Some amazing charts tonight there's one synoptic set up showing as Steve
Murr said on TWO -a cross polar flow. Now that really does look grotesquely
special http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmw...1-216.GIF?07-0

It's like the NH climate is taking drugs !!!!!! Quite unerving to see such
set ups

Of course if the GFS is on the right track then its time for rehab

"Lawrence Jenkins" wrote in message
eb.com...
Some amazing charts tonight there's one synoptic set up showing as Steve
Murr said on TWO -a cross polar flow. Now that really does look
grotesquely special
http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmw...1-216.GIF?07-0


Mega!!! :-)

This winter is going to be historic. Already records are being smashed.

Does anyone know where I can get some *really strong* tranquilisers, I'm so
excited nowadays looking at the charts and photos I'm shaking?

Eskimo Will
--

On 07/12/2010 19:50, Will Hand wrote:

"Lawrence Jenkins" wrote in message
eb.com...
Some amazing charts tonight there's one synoptic set up showing as
Steve Murr said on TWO -a cross polar flow. Now that really does look
grotesquely special
http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmw...1-216.GIF?07-0


Mega!!! :-)

This winter is going to be historic. Already records are being smashed.

Does anyone know where I can get some *really strong* tranquilisers, I'm
so excited nowadays looking at the charts and photos I'm shaking?

Eskimo Will

Will

I suggest two hours of the BBC Parliament channel (House of Lords) a day
for two weeks

Doctor Chris

"chris1m" wrote in message
...
On 07/12/2010 19:50, Will Hand wrote:

"Lawrence Jenkins" wrote in message
eb.com...
Some amazing charts tonight there's one synoptic set up showing as
Steve Murr said on TWO -a cross polar flow. Now that really does look
grotesquely special
http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmw...1-216.GIF?07-0


Mega!!! :-)

This winter is going to be historic. Already records are being smashed.

Does anyone know where I can get some *really strong* tranquilisers, I'm
so excited nowadays looking at the charts and photos I'm shaking?

Eskimo Will

Will

I suggest two hours of the BBC Parliament channel (House of Lords) a day
for two weeks

Doctor Chris

LOL yes that should work!

Will
--

"Lawrence Jenkins" wrote in message
eb.com...
Some amazing charts tonight there's one synoptic set up showing as Steve
Murr said on TWO -a cross polar flow. Now that really does look
grotesquely special
http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmw...1-216.GIF?07-0

It's like the NH climate is taking drugs !!!!!! Quite unerving to see
such set ups

I've never really looked at polar orientated charts like this so
I don't know how unusual this set-up is. What I always thought
of the North Pole in winter was a weak area of high pressure
(or at least a col) with low pressure systmems circulating around it.

What difference would it make if our arctic northerly happened to
start off life as a southerly from the Atleutian Islands?

It's all just polar air and the wind at the North Pole is *always*
a southerly
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

"Will Hand" wrote in message
...

"Lawrence Jenkins" wrote in message
eb.com...
Some amazing charts tonight there's one synoptic set up showing as Steve
Murr said on TWO -a cross polar flow. Now that really does look
grotesquely special
http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmw...1-216.GIF?07-0


Mega!!! :-)

This winter is going to be historic. Already records are being smashed.

Does anyone know where I can get some *really strong* tranquilisers, I'm
so excited nowadays looking at the charts and photos I'm shaking?

Nurse!!!
He's out of bed again
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

On Dec 7, 7:50*pm, "Will Hand" wrote:
"Lawrence Jenkins" wrote in message

eb.com...

Some amazing charts tonight there's one synoptic set up showing as Steve
Murr said on TWO -a cross polar flow. Now that really does look
grotesquely special
http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmw...1-216.GIF?07-0

Mega!!! :-)

This winter is going to be historic. Already records are being smashed.

Does anyone know where I can get some *really strong* tranquilisers, I'm so
excited nowadays looking at the charts and photos I'm shaking?

Eskimo Will
--

Will, calm down. This ramping is getting silly. It's only 3 weeks
since you forecast an average winter and were seeing no signs that it
would be as cold as the last one. Now the winter is going to be
"historic". Which is correct and what has changed in 3 weeks? The
charts show cold out to 10 days. No-one knows what the weather will be
like much after that. The winter may indeed be "historic", but as
absolutely no-one was forecasting that for the UK 3 weeks ago, why
should we believe anyone who is now forecasting it 3 weeks later? What
this proves is that either your original forecast is a guess (unless
it turns milder by Christmas and stays reasonabley mild with a few
colder spells, which it could do, of course) or this spot of ramping
is a hopecast.

Happens every winter. It's just that this winter, it is presently
cold, so we get this silly desperate hoping that we'll see a winter of
epic proportions. We may, but at this stage, just like 3 weeks ago, no-
one knows.

On Dec 7, 8:07*pm, Dawlish wrote:
On Dec 7, 7:50*pm, "Will Hand" wrote:



"Lawrence Jenkins" wrote in message

web.com...

