I've been looking at the mechanics of volcanoes, with a view to
establishing a connection between them and the weather.

Apart from the new branch of science inerted on the ne'er do wells,
there is a long way to go yet.

Bernard Choett reminds me of that Indian who has the home made solar
observatory in Coimbatore. Fantastic results but limited grasp of
cause.

In the Horizon programme he made about Popakettleon following his
discovery about the Nevada Del Ruis(?) eruption he mentions that Long
Period Events or B harmonics can be used to forecast accuratley the
eruptions of volcanoes.

He swrongly attributes the A tone to rocks breaking and magma
progress.

Fair play there is precious little to go on, I admit. And even though
wrong his discoveries make him one of the richest men in the world. So
I cast no aspersions on a man god is blessing.

However I was thinking along the lines of Helmholtz resonation. Prof
Choett uses the analogy of an organ pipe in his explanation of B
tomes. But in a volcano about to erupt, the cavity is usually sealed.

Someone in the days of conical galss pop bottles, told me that a
bottle of lemonade with a 4" nail in it would explode before long if
it was put in a car boot and taken somewhere. (I can't remember why he
would have wanted to find that out but I believed him.)

So why would it blow?

Why would a volcano blow in any case? There is always a vent or two
open with them or ellse the alternative science of measuring gass
evolution would have never been tried.

What make the chamber resonate when closed rather than when open?

Is it that an open volcano is liable to be neutralised by the wind
blowing across its calderon?
That would be an effect of Helmholtz Resonators used in car exhaust
pipes.

Just this minute I looked up supercritical fluids and found something
more to confound me:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercritical_fluid

Apparently they can make short work of solids. But how much more so
when activated by the frequencies of bad weather or whatever the
weather that seems to affect them. (Allowing for the probability that
they all have different frequencies and react accordingly to different
weather.)

It seems that a long period of anticyclonic weather in the UK thus
over the NE North Atlantic (a Blocking High) is causative for a lot of
Icelandic vulcanicity.

Someone tell me if the anticyclonic stuff extended right through the
atmosphere. I only followed the charts adjusted for mean sea level.

There is a smoker in the region Bjorn Soerheim was posting about a few
months back. That was interesting. And it all seems to bear out what
Thomas Gold was saying all those lost years ago.
I wonder what its activity periods suggest.

Some research on that will yield interesting results for anyone
interested in why the weather stalls on the Mid Atlantic Ridge. (There
now follows a long/very long/long, long, very long... break on behalf
of the Thatcherism Party, whilst someone passes the hat.)

Sometimes we hit the bear and sometimes the bear hits us. But whatever
is held true at any time, the absolute truth will eventually become
the mainstream. That at least is a constant.

(As a PS

Prof or Doctor (or whatever he is) Choett is still pondering what
causes the long period events. Shall I write and tell him?

It appears logical to me; though there are those who think I am
punching below their wait.
With the top off, the cavity doesn't resonate with a full harmonic
wave.
With the top screwed on it blows.
How can it blow?
Where is the gas coming from?
It could vent at will prior to the dome forming. How come there is
still gas to go?)

On Jun 17, 8:32*am, Weatherlawyer wrote:
I've been looking at the mechanics of volcanoes, with a view to
establishing a connection between them and the weather.

I'm posting this for Petra as she's having a problem signing into
Google Accounts.

Hi Michael,

The kind of weather you're trying to associate with volcanoes might be
better served with observation of Space Weather via geomagnetic
activity and X-ray flux. Solar Activity excites the earths inner core
and urges on activity in volcanic locations when such events occur.
You can follow Space Weather at: http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/index.html

However, it does not require a major flare to induce volcanic or
earthquake activity. Simple continual excitation brings on much the
same and good observation points for the beginner would be in
monitoring activity at The Geysers Geothermal Field, Coso Volcanic
Field and Cerra Prieto Geothermal Field In Baja, California.

Geomagnetic and Solar Flare Activity is well known to usher on
earthquakes not only in volcanic locales, but equatorial and regions
at high latitudes. Yesterday's events at New Britain, PNG; Nikiski,
Alaska; The Queen Charlotte Islands and the latest M 5.5 in Eritrea
and Southwestern Sumatra's M 5.0 are all products of such activity.

