if a storm of that force happened in the carribean, would it have called
a tropical storm or a hurricane? if so what category would it be 1-5?

On 27/08/2011 10:30, Fonzy wrote:
if a storm of that force happened in the carribean, would it have called
a tropical storm or a hurricane? if so what category would it be 1-5?

Reading this should be helpful in reaching a conclusion.
http://weatherfaqs.org.uk/node/77

cool, bur what number was it?

On 27/08/2011 10:47 AM, shoehorn collector wrote:
On 27/08/2011 10:30, Fonzy wrote:
if a storm of that force happened in the carribean, would it have called
a tropical storm or a hurricane? if so what category would it be 1-5?

Reading this should be helpful in reaching a conclusion.
http://weatherfaqs.org.uk/node/77

cool, but what number was it?

On 27/08/2011 10:47 AM, shoehorn collector wrote:
On 27/08/2011 10:30, Fonzy wrote:
if a storm of that force happened in the carribean, would it have called
a tropical storm or a hurricane? if so what category would it be 1-5?

Reading this should be helpful in reaching a conclusion.
http://weatherfaqs.org.uk/node/77

On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 12:02:48 +0100, Fonzy
wrote:
cool, but what number was it?

Just about scraped a 1 for a short time.

--
Freddie
Bayston Hill
Shropshire
102m AMSL
http://www.hosiene.co.uk/weather/cumulus/

"Freddie" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 12:02:48 +0100, Fonzy wrote:
cool, but what number was it?

Just about scraped a 1 for a short time.

Yes, that has long been my understanding of it.
A few very exposed south coast locations managed a 10-minute
mean of 72 mph..

But that's a *mean* wind speed of course. A gust to hurricane
strength is nothing unusual and ocurrs around coasts & hills every
year in winter, and isn't particualrly unusual in many inland areas
either.

This is the basis of much angst amoung metereologists when
people think a gust of around 30 mph constitutes a 'gale' when
in fact it's nothing of the sort, you need an average wind speed
of that to be classed as a gale, which is a whole different exprerience.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

Col wrote:
"Freddie" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 12:02:48 +0100, Fonzy wrote:
cool, but what number was it?
Just about scraped a 1 for a short time.

Yes, that has long been my understanding of it.
A few very exposed south coast locations managed a 10-minute
mean of 72 mph..

But that's a *mean* wind speed of course. A gust to hurricane
strength is nothing unusual and ocurrs around coasts & hills every
year in winter, and isn't particualrly unusual in many inland areas
either.

This is the basis of much angst amoung metereologists when
people think a gust of around 30 mph constitutes a 'gale' when
in fact it's nothing of the sort, you need an average wind speed
of that to be classed as a gale, which is a whole different exprerience.
---------------------
What I do know is that storm was by a margin the most fearsome weather
experience I recall at home or abroad. (No doubt the 1953 floods near
here would have had more impact if I had been older than 3) We had gusts
of 120mph here and to see metal dustbins flying down the road like paper
cups and tiles crashing off your roof was pretty scary. The number of
massive trees across all the roads and woods completely flattened in
rows was a sight to behold. I still get nervous if I hear a strong wind
buffeting the house.
Dave, S.Essex

On 27/08/11 10:30, Fonzy wrote:
if a storm of that force happened in the carribean, would it have called
a tropical storm or a hurricane? if so what category would it be 1-5?


There were peak sustained winds recorded of 85 mph at Dover, but that
was a 10-minute mean. Hurricane categories are defined relative to a
1-minute mean, which is roughly 12% higher. That would give an estimated
1-minute sustained wind at Dover of 95 mph which is the top end of
Category 1. However, it is extremely unlikely that this would represent
the peak wind within the whole storm and thus it is virtually certain
that higher winds would have been measured, say, over the channel. It is
therefore likely that peak sustained wind speeds in the storm were
equivalent to a low-end category 2 hurricane.

There was a peak gust of 132 mph recorded on the Normandy coast in that
storm. That gust would likely be comparable to station data in the NHC
tropical cyclone reports for a landfalling category 2 hurricane.

"Dave Cornwell" wrote in message
...
Col wrote:
"Freddie" wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 12:02:48 +0100, Fonzy
wrote:
cool, but what number was it?
Just about scraped a 1 for a short time.

Yes, that has long been my understanding of it.
A few very exposed south coast locations managed a 10-minute
mean of 72 mph..

But that's a *mean* wind speed of course. A gust to hurricane
strength is nothing unusual and ocurrs around coasts & hills every
year in winter, and isn't particualrly unusual in many inland areas
either.

This is the basis of much angst amoung metereologists when
people think a gust of around 30 mph constitutes a 'gale' when
in fact it's nothing of the sort, you need an average wind speed
of that to be classed as a gale, which is a whole different exprerience.
---------------------
What I do know is that storm was by a margin the most fearsome weather
experience I recall at home or abroad. (No doubt the 1953 floods near here
would have had more impact if I had been older than 3) We had gusts of
120mph here and to see metal dustbins flying down the road like paper cups
and tiles crashing off your roof was pretty scary. The number of massive
trees across all the roads and woods completely flattened in rows was a
sight to behold. I still get nervous if I hear a strong wind buffeting the
house.

120mph?
I thought peak winds from the storm were of the order of 100mph,
and only then in the most exposed locations.

I can't quite match dustbins flying down the street but walking
back home from work over the highest part of Leeds during the
Burn's Night storm in 1990 is an experience I will never forget.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

On 27/08/11 13:28, Col wrote:
"Dave wrote in message
...
Col wrote:
wrote in message
.. .
On Sat, 27 Aug 2011 12:02:48 +0100,
wrote:
cool, but what number was it?
Just about scraped a 1 for a short time.

Yes, that has long been my understanding of it.
A few very exposed south coast locations managed a 10-minute
mean of 72 mph..

But that's a *mean* wind speed of course. A gust to hurricane
strength is nothing unusual and ocurrs around coasts& hills every
year in winter, and isn't particualrly unusual in many inland areas
either.

This is the basis of much angst amoung metereologists when
people think a gust of around 30 mph constitutes a 'gale' when
in fact it's nothing of the sort, you need an average wind speed
of that to be classed as a gale, which is a whole different exprerience.
---------------------
What I do know is that storm was by a margin the most fearsome weather
experience I recall at home or abroad. (No doubt the 1953 floods near here
would have had more impact if I had been older than 3) We had gusts of
120mph here and to see metal dustbins flying down the road like paper cups
and tiles crashing off your roof was pretty scary. The number of massive
trees across all the roads and woods completely flattened in rows was a
sight to behold. I still get nervous if I hear a strong wind buffeting the
house.

120mph?
I thought peak winds from the storm were of the order of 100mph,
and only then in the most exposed locations.


They were higher than that:

http://royalsociety.org/Content.aspx?id=2373

Highest gust measured on the UK mainland was 122mph at Gorleston, Norfolk.

Highest gust measured anywhe 117kts (132mph), Pointe du Raz, Normandy