Some amazing charts tonight there's one synoptic set up showing as Steve
Murr said on TWO -a cross polar flow. Now that really does look
grotesquely special
http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmw...1-216.GIF?07-0

Mega!!! :-)

This winter is going to be historic. Already records are being smashed.

Does anyone know where I can get some *really strong* tranquilisers, I'm so
excited nowadays looking at the charts and photos I'm shaking?

Eskimo Will
--

Will, calm down. This ramping is getting silly. It's only 3 weeks
since you forecast an average winter and were seeing no signs that it
would be as cold as the last one. Now the winter is going to be
"historic". Which is correct and what has changed in 3 weeks? The
charts show cold out to 10 days. No-one knows what the weather will be
like much after that. The winter may indeed be "historic", but as
absolutely no-one was forecasting that for the UK 3 weeks ago, why
should we believe anyone who is now forecasting it 3 weeks later? What
this proves is that either your original forecast is a guess (unless
it turns milder by Christmas and stays reasonabley mild with a few
colder spells, which it could do, of course) or this spot of ramping
is a hopecast.

Happens every winter. It's just that this winter, it is presently
cold, so we get this silly desperate hoping that we'll see a winter of
epic proportions. We may, but at this stage, just like 3 weeks ago, no-
one knows.

I have no doubt that this severe cold will be all over for the UK soon
after Christmas and Most of January and February will be normal
service resumes. But that is just my gut feeling as it has come so
early.

Keith (Southend)
http://www.southendweather.net
"Weather Home & Abroad"

On 07/12/2010 20:02, Col wrote:
"Lawrence wrote in message
eb.com...
Some amazing charts tonight there's one synoptic set up showing as Steve
Murr said on TWO -a cross polar flow. Now that really does look
grotesquely special
http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmw...1-216.GIF?07-0

It's like the NH climate is taking drugs !!!!!! Quite unerving to see
such set ups
I've never really looked at polar orientated charts like this so
I don't know how unusual this set-up is. What I always thought
of the North Pole in winter was a weak area of high pressure
(or at least a col) with low pressure systmems circulating around it.

What difference would it make if our arctic northerly happened to
start off life as a southerly from the Atleutian Islands?

It's all just polar air and the wind at the North Pole is *always*
a southerly
The situation at our end of the globe is a bit more interesting than the
Antarctic. The South Pole is in the middle of a large and very cold
continent covered with ice. This produces a strong polar vortex - at
least in the middle to upper atmosphere - and the Antarctic cold is also
"protected" to a large extent by ocean currents.

In the Arctic, the North Pole and surrounding regions are not the
coldest areas. It gets much colder in Siberia and considerably colder
in the Canadian Arctic. There is also the Greenland ice-cap which is
some distance from the North Pole.

So you would expect to see a more complex flow in the Arctic basin
because the temperature pattern is not as straightforward as it is near
the South Pole.

Warming of the Arctic Ocean and reduction of the sea ice extent would
further complicate the situation. I recall someone (was it Will?)
remarking on here that climate warming in the Arctic might produce more
of these cold winter episodes round our part of the world by disrupting
the flow pattern and so weaken the expected westerly winds.

--
- Yokel -

Yokel posts via a spam-trap account which is not read

On 07/12/10 20:07, Dawlish wrote:
On Dec 7, 7:50 pm, "Will wrote:
"Lawrence wrote in message

eb.com...

Some amazing charts tonight there's one synoptic set up showing as Steve
Murr said on TWO -a cross polar flow. Now that really does look
grotesquely special
http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmw...1-216.GIF?07-0

Mega!!! :-)

This winter is going to be historic. Already records are being smashed.

Does anyone know where I can get some *really strong* tranquilisers, I'm so
excited nowadays looking at the charts and photos I'm shaking?

Eskimo Will
--

Will, calm down. This ramping is getting silly. It's only 3 weeks
since you forecast an average winter and were seeing no signs that it
would be as cold as the last one. Now the winter is going to be
"historic". Which is correct and what has changed in 3 weeks? The
charts show cold out to 10 days. No-one knows what the weather will be
like much after that. The winter may indeed be "historic", but as
absolutely no-one was forecasting that for the UK 3 weeks ago, why
should we believe anyone who is now forecasting it 3 weeks later? What
this proves is that either your original forecast is a guess (unless
it turns milder by Christmas and stays reasonabley mild with a few
colder spells, which it could do, of course) or this spot of ramping
is a hopecast.

Happens every winter. It's just that this winter, it is presently
cold, so we get this silly desperate hoping that we'll see a winter of
epic proportions. We may, but at this stage, just like 3 weeks ago, no-
one knows.

The Arctic oscillation is forecast to become strongly negative towards
the middle of the month. That would be consistent with frequent cold
blasts over the UK and Europe over that period.

http://www.cpc.noaa.gov/products/pre...dex_ensm.shtml