Petra

On Jun 17, 8:05*pm, Don in Hollister wrote:
On Jun 17, 8:32*am, Weatherlawyer wrote:

I've been looking at the mechanics of volcanoes, with a view to
establishing a connection between them and the weather.

I'm posting this for Petra as she's having a problem signing into
Google Accounts.

Hi Michael,

The kind of weather you're trying to associate with volcanoes might be
better served with observation of Space Weather via geomagnetic
activity and X-ray flux. *Solar Activity excites the earths inner core
and urges on activity in volcanic locations when such events occur.
You can follow Space Weather at: *http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/index.html

However, it does not require a major flare to induce volcanic or
earthquake activity. Simple continual excitation brings on much the
same and good observation points for the beginner would be in
monitoring activity at The Geysers Geothermal Field, Coso Volcanic
Field and Cerra Prieto Geothermal Field In Baja, California.

Geomagnetic and Solar Flare Activity is well known to usher on
earthquakes not only in volcanic locales, but equatorial and regions
at high latitudes. *Yesterday's events at New Britain, PNG; Nikiski,
Alaska; The Queen Charlotte Islands and the latest M 5.5 in Eritrea
and Southwestern Sumatra's M 5.0 are all products of such activity.

Petra

Hi Petradon

Let me guess your far flungedness has cost you an internet connection?

Did you have fun?

I was looking at the Volcano Islands and Bonin Islands quakes at the
end of last year when we had snow a mixture of phases at 5s and 6s. In
other words highs and Lows. There was a lot oc comment about a
blocking High situation over here at the time too, though I thought
little of it.

The situation only came to an end comparatively recently. This despite
almost all the times f phases of the moon being in the wet spectrum
this year.

Anyway the events in and around Japan were very closely linked with
the series of eruptions that staarted there about November or
definitely by December at least.

I was looking up stuff about HAARp after reading a thread in MIT's
server about the upper atmosphere heating beginning some three days
before the main event in Japan. Honestly some of the stuff on there.
Sci physics newsgroup is a dog-end.

Anyway the HAARP FAQs states there is no way that the ionosphere can
be impacted by the 10Megawats or so they use occasionally. And that
even the solar flares are easily absorbed. Of course this is only in a
dynamics frame -fluid jumps and that sort of thing.

The same people are the ones responsible for the article on
Atmospheric Science so I am not cetain they are pumping on all four
cyclinders.

There is no telling what else is actually passed on through the
ionosphere. Obviously acoustics might. The same site says the noise is
considerable IIRC.

What sort of information do you have to show the coincidence of flares
with earthquakes etc.?

On Jun 18, 7:34*am, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Jun 17, 8:05*pm, Don in Hollister wrote:





On Jun 17, 8:32*am, Weatherlawyer wrote:

I've been looking at the mechanics of volcanoes, with a view to
establishing a connection between them and the weather.

I'm posting this for Petra as she's having a problem signing into
Google Accounts.

Hi Michael,

The kind of weather you're trying to associate with volcanoes might be
better served with observation of Space Weather via geomagnetic
activity and X-ray flux. *Solar Activity excites the earths inner core
and urges on activity in volcanic locations when such events occur.
You can follow Space Weather at: *http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/index.html

However, it does not require a major flare to induce volcanic or
earthquake activity. Simple continual excitation brings on much the
same and good observation points for the beginner would be in
monitoring activity at The Geysers Geothermal Field, Coso Volcanic
Field and Cerra Prieto Geothermal Field In Baja, California.

Geomagnetic and Solar Flare Activity is well known to usher on
earthquakes not only in volcanic locales, but equatorial and regions
at high latitudes. *Yesterday's events at New Britain, PNG; Nikiski,
Alaska; The Queen Charlotte Islands and the latest M 5.5 in Eritrea
and Southwestern Sumatra's M 5.0 are all products of such activity.

Petra

Hi Petradon

Let me guess your far flungedness has cost you an internet connection?

Did you have fun?

I was looking at the Volcano Islands and Bonin Islands quakes at the
end of last year when we had snow a mixture of phases at 5s and 6s. In
other words highs and Lows. There was a lot oc comment about a
blocking High situation over here at the time too, though I thought
little of it.

