I hate to pour cold water on this, but according to my own readings,
the only ones I can trust since climategate, this month is shaping up
to be the warmest February on record, La Nina or no la Nina. About
+4C on the 1981-2010 averages, although we have half the month still
to go.


--
Visit my weather station at
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/m.dixon4/Cumulus/index.htm

Believing is the start of everything to come. - Hayley Westenra

On Feb 15, 8:21*pm, Dawlish wrote:
On Feb 15, 7:51*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:





On Feb 15, 5:56*pm, Dawlish wrote:

On Feb 15, 4:19*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:

On Feb 15, 10:01*am, Rupert Wood wrote:

On Feb 15, 11:20*am, Lawrence13 wrote:

On Feb 14, 8:54*pm, Dawlish wrote:

On Feb 14, 7:34*pm, "Lawrence Jenkins" wrote:

Well folks that remarkable drop in global temperatures continues apace, in
several days time we could have the lowest February global temp since 2002.

Reminds *me kinda of Willie Nelson. Aint it funny , how Joe got it right. Or
aint it funny how the heat slips away.

I'm putting out an appeal at this point: Can anyone link me to or point me
to any statement by the IPCC or Hadley or Al Gore or Paul Nurse or the UKMO
where this fall was predicted?

Anyone?

All links appreciated.

Oops almost forgothttp://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/execute.csh?amsutemps

Wow, coldest February day to day comparison (maybe, if a trend
continues for a few days more, coz it's not quite there yet, but the
grouch is hoping) in **9** years - yes, **9** years, all 9 of which
have been very warm in comparison to their predecessors. We are in the
middle of one of the strongest La Ninas on record too. Amazing eh?

Idiot.

"I'm putting out an appeal at this point: Can anyone link me to or
point me
to any statement by the IPCC or Hadley or Al Gore or Paul Nurse or the
UKMO
where this fall was predicted

No I thought not you arrogant perfick. Oops I forgot to remove the e
and the f. Oh silly me.

Trouble is Gravey you have no mind of your own, You seem to like
gambling and odds and with you that always means the safest route. You
revel in being part of the status quo (probably as dozy as Rick
Parfitt) Trouble is the consensus is always * being overturned. You
are an arrogant ******* who bvy your very own grovelling to the mean
will be made to look a bigger prat than you already are.

Back to the fact the temperature is falling rapidly: can anyone
enlighten me and possibly others *by showing anywhere who has
predicted this fall.

You see I find it amazing that for all the science is settled,
irrefutable and long term computer models predicting disasters that
never seem to happen that no one seems to see that the emperor has no
clothes on!!

Anyhow due to the fact that these climate disaster never seem to
materialise I'm planning to produce a new film about the IPCC and Gore
et al . It's going to be called

The Day Always After Tomorrow. *'bout sums it up really.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Guess what Mr Lawrence - I'll take the word of this person (among many
other scientists), whom I have known for many years, ahead of the
politically-motivated, drivelling denialism uttered by your and your
ilk. You understand absolutely nothing about climatology, and just
rely on the utterances of cranks and dipstick forecasters like Joe
Beanbrain.

http://hot-topic.co.nz/lessons-from-...t-no-time-like...

Your type of commentary will be the butt of scorn and derision in the
years to come.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Joe Beanbrain!!!!! *Now listen here, have you undertaken a bungee jump
recently and someone miscalulated the lengths you'd go to.

As I said in the initial post: has anyone else been able to predict
this temperature drop?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Everyone. Absolutely everyone - you don't appear capable of
understanding that. (Please try not to descend to the same level of
childish abuse as you did in your last reply and stick to the science
instead. **Everyone**, with any interest in climate science, knew full
well that a La Nina would produce some reduction in global
temperatures.

The only problem is to understand why the degree of cooling been far
deeper, given the fact that this La Nina is one of the strongest in
recorded history and given the fact that there are a host of other
negative temperature forcings?

The only real question is: why is it so warm?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When you call someone an idiot its hardly endearing, is it?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Just one question. If you look back over the last 2 days, I would have
loved to have been only called an idiot by you. Unfortunately you did
what you always do when challeneged. *((

Just one question. I answer 4 of yours, quite happily - although I
think you've just ignored them as they involve science and context -
and I only ask *one* in return. It's simples. Have a go.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Okay you're an idiot. Are you happy now?

