anyone heard that saying?

snipit

'Monkey's birthday' was the common expression down here when I was young
usually followed by some joke at the expense of anyone with a birthday
at the time.

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