The situation only came to an end comparatively recently. This despite
almost all the times f phases of the moon being in the wet spectrum
this year.

Anyway the events in and around Japan were very closely linked with
the series of eruptions that staarted there about November or
definitely by December at least.

I was looking up stuff about HAARp after reading a thread in MIT's
server about the upper atmosphere heating beginning some three days
before the main event in Japan. Honestly some of the stuff on there.
Sci physics newsgroup is a dog-end.

Anyway the HAARP FAQs states there is no way that the ionosphere can
be impacted by the 10Megawats or so they use occasionally. And that
even the solar flares are easily absorbed. Of course this is only in a
dynamics frame -fluid jumps and that sort of thing.

The same people are the ones responsible for the article on
Atmospheric Science so I am not cetain they are pumping on all four
cyclinders.

There is no telling what else is actually passed on through the
ionosphere. Obviously acoustics might. The same site says the noise is
considerable IIRC.

What sort of information do you have to show the coincidence of flares
with earthquakes etc.?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hi Michael,

The G-Mail/Google Problem was truly most bizarre as any screen I
brought up where a sign-in was required it was missing the fields to
enter the User Name and Password. I called Google and they no longer
have live customer support and in time I found a place to simply type
a message and send it explaining the problem and some hours later,
bingo, it was working again.

Anyway, I've been following Space Weather and it's influence on
activating earthquakes in some regions for about five years and while
it's difficult to use for site specific prediction it does have use if
you're watching an area that has unusual activity and simply needs a
nudge to get it going, much like regional or long distance triggering
from larger earthquake events. I performed a little demonstration in
predicting earthquakes from a C-4 flare about a month ago in one of my
blogs and my rate of return was 88.88%. I missed Hawthorne NV which I
predicted a M 5.0 and it arrived as an M 4.3.

The problem with most understanding such correlations is that given
persons who have a casual interest don't issue earthquake predictions
they lack hands-on experience and it takes years of working with
material to make good use of it. Generally it's much like learning to
drive a car, because unless you've done it you have no idea what it's
like and as we know, the more you drive (for most) it improves the
drivers skill and the same could be said about predicting earthquakes,
experience is a requisite.

As for HAARP I do not support any suggestions it has anything to do
with earthquakes and I think overall most don't even understand how it
works, let it alone to take a leap to imagine how it might be possible
to generate an earthquake and to date not one single person has ever
come forward and explained how it may have initiated one single
earthquake anywhere on this planet anymore than CERN. This belongs in
that "let's find fault" for earthquakes crapola and given the earth is
normally going to generate earthquakes and has since it's onset, why
would anyone worry about HAARP or CERN?

However, it seems no matter how much information one may make
available to public in explaining simple issues about predicting
earthquakes to get the lazy out of the talk mode into actually giving
the material their own level of experience usually results in no
action at all because it's easier to say that Indonesia which
encompasses 13 million square miles may experience an event which has
a high likelihood of occurring instead of doing the work. Yet 99% of
them have never accessed an earthquake catalog and if you don't start
there, then you can't learn anything. The virtual library of
earthquakes is an absolute essential in prediction.

So as to your thoughts about connecting volcanic activity to regional
weather it's a huge leap because the earth's interior plumbing is not
affected by storms insofar as I'm aware and I think I've seen a lot in
my thirteen years of observations.

Petra
Quake Chasers
http://quakechasers.yolasite.com/pets-blog.php

On Jun 18, 5:32*pm, Petra Challus wrote:
On Jun 18, 7:34*am, Weatherlawyer wrote:





On Jun 17, 8:05*pm, Don in Hollister wrote:

On Jun 17, 8:32*am, Weatherlawyer wrote:

I've been looking at the mechanics of volcanoes, with a view to
establishing a connection between them and the weather.

I'm posting this for Petra as she's having a problem signing into
Google Accounts.

Hi Michael,

The kind of weather you're trying to associate with volcanoes might be
better served with observation of Space Weather via geomagnetic
activity and X-ray flux. *Solar Activity excites the earths inner core
and urges on activity in volcanic locations when such events occur.
You can follow Space Weather at: *http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/index.html

However, it does not require a major flare to induce volcanic or
earthquake activity. Simple continual excitation brings on much the
same and good observation points for the beginner would be in
monitoring activity at The Geysers Geothermal Field, Coso Volcanic
Field and Cerra Prieto Geothermal Field In Baja, California.

