On Tuesday 02 November 2010 17:41, Teignmouth scribbled:

Here's the link for SW England, cos that's where I live.

http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?a...;loc=SWEngland

And here's the full winter F/C:
http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?a...forecast;sess=

--
Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. E-mail: "newsman", not "newsboy".
"It pays to keep an open mind, but not so open your brains fall out." - Carl
Sagan

In article ,
Graham P Davis writes:
On Tuesday 02 November 2010 17:41, Teignmouth scribbled:

Here's the link for SW England, cos that's where I live.

http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?a...;loc=SWEngland

And here's the full winter F/C:
http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?a...forecast;sess=


I see that, unlike many commercial outfits who attempt to make seasonal
forecasts, they describe their methodology. It looks to me - admittedly
no expert - that though their forecast may well be wrong it deserves to
be taken seriously.
--
John Hall
"I look upon it, that he who does not mind his belly,
will hardly mind anything else."
Dr Samuel Johnson (1709-84)

On 2 Nov, 21:20, John Hall wrote:

I see that, unlike many commercial outfits who attempt to make seasonal
forecasts, they describe their methodology. It looks to me - admittedly
no expert - that though their forecast may well be wrong it deserves to
be taken seriously.

Always worth a look - especially if there's some sort of consensus in
different methods, not that last year was much to go on.

Richard

On Nov 2, 9:20*pm, John Hall wrote:
In article ,
*Graham P Davis writes:

On Tuesday 02 November 2010 17:41, Teignmouth scribbled:

Here's the link for SW England, cos that's where I live.

http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?a...;loc=SWEngland

And here's the full winter F/C:
http://www.netweather.tv/index.cgi?a...nter-forecast;...

I see that, unlike many commercial outfits who attempt to make seasonal
forecasts, they describe their methodology. It looks to me - admittedly
no expert - that though their forecast may well be wrong it deserves to
be taken seriously.
--
John Hall
* * * * * * * *"I look upon it, that he who does not mind his belly,
* * * * * * * * will hardly mind anything else."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Dr Samuel Johnson (1709-84)


It's another forecast; no more. They appear to be going down the road
of saying that La Nina will affect our winter, but they don't refer to
any research. What research there is not conclusive about the link
from the Equatorial Pacific to us in the UK in a La Nina winter (or an
El Nino, or transition winter either!). I think they are looking at
the main difference in conditions between this winter and last and
guessing that the kind of winter we will have will be different to
last year; hence the colder and drier forecast. *No-one* including
netweather has any decent track record in seasonal forecasting, so why
should we really take any of them seriously? When someone gets it
right around 75% of the time over about a dozen seasons, I'll begin to
start taking an interest in what they are doing. No-one appears to
have managed to do that yet.

I'm incredibly frustrated by the lack of progress in seasonal
forecasting over the last 20 years. Far more research is needed and we
are nowhere near being able to forecast this winter's weather with any
confidence. The demand for people to be able to get it right is great,
but no-one can meet the demand. That creates a market for the
commercials. The commercials also have a vested interest in drumming
up business and if they mention cold, it will wed most of their
participants to their site, as they will be hoping they've got it
right. If they say "cold" they'll also get far more publicity than if
they say "mild". It will also attact new coldies because they will
think that someone has found the holy grail of forecasting a cold
winter. They haven't. Really; they haven't.

Frustrating; pretty hopeless; not what the coldies will want to hear,
but there you go.

can you do better then?
no.

you dont even have the balls to issue one.

case closed.

charlatan 100%


On 03/11/2010 12:53 PM, Dawlish wrote:

It's another forecast; no more. They appear to be going down the road
of saying that La Nina will affect our winter, but they don't refer to
any research. What research there is not conclusive about the link
from the Equatorial Pacific to us in the UK in a La Nina winter (or an
El Nino, or transition winter either!). I think they are looking at
the main difference in conditions between this winter and last and
guessing that the kind of winter we will have will be different to
last year; hence the colder and drier forecast. *No-one* including
netweather has any decent track record in seasonal forecasting, so why
should we really take any of them seriously? When someone gets it
right around 75% of the time over about a dozen seasons, I'll begin to
start taking an interest in what they are doing. No-one appears to
have managed to do that yet.

I'm incredibly frustrated by the lack of progress in seasonal
forecasting over the last 20 years. Far more research is needed and we
are nowhere near being able to forecast this winter's weather with any
confidence. The demand for people to be able to get it right is great,
but no-one can meet the demand. That creates a market for the
commercials. The commercials also have a vested interest in drumming
up business and if they mention cold, it will wed most of their
participants to their site, as they will be hoping they've got it
right. If they say "cold" they'll also get far more publicity than if
they say "mild". It will also attact new coldies because they will
think that someone has found the holy grail of forecasting a cold
winter. They haven't. Really; they haven't.

Frustrating; pretty hopeless; not what the coldies will want to hear,
but there you go.

I like the Charlatans, great band http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhSA8FwdS2A

"Teignmouth" wrote in message
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I like the Charlatans, great band http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhSA8FwdS2

Great track, bought that as a single.

But never mind all that, why is Dawlish any more of a 'charlatan' for
his forecasts, for which he clearly identifies the criteria they are issued
under, and those who brag about their 'successes' yet conveniently
forget about their failures.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

oh happy days before ogre

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNl-J...eature=related

enjoy

On 03/11/2010 10:17 PM, Col wrote:


But never mind all that, why is Dawlish any more of a 'charlatan'

On Nov 3, 10:17*pm, "Col" wrote:
"Teignmouth" wrote in message

...

I like the Charlatans, great bandhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhSA8FwdS2

Great track, bought that as a single.

But never mind all that, why is Dawlish any more of a 'charlatan' for
his forecasts, for which he clearly identifies the criteria they are issued
under, and those who brag about their 'successes' yet conveniently
forget about their failures.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

He's replied to a stalker Col, who'd not even worth wiping from the
sole of your shoe. I actually like the Chartatans too. Terrific band.
Tend to be folllowed by herds of sheep on fora, if I remember rightly.

no forecast?

On 03/11/2010 10:17 PM, Col wrote:

But never mind all that, why is Dawlish any more of a 'charlatan' for
his forecasts,