Anyhow just please, anyone show me anyAGW papers research that
predicted a downturn in temperatures.

On Feb 16, 12:59*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:
On Feb 15, 8:21*pm, Dawlish wrote:





On Feb 15, 7:51*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:

On Feb 15, 5:56*pm, Dawlish wrote:

On Feb 15, 4:19*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:

On Feb 15, 10:01*am, Rupert Wood wrote:

On Feb 15, 11:20*am, Lawrence13 wrote:

On Feb 14, 8:54*pm, Dawlish wrote:

On Feb 14, 7:34*pm, "Lawrence Jenkins" wrote:

Well folks that remarkable drop in global temperatures continues apace, in
several days time we could have the lowest February global temp since 2002.

Reminds *me kinda of Willie Nelson. Aint it funny , how Joe got it right. Or
aint it funny how the heat slips away.

I'm putting out an appeal at this point: Can anyone link me to or point me
to any statement by the IPCC or Hadley or Al Gore or Paul Nurse or the UKMO
where this fall was predicted?

Anyone?

All links appreciated.

Oops almost forgothttp://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/execute.csh?amsutemps

Wow, coldest February day to day comparison (maybe, if a trend
continues for a few days more, coz it's not quite there yet, but the
grouch is hoping) in **9** years - yes, **9** years, all 9 of which
have been very warm in comparison to their predecessors. We are in the
middle of one of the strongest La Ninas on record too. Amazing eh?

Idiot.

"I'm putting out an appeal at this point: Can anyone link me to or
point me
to any statement by the IPCC or Hadley or Al Gore or Paul Nurse or the
UKMO
where this fall was predicted

No I thought not you arrogant perfick. Oops I forgot to remove the e
and the f. Oh silly me.

Trouble is Gravey you have no mind of your own, You seem to like
gambling and odds and with you that always means the safest route. You
revel in being part of the status quo (probably as dozy as Rick
Parfitt) Trouble is the consensus is always * being overturned. You
are an arrogant ******* who bvy your very own grovelling to the mean
will be made to look a bigger prat than you already are.

Back to the fact the temperature is falling rapidly: can anyone
enlighten me and possibly others *by showing anywhere who has
predicted this fall.

You see I find it amazing that for all the science is settled,
irrefutable and long term computer models predicting disasters that
never seem to happen that no one seems to see that the emperor has no
clothes on!!

Anyhow due to the fact that these climate disaster never seem to
materialise I'm planning to produce a new film about the IPCC and Gore
et al . It's going to be called

The Day Always After Tomorrow. *'bout sums it up really.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Guess what Mr Lawrence - I'll take the word of this person (among many
other scientists), whom I have known for many years, ahead of the
politically-motivated, drivelling denialism uttered by your and your
ilk. You understand absolutely nothing about climatology, and just
rely on the utterances of cranks and dipstick forecasters like Joe
Beanbrain.

http://hot-topic.co.nz/lessons-from-...t-no-time-like...

Your type of commentary will be the butt of scorn and derision in the
years to come.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Joe Beanbrain!!!!! *Now listen here, have you undertaken a bungee jump
recently and someone miscalulated the lengths you'd go to.

As I said in the initial post: has anyone else been able to predict
this temperature drop?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Everyone. Absolutely everyone - you don't appear capable of
understanding that. (Please try not to descend to the same level of
childish abuse as you did in your last reply and stick to the science
instead. **Everyone**, with any interest in climate science, knew full
well that a La Nina would produce some reduction in global
temperatures.

The only problem is to understand why the degree of cooling been far
deeper, given the fact that this La Nina is one of the strongest in
recorded history and given the fact that there are a host of other
negative temperature forcings?

The only real question is: why is it so warm?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When you call someone an idiot its hardly endearing, is it?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Just one question. If you look back over the last 2 days, I would have
loved to have been only called an idiot by you. Unfortunately you did
what you always do when challeneged. *((

Just one question. I answer 4 of yours, quite happily - although I
think you've just ignored them as they involve science and context -
and I only ask *one* in return. It's simples. Have a go.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Okay you're an idiot. Are you happy now?

Anyhow just please, anyone show me anyAGW *papers research that
predicted a downturn in temperatures.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

If you really need an answer to this question, you simply confirm that
you know nothing whatever about climatology in general, or AGW in
particular. "Warming" does not imply a steady monotonically increasing
sequence of temperature means, month on month, year on year. There are
cyclic phenomena that also add noise. One of them is called ENSO - the
Nino/Nina oscillation. Heard of that have we??