Geomagnetic and Solar Flare Activity is well known to usher on
earthquakes not only in volcanic locales, but equatorial and regions
at high latitudes. *Yesterday's events at New Britain, PNG; Nikiski,
Alaska; The Queen Charlotte Islands and the latest M 5.5 in Eritrea
and Southwestern Sumatra's M 5.0 are all products of such activity.

Petra

Hi Petradon

Let me guess your far flungedness has cost you an internet connection?

Did you have fun?

I was looking at the Volcano Islands and Bonin Islands quakes at the
end of last year when we had snow a mixture of phases at 5s and 6s. In
other words highs and Lows. There was a lot oc comment about a
blocking High situation over here at the time too, though I thought
little of it.

The situation only came to an end comparatively recently. This despite
almost all the times f phases of the moon being in the wet spectrum
this year.

Anyway the events in and around Japan were very closely linked with
the series of eruptions that staarted there about November or
definitely by December at least.

I was looking up stuff about HAARp after reading a thread in MIT's
server about the upper atmosphere heating beginning some three days
before the main event in Japan. Honestly some of the stuff on there.
Sci physics newsgroup is a dog-end.

Anyway the HAARP FAQs states there is no way that the ionosphere can
be impacted by the 10Megawats or so they use occasionally. And that
even the solar flares are easily absorbed. Of course this is only in a
dynamics frame -fluid jumps and that sort of thing.

The same people are the ones responsible for the article on
Atmospheric Science so I am not cetain they are pumping on all four
cyclinders.

There is no telling what else is actually passed on through the
ionosphere. Obviously acoustics might. The same site says the noise is
considerable IIRC.

What sort of information do you have to show the coincidence of flares
with earthquakes etc.?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Hi Michael,

The G-Mail/Google Problem was truly most bizarre as any screen I
brought up where a sign-in was required it was missing the fields to
enter the User Name and Password. *I called Google and they no longer
have live customer support and in time I found a place to simply type
a message and send it explaining the problem and some hours later,
bingo, it was working again.

Anyway, I've been following Space Weather and it's influence on
activating earthquakes in some regions for about five years and while
it's difficult to use for site specific prediction it does have use if
you're watching an area that has unusual activity and simply needs a
nudge to get it going, much like regional or long distance triggering
from larger earthquake events. *I performed a little demonstration in
predicting earthquakes from a C-4 flare about a month ago in one of my
blogs and my rate of return was 88.88%. *I missed Hawthorne NV which I
predicted a M 5.0 and it arrived as an M 4.3.

The problem with most understanding such correlations is that given
persons who have a casual interest don't issue earthquake predictions
they lack hands-on experience and it takes years of working with
material to make good use of it. *Generally it's much like learning to
drive a car, because unless you've done it you have no idea what it's
like and as we know, the more you drive (for most) it improves the
drivers skill and the same could be said about predicting earthquakes,
experience is a requisite.

As for HAARP I do not support any suggestions it has anything to do
with earthquakes and I think overall most don't even understand how it
works, let it alone to take a leap to imagine how it might be possible
to generate an earthquake and to date not one single person has ever
come forward and explained how it may have initiated one single
earthquake anywhere on this planet anymore than CERN. *This belongs in
that "let's find fault" for earthquakes crapola and given the earth is
normally going to generate earthquakes and has since it's onset, why
would anyone worry about HAARP or CERN?

However, it seems no matter how much information one may make
available to public in explaining simple issues about predicting
earthquakes to get the lazy out of the talk mode into actually giving
the material their own level of experience usually results in no
action at all because it's easier to say that Indonesia which
encompasses 13 million square miles may experience an event which has
a high likelihood of occurring instead of doing the work. Yet 99% of
them have never accessed an earthquake catalog and if you don't start
there, then you can't learn anything. *The virtual library of
earthquakes is an absolute essential in prediction.

So as to your thoughts about connecting volcanic activity to regional
weather it's a huge leap because the earth's interior plumbing is not
affected by storms insofar as I'm aware and I think I've seen a lot in
my thirteen years of observations.

