On Feb 20, 10:26*pm, John Hall wrote:
In article ,

*Col writes:
I'm usually awake by 5am and in June I can be up and
bouncing off the walls at 4am or even earlier!

I love the quiet of early summer mornings. Several hours of
daylight yet there's noboby around to enjoy it. I guess if
there was it wouldn't be quiet
Watch the sunrise on June 21st? Been there, done that....

Cancel BST is what I say, I don't go to bed all that early,
say 10pm, I don't seem to need much sleeep but in June
it's still pretty light at that time.

Acoording to today's paper there's talk about bringing in Double Summer
Time, so that in summer we would be on GMT+2.
--
John Hall

* * * * * * * * * * "The covers of this book are too far apart."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914)

Talk in today's Torygraph that the Scots will put the mockers on it -
again. The proposal, apparently, has to have the agreement of the
devolved assemblies.

If devolution has truly occurred, why can't the Scots just arrange
their own daylight hours and leave the rest of the UK to sort out
theirs? It's not as if a difference in time is going to cause too many
problems across the border. Some countries cope, quite happily, with
different time zones within their own country; why not the UK?

Graham P Davis wrote:
On Sunday 20 Feb 2011 22:27, Dave Cornwell scribbled:

I forgot to mention the post lunch or pre-dinner nap ;-)

Or, if one was from a different class or geographical background, post-
dinner or pre-supper nap. ;-)

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An interesting point actually Graham. I think as a child 12.30pm was
definitely dinner time and the evening meal was tea time. I always had a
proper dinner at the middle of the day and in the evening we had jam
sandwiches, cakes, tinned fruit, that sort of thing although I think my
dad had his cooked dinner then. Was this normal family behaviour for the
fifties and sixties? I think it probably changed when I started work.
Dave

In article ,
Dave Cornwell writes:
Graham P Davis wrote:
On Sunday 20 Feb 2011 22:27, Dave Cornwell scribbled:

I forgot to mention the post lunch or pre-dinner nap ;-)
Or, if one was from a different class or geographical background,
post-
dinner or pre-supper nap. ;-)

--------------------
An interesting point actually Graham. I think as a child 12.30pm was
definitely dinner time and the evening meal was tea time. I always had
a proper dinner at the middle of the day and in the evening we had jam
sandwiches, cakes, tinned fruit, that sort of thing although I think my
dad had his cooked dinner then. Was this normal family behaviour for
the fifties and sixties? I think it probably changed when I started
work.
Dave

I think it's probably a class thing. Coming from a working class
background, I still think of the meal in the middle of the day as
dinner, and it's when I prefer to have my main meal of the day. I think
those from a middle class background have traditionally been more likely
to have their main meal in the evening.

Even today, we seem to hear "school dinners" much more often than
"school lunches".
--
John Hall

"The covers of this book are too far apart."
Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914)

Nick wrote:
On Feb 20, 1:49 pm, "Col" wrote:
Nick wrote:
On Feb 20, 11:37 am, Dave Cornwell
wrote:
Unbelieveably dark day here. It's hard to tell if it's still dawn
or dusk has come early. The drizzle isn't helping the dreary
outlook either. It's just relentless here. Surely there must be
some sun this week? Dave,
S.Essex

Your easterlies are my southwesterlies and vice versa according to
reports on here it seems ! ;-) So probably better for you this week,
but hopefully not too bad here as the pressure is fairly high.

Cloudy (mostly) but not dull today - indeed it seemed to get light
very early, though the mornings are drawing out fast now. Indeed, by
the end of this week we're already into "pointless" (pre-7am)
morning daylight - maybe the clocks should go forward on the first,
not the last, Sunday in March...

Not pointless if you are an extreme morning person like me.

Therein lies the difference I guess - I'm not an extreme evening
person (usually in bed by midnight) but I find the early mornings not
easy - I cannot make myself eat before about 8am for example. On the
other hand I do appreciate the hour we're in now being sunny rather
than this godawful gloomfest we've got today...

8am?
That's practically lunchtime for me

I'm usually awake by 5am and in June I can be up and
bouncing off the walls at 4am or even earlier!

I'm often awake early in the summer but it's the unfeasibly-early
sunrise which causes it ! :-)
I love the quiet of early summer mornings. Several hours of
daylight yet there's noboby around to enjoy it. I guess if
there was it wouldn't be quiet
Watch the sunrise on June 21st? Been there, done that....

Cancel BST is what I say, I don't go to bed all that early,
say 10pm, I don't seem to need much sleeep but in June
it's still pretty light at that time.

Would be ok in June, but imagine how the character of say April and
September would change if sunset came an hour earlier! An April with
it starting to go dark by 7pm would feel completely different, and not
in a good way...

I wasn't serious about cancelling BST, but I wouldn't like the double
summertime idea that is doing the rounds at the moment.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

Dawlish wrote:
On Feb 20, 10:26 pm, John Hall wrote:
In article ,

Col writes:
I'm usually awake by 5am and in June I can be up and
bouncing off the walls at 4am or even earlier!