You are of course just being vexatious - you're not (quite) as stupid
as the above naivete implies. One of the only other "high-profile"
posters I've encountered who tries to set up such a ridiculous
strawman is the looney-mooney-tunes "forecaster", our very own Ken
Ring - who is a complete ding-a-ling nutter.

On Feb 15, 11:59*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:


Anyhow just please, anyone show me any AGW *papers research that
predicted a downturn in temperatures.

I should imagine most of them mention noise from cyclical events that
would produce an erratic rise rather than a steady year on year
progression. Nobody would be daft enough to predict a smooth
uninterrupted rise.

Stephen.

On Feb 15, 11:59*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:
On Feb 15, 8:21*pm, Dawlish wrote:





On Feb 15, 7:51*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:

On Feb 15, 5:56*pm, Dawlish wrote:

On Feb 15, 4:19*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:

On Feb 15, 10:01*am, Rupert Wood wrote:

On Feb 15, 11:20*am, Lawrence13 wrote:

On Feb 14, 8:54*pm, Dawlish wrote:

On Feb 14, 7:34*pm, "Lawrence Jenkins" wrote:

Well folks that remarkable drop in global temperatures continues apace, in
several days time we could have the lowest February global temp since 2002.

Reminds *me kinda of Willie Nelson. Aint it funny , how Joe got it right. Or
aint it funny how the heat slips away.

I'm putting out an appeal at this point: Can anyone link me to or point me
to any statement by the IPCC or Hadley or Al Gore or Paul Nurse or the UKMO
where this fall was predicted?

Anyone?

All links appreciated.

Oops almost forgothttp://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/execute.csh?amsutemps

Wow, coldest February day to day comparison (maybe, if a trend
continues for a few days more, coz it's not quite there yet, but the
grouch is hoping) in **9** years - yes, **9** years, all 9 of which
have been very warm in comparison to their predecessors. We are in the
middle of one of the strongest La Ninas on record too. Amazing eh?

Idiot.

"I'm putting out an appeal at this point: Can anyone link me to or
point me
to any statement by the IPCC or Hadley or Al Gore or Paul Nurse or the
UKMO
where this fall was predicted

No I thought not you arrogant perfick. Oops I forgot to remove the e
and the f. Oh silly me.

Trouble is Gravey you have no mind of your own, You seem to like
gambling and odds and with you that always means the safest route. You
revel in being part of the status quo (probably as dozy as Rick
Parfitt) Trouble is the consensus is always * being overturned. You
are an arrogant ******* who bvy your very own grovelling to the mean
will be made to look a bigger prat than you already are.

Back to the fact the temperature is falling rapidly: can anyone
enlighten me and possibly others *by showing anywhere who has
predicted this fall.

You see I find it amazing that for all the science is settled,
irrefutable and long term computer models predicting disasters that
never seem to happen that no one seems to see that the emperor has no
clothes on!!

Anyhow due to the fact that these climate disaster never seem to
materialise I'm planning to produce a new film about the IPCC and Gore
et al . It's going to be called

The Day Always After Tomorrow. *'bout sums it up really.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Guess what Mr Lawrence - I'll take the word of this person (among many
other scientists), whom I have known for many years, ahead of the
politically-motivated, drivelling denialism uttered by your and your
ilk. You understand absolutely nothing about climatology, and just
rely on the utterances of cranks and dipstick forecasters like Joe
Beanbrain.

http://hot-topic.co.nz/lessons-from-...t-no-time-like...

Your type of commentary will be the butt of scorn and derision in the
years to come.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Joe Beanbrain!!!!! *Now listen here, have you undertaken a bungee jump
recently and someone miscalulated the lengths you'd go to.

As I said in the initial post: has anyone else been able to predict
this temperature drop?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Everyone. Absolutely everyone - you don't appear capable of
understanding that. (Please try not to descend to the same level of
childish abuse as you did in your last reply and stick to the science
instead. **Everyone**, with any interest in climate science, knew full
well that a La Nina would produce some reduction in global
temperatures.

The only problem is to understand why the degree of cooling been far
deeper, given the fact that this La Nina is one of the strongest in
recorded history and given the fact that there are a host of other
negative temperature forcings?