Petra
Quake Chasershttp://quakechasers.yolasite.com/pets-blog.php

You know as well as I do that Shan is getting good results with his
home made observatory. And I distinctly tred telling both of you that
whenever he reported a bust there was a tropical storm in his window.

Do you subscribe to modern ideas about obduction and subduction?

I read a PDF from the infrasound people the other day and they make a
distinction between gas, water and magma whilst underground in a
closed chamber.

They also reported that research on the long harmonic tones in closed
caldera could be a good project, explaining how the closed chamber of
a volcano resembles a music pipe open at both ends (presumably with a
vent near one end too.)

Lost souls as far as I can make out.

On the plus side the same |PDF mention that a good barometer can
collect acoustic readings from the atmospher. Not fine enough for them
but interesting, no less.

I only read the introductory first letter. Here is the directory to
all 27 of them, maybe they found something:

http://www.inframatics.org/newsletter.html

I'll d/l the lot and let you know of anything interesting.
Keep up the bad work, don't let the trolls blight.

Mike.

On Jun 21, 8:21*am, Weatherlawyer wrote:

Hi Michael,

As for subduction, yes, it is real. I'm not sure if you are aware but
Africa is subducting under Spain. Yet, something caught my attention
some months ago regarding the odd high magnitude quake series which
ran through Portugal, Spain, Morocco, Algeria and the South of France
between 1900-1910. I'm compiling data and I want to see if I can
locate the catalyst to the storm as it appears the same region is
springing back to life and maybe there's something to be discovered as
to whether what happened in the past may be about to repeat itself in
the near future. And in that it may offer an explanation as tot the
singular quake in Medina, Italy in 1908 of which there never were any
quakes before or since. Of course missing are catalogs for the smaller
events that may have led to the largest one's so I don't know if
what's going on now is similar to the past.

I'll be returning to Spain in August for two weeks to spend some time
with a geologist and his family I met when I was there recenly so I'll
have more field time and see what he might offer which may prove
useful other than the basics for the Andalusia region and there's
nothing like time in the field.

Meanwwhile my new computer prediction program is under construction
and I'll go from Spain to Germany for a week to have a little fun
testing it to get the bugs out.

As for Shan, he's a rare man and one the folks in his region
appreciate.

Petra

On Jun 21, 7:24*pm, Petra Challus wrote:

Hi Michael,

As for subduction, yes, it is real.

The theory -as such it is, nothing more, doesn't comport to the
behaviour of collapsing overburden from old and abandoned mines as
they find their way up. Not a one of them.
Strange, no?

This is a link to some of the stuff I found on the infranet site.
http://my.opera.com/Weatherlawyer/bl...22/infrasonics

It will be a while before I can suss out what it says about the
ionosphere and consequent earthqaukes and storms as such. I must write
and ask them if they have the full arrays they were hoping for as one
proposed for the Bermudas could pick up "stuff" leaving Cape Hattera.
And weather leaving there (Highs or Lows) is likely to instill a
following earthquake in the Aleutians some 80 degrees away.

It should make an ideal paper for some wannabe.

You may have missed it but I posted a year or so back how a Low
passing through two Highs in the North Atlantic will produce a tornado
series some 24 hours later. Something similar works for Highs and Lows
leaving the Southern USA.

It's more like the obverse of the coin, in that the related High and
Low will have isobars compressed most steeply 90 degrees from the
Aleutian epicentre, somewhere between Fox and Rat Islands. (Handy for
catching a window.)

I have a couple of folders of charts I could send you about tornado
reports and the North Atlantic. I have put them in sequences of the
North Atlantic charts, 24 hours in advance of the NWS reports.

(The NWS reports are preliminaries and may show duplication - but even
so the plethora of reports tends to highlight the magnitudes of such
events.)

As it happens they are a three day wave, similar to the runs of storms
seen passing through larger continents called five day waves. But they
only appear three day waves, I'm sure, because Mexico and Canada are
excluded. Tornado spells spiral around over 5 days I am pretty sure
about that but can't prove it.

(Something else I was looking at last year, was the spiral nature of
continents.