I love the quiet of early summer mornings. Several hours of
daylight yet there's noboby around to enjoy it. I guess if
there was it wouldn't be quiet
Watch the sunrise on June 21st? Been there, done that....

Cancel BST is what I say, I don't go to bed all that early,
say 10pm, I don't seem to need much sleeep but in June
it's still pretty light at that time.

Acoording to today's paper there's talk about bringing in Double
Summer Time, so that in summer we would be on GMT+2.
--
John Hall

"The covers of this book are too far apart."
Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914)

Talk in today's Torygraph that the Scots will put the mockers on it -
again. The proposal, apparently, has to have the agreement of the
devolved assemblies.

If devolution has truly occurred, why can't the Scots just arrange
their own daylight hours and leave the rest of the UK to sort out
theirs? It's not as if a difference in time is going to cause too many
problems across the border. Some countries cope, quite happily, with
different time zones within their own country; why not the UK?

Exactly.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

Talk in today's Torygraph that the Scots will put the mockers
on it -
again. The proposal, apparently, has to have the agreement of
the
devolved assemblies.
There are plenty of us in Scotland who are fully in support of
the proposal, I can assure you, and we get pretty fed up at
being tarred with the same brush as those, all over the UK, who
are opposed to it.

If devolution has truly occurred, why can't the Scots just
arrange
their own daylight hours and leave the rest of the UK to sort
out
theirs?
Probably because Westminster has not actually devolved this
particular matter.

It's not as if a difference in time is going to cause too many
problems across the border. Some countries cope, quite
happily, with
different time zones within their own country; why not the UK?
Quite.

Anne B

Anne Burgess wrote:

Talk in today's Torygraph that the Scots will put the mockers on it -
again. The proposal, apparently, has to have the agreement of the
devolved assemblies.
There are plenty of us in Scotland who are fully in support of the proposal,
I can assure you, and we get pretty fed up at being tarred with the same
brush as those, all over the UK, who are opposed to it.

If devolution has truly occurred, why can't the Scots just arrange
their own daylight hours and leave the rest of the UK to sort out
theirs?
Probably because Westminster has not actually devolved this particular matter.

It's not as if a difference in time is going to cause too many
problems across the border. Some countries cope, quite happily, with
different time zones within their own country; why not the UK?
Quite.

Anne B

Coincidentally, but quite appropriate for this newsgroup, a change to double
summertime has a potential negative impact on the quality of weather
forecasting in this country. Most forecasts for Joe Public and for many
commercial customers are issued on clock time but operational meteorology
operates on GMT. In my days on the forecasting bench there was always a bit
more pressure during summertime because 00z and 12z were at 0100 and 1300 clock
time rather than at 0000 and 1200 clock time in winter, meaning that there was,
effectively, one hour less to produce the forecasts based on the 00z and 12z
data and computer runs. Under double summertime, 00z and 12z would be 0200 and
1400 clock time, taking yet another hour out of the system.

I'd be interested to hear the views of those currently "on the bench".

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.

On 21/02/11 11:49, Dawlish wrote:

Talk in today's Torygraph that the Scots will put the mockers on it -
again. The proposal, apparently, has to have the agreement of the
devolved assemblies.

If devolution has truly occurred, why can't the Scots just arrange
their own daylight hours and leave the rest of the UK to sort out
theirs? It's not as if a difference in time is going to cause too many
problems across the border. Some countries cope, quite happily, with
different time zones within their own country; why not the UK?

It would seem a bit odd for a country as small as ours to have two
different time zones.

If a country like China can operate with one time zone, why not the UK?

On Feb 21, 11:31*pm, Adam Lea wrote:
On 21/02/11 11:49, Dawlish wrote:



Talk in today's Torygraph that the Scots will put the mockers on it -
again. The proposal, apparently, has to have the agreement of the
devolved assemblies.

If devolution has truly occurred, why can't the Scots just arrange
their own daylight hours and leave the rest of the UK to sort out
theirs? It's not as if a difference in time is going to cause too many
problems across the border. Some countries cope, quite happily, with
different time zones within their own country; why not the UK?

It would seem a bit odd for a country as small as ours to have two
different time zones.

If a country like China can operate with one time zone, why not the UK?

The worst thing about this seemingly endless gloom is that it
coincides with rapidly increasing daylight length.- the day is
gloomier for longer. Not a problem in the arctic, where all you miss
is the night sky and aurorae. I don't draw the curtains in weather
like this- there's little light to let in, and it's the best way to
keep the gloom out.
I've always thought that the British winter made a big contribution to
the British Empire and English becomig a world language- after all, if
you rule the seas, who in their right mind would stay here?.
Unfortunately my wife for one. I've spent 30 years trying to persuade
her to go to Oz-no luck so far!

On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 at 18:44:34, Col wrote
in uk.sci.weather :

I wasn't serious about cancelling BST, but I wouldn't like the double
summertime idea that is doing the rounds at the moment.

Indeed - it's hard enough getting up in winter as it is, without it
staying dark past 9am!
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)