The only real question is: why is it so warm?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When you call someone an idiot its hardly endearing, is it?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Just one question. If you look back over the last 2 days, I would have
loved to have been only called an idiot by you. Unfortunately you did
what you always do when challeneged. *((

Just one question. I answer 4 of yours, quite happily - although I
think you've just ignored them as they involve science and context -
and I only ask *one* in return. It's simples. Have a go.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Okay you're an idiot. Are you happy now?

Anyhow just please, anyone show me anyAGW *papers research that
predicted a downturn in temperatures.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Good, We've both called each other an idiot. Leave the insults at that
now eh? I should probably have called what you said "idiotic" in
hindsight and not you personally an idiot. Others can determine that,
so sorry. (Do scroll back on the other discussion and reflect on the
insults you had sent my way, unprovoked, though).

I require of you to answer just one question, as I have answered 3 out
of 4 of yours. It's your turn. The last question you asked is
contained in this, because there probably aren't any research papers
that predicted the downturn, for the reason below.

Every scientist working in the field of climatology and meteorology
knows there will be a downturn in temperatures with a La Nina and
knows there will be an upturn during an El Nino. Here's Roy Spencer -
sceptic. Look at the graphs and see the La Nina effects. Read Roy's
comments. No one needs to produce research papers, as a downturn in
global temperatures with a La Nina is just an accepted fact. It always
happens. Scroll down his homepage and please read:

"UAH Update for January 2011: Global Temperatures in Freefall February
2nd, 2011 …although this, too, shall pass, when La Nina goes away".

http://www.drroyspencer.com/

- so my question is: why didn't you know that? I hope now that you
realise this will always happen, for the future - unless GW disrupts
the ENSO cycle completely; which is very unlikely, I would think. You
won't find anyone on here, professional, or otherwise, that would
dispute the fact that a downturn in global temperatures will happen
during a La Nina event.

To remind you: why didn't you know what is an accepted scientific
fact; that global temperatures will always show a downturn in a La
Nina?

In article 0deafb3b-c7e1-4347-8ba5-c7cbc76962a5
@z31g2000vbs.googlegroups.com, says...

Anyhow just please, anyone show me anyAGW papers research that
predicted a downturn in temperatures.


In climatic timelines, there has been no downturn.

I seem to remember some mention of February 2002. 2002 was but 9 years
ago and, in its day, the second warmest on record. To put it another
way, it's underneath the barrel.

--
Alan LeHun

On Feb 15, 10:39*pm, wrote:
I hate to pour cold water on this, but according to my own readings,
the only ones I can trust since climategate, this month is shaping up
to be the warmest February on record, La Nina or no la Nina. *About
+4C on the 1981-2010 averages, although we have half the month still
to go.

--
Visit my weather station athttp://homepage.ntlworld.com/m.dixon4/Cumulus/index.htm

Believing is the start of everything to come. *- * Hayley Westenra

Nothing to do with global temperatures, I'm afraid, Martin! *))

On Feb 16, 8:52*am, Dawlish wrote:
On Feb 15, 11:59*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:





On Feb 15, 8:21*pm, Dawlish wrote:

On Feb 15, 7:51*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:

On Feb 15, 5:56*pm, Dawlish wrote:

On Feb 15, 4:19*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:

On Feb 15, 10:01*am, Rupert Wood wrote:

On Feb 15, 11:20*am, Lawrence13 wrote:

On Feb 14, 8:54*pm, Dawlish wrote:

On Feb 14, 7:34*pm, "Lawrence Jenkins" wrote:

Well folks that remarkable drop in global temperatures continues apace, in
several days time we could have the lowest February global temp since 2002.

Reminds *me kinda of Willie Nelson. Aint it funny , how Joe got it right. Or
aint it funny how the heat slips away.

I'm putting out an appeal at this point: Can anyone link me to or point me
to any statement by the IPCC or Hadley or Al Gore or Paul Nurse or the UKMO
where this fall was predicted?

Anyone?

All links appreciated.

Oops almost forgothttp://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/execute.csh?amsutemps

Wow, coldest February day to day comparison (maybe, if a trend
continues for a few days more, coz it's not quite there yet, but the
grouch is hoping) in **9** years - yes, **9** years, all 9 of which
have been very warm in comparison to their predecessors. We are in the
middle of one of the strongest La Ninas on record too. Amazing eh?