The arms of the one for Africa for example increase their distance
similar to thos of Conch shells whilst Antarctica has equally spaced
arms something called Archimedian types. It was all quite lovely how
they focussed and all that but I couldn't do much with it.)

Anyway good luck

On Jun 17, 8:32*am, Weatherlawyer wrote:
I've been looking at the mechanics of volcanoes, with a view to
establishing a connection between them and the weather.

Apart from the new branch of science inerted on the ne'er do wells,
there is a long way to go yet.

Bernard Choett reminds me of that Indian who has the home made solar
observatory in Coimbatore. Fantastic results but limited grasp of
cause.

In the Horizon programme he made about Popakettleon following his
discovery about the Nevada Del Ruis(?) eruption he mentions that Long
Period Events or B harmonics can be used to forecast accuratley the
eruptions of volcanoes.

He swrongly attributes the A tone to rocks breaking and magma
progress.

Fair play there is precious little to go on, I admit. And even though
wrong his discoveries make him one of the richest men in the world. So
I cast no aspersions on a man god is blessing.

However I was thinking along the lines of Helmholtz resonation. Prof
Choett uses the analogy of an organ pipe in his explanation of B
tomes. But in a volcano about to erupt, the cavity is usually sealed.

Someone in the days of conical galss pop bottles, told me that a
bottle of lemonade with a 4" nail in it would explode before long if
it was put in a car boot and taken somewhere. (I can't remember why he
would have wanted to find that out but I believed him.)

So why would it blow?

Why would a volcano blow in any case? There is always a vent or two
open with them or ellse the alternative science of measuring gass
evolution would have never been tried.

What make the chamber resonate when closed rather than when open?

Is it that an open volcano is liable to be neutralised by the wind
blowing across its calderon?
That would be an effect of Helmholtz Resonators used in car exhaust
pipes.

Just this minute I looked up supercritical fluids and found something
more to confound me:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercritical_fluid

Apparently they can make short work of solids. But how much more so
when activated by the frequencies of bad weather or whatever the
weather that seems to affect them. (Allowing for the probability that
they all have different frequencies and react accordingly to different
weather.)

It seems that a long period of anticyclonic weather in the UK thus
over the NE North Atlantic (a Blocking High) is causative for a lot of
Icelandic vulcanicity.

Someone tell me if the anticyclonic stuff extended right through the
atmosphere. I only followed the charts adjusted for mean sea level.

There is a smoker in the region Bjorn Soerheim was posting about a few
months back. That was interesting. And it all seems to bear out what
Thomas Gold was saying all those lost years ago.
I wonder what its activity periods suggest.

Some research on that will yield interesting results for anyone
interested in why the weather stalls on the Mid Atlantic Ridge. (There
now follows a long/very long/long, long, very long... break on behalf
of the Thatcherism Party, whilst someone passes the hat.)

Sometimes we hit the bear and sometimes the bear hits us. But whatever
is held true at any time, the absolute truth will eventually become
the mainstream. That at least is a constant.

(As a PS

Prof or Doctor (or whatever he is) Choett is still pondering what
causes the long period events. Shall I write and tell him?

It appears logical to me; though there are those who think I am
punching below their wait.
With the top off, the cavity doesn't resonate with a full harmonic
wave.
With the top screwed on it blows.
How can it blow?
Where is the gas coming from?
It could vent at will prior to the dome forming. How come there is
still gas to go?
x
clean up the post a bit an submit it to as many scientist as possible.

On Jun 25, 7:48*am, Saint Isadore Patron Saint of the Internet
wrote:

clean up the post a bit an submit it to as many scientist as possible.

Unfortunately the earth sciences are still in the Victorian era. And
there is no shaking the damn fools.

Newton said he was like a boy playing on the sea-shore, finding a
smoother pebble whilst the great ocean of truth lay before before him,
undiscovered.

We should have used those pebbles to build bridges by now but they are
still washing on the shores of a Victorian holiday beach-front
promenade.

We could have reached stars and all we have done is reverted to a
fundamentalism akin to the Inquisition.

I can't see it changing in my lifetime. Hopefully it won't be as long
after I'm gone as I imagine, before the monkeys see reason. But I
can't imagine any monkeys becoming teachable.

Can you?