Idiot.

"I'm putting out an appeal at this point: Can anyone link me to or
point me
to any statement by the IPCC or Hadley or Al Gore or Paul Nurse or the
UKMO
where this fall was predicted

No I thought not you arrogant perfick. Oops I forgot to remove the e
and the f. Oh silly me.

Trouble is Gravey you have no mind of your own, You seem to like
gambling and odds and with you that always means the safest route. You
revel in being part of the status quo (probably as dozy as Rick
Parfitt) Trouble is the consensus is always * being overturned. You
are an arrogant ******* who bvy your very own grovelling to the mean
will be made to look a bigger prat than you already are.

Back to the fact the temperature is falling rapidly: can anyone
enlighten me and possibly others *by showing anywhere who has
predicted this fall.

You see I find it amazing that for all the science is settled,
irrefutable and long term computer models predicting disasters that
never seem to happen that no one seems to see that the emperor has no
clothes on!!

Anyhow due to the fact that these climate disaster never seem to
materialise I'm planning to produce a new film about the IPCC and Gore
et al . It's going to be called

The Day Always After Tomorrow. *'bout sums it up really.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Guess what Mr Lawrence - I'll take the word of this person (among many
other scientists), whom I have known for many years, ahead of the
politically-motivated, drivelling denialism uttered by your and your
ilk. You understand absolutely nothing about climatology, and just
rely on the utterances of cranks and dipstick forecasters like Joe
Beanbrain.

http://hot-topic.co.nz/lessons-from-...t-no-time-like...

Your type of commentary will be the butt of scorn and derision in the
years to come.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Joe Beanbrain!!!!! *Now listen here, have you undertaken a bungee jump
recently and someone miscalulated the lengths you'd go to.

As I said in the initial post: has anyone else been able to predict
this temperature drop?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Everyone. Absolutely everyone - you don't appear capable of
understanding that. (Please try not to descend to the same level of
childish abuse as you did in your last reply and stick to the science
instead. **Everyone**, with any interest in climate science, knew full
well that a La Nina would produce some reduction in global
temperatures.

The only problem is to understand why the degree of cooling been far
deeper, given the fact that this La Nina is one of the strongest in
recorded history and given the fact that there are a host of other
negative temperature forcings?

The only real question is: why is it so warm?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

When you call someone an idiot its hardly endearing, is it?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Just one question. If you look back over the last 2 days, I would have
loved to have been only called an idiot by you. Unfortunately you did
what you always do when challeneged. *((

Just one question. I answer 4 of yours, quite happily - although I
think you've just ignored them as they involve science and context -
and I only ask *one* in return. It's simples. Have a go.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Okay you're an idiot. Are you happy now?

Anyhow just please, anyone show me anyAGW *papers research that
predicted a downturn in temperatures.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Good, We've both called each other an idiot. Leave the insults at that
now eh? I should probably have called what you said "idiotic" in
hindsight and not you personally an idiot. Others can determine that,
so sorry. (Do scroll back on the other discussion and reflect on the
insults you had sent my way, unprovoked, though).

I require of you to answer just one question, as I have answered 3 out
of 4 of yours. It's your turn. The last question you asked is
contained in this, because there probably aren't any research papers
that predicted the downturn, for the reason below.

Every scientist working in the field of climatology and meteorology
knows there will be a downturn in temperatures with a La Nina and
knows there will be an upturn during an El Nino. Here's Roy Spencer -
sceptic. Look at the graphs and see the La Nina effects. Read Roy's
comments. No one needs to produce research papers, as a downturn in
global temperatures with a La Nina is just an accepted fact. It always
happens. Scroll down his homepage and please read:

"UAH Update for January 2011: Global Temperatures in Freefall February
2nd, 2011 …although this, too, shall pass, when La Nina goes away".

http://www.drroyspencer.com/

*- so my question is: why didn't you know that? I hope now that you
realise this will always happen, for the future - unless GW disrupts
the ENSO cycle completely; which is very unlikely, I would think. You
won't find anyone on here, professional, or otherwise, that would
dispute the fact that a downturn in global temperatures will happen
during a La Nina event.

To remind you: why didn't you know what is an accepted scientific
fact; that global temperatures will always show a downturn in a La
Nina?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Here's the discussion that you tried to run away from Lawrence. Why
didn't you know?