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On Aug 27, 10:49*pm, Adam Lea wrote:
On 27/08/11 18:53, Dave Cornwell wrote: Tudor Hughes wrote: On Aug 27, 1:31 pm, Dave Cornwell wrote: Mine a- 1962/63 winter 1987 "Great Storm" 1976 Hot long summer. Although these are obvious for my region I wondered what other regional perceptions would be. The only others really are a couple of notable blizzards, the record minimum low temps of 1982, the high max of Aug 2003 close to me and a T/S in the fifties that flooded our road so deep that people were canoeing along it! Dave, S.Essex Colossal thunderstorm starting at 7 pm Friday 5 Sept 1958 with lightning of a frequency and type (rocket lightning) that I have not seen since. About 60 mm rain in less than an hour. This was the continuation of the Horsham Hailstorm. Spoilt for life at the age of 15. London smog, Sat 6 Dec 1952. So dirty that indoors, in a hall in central London it looked as if someone had set fire to all the waste paper bins. Minimum visibility (outside) was about 10 yards, which is less than it sounds. Much brake-stamping as the bus inched its way through Hyde Park Corner. No fog above 350 ft. Cold day, 12 Jan 1987. ( I had the day off work to take my Mum to hospital for a "1500-mile service" on her new hip.) I could scarcely believe it as the thermometer failed to get above -9.2°C despite sunshine. A temperature of about -7°C in sunny central Croydon at about 2 pm felt positively eerie. In the next 48 hours the snow depth (at home) increased from about 8 cm to 39 cm, the deepest level depth I have seen. Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey ------------ ......... ah the memories come flooding back. "Cold day, 12 Jan 1987. ( I had the day off work to take my Mum to hospital for a "1500-mile service" on her new hip.) I could scarcely believe it as the thermometer failed to get above -9.2°C despite sunshine. A temperature of about -7°C in sunny central Croydon at about 2 pm felt positively eerie. In the next 48 hours the snow depth (at home) increased from about 8 cm to 39 cm, the deepest level depth I have seen." That was the day the sewage froze on the way into the Sewage Treatment plant I was working at. Dave Sheesh what were the overnight minimums? Were local records set?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The overnight min here prior to the -9.2° max was -12.4°, not my lowest, which was -12.9° on 10 Feb 86. The minimum after the low max was only -10.0° due to cloud and snow, lots of it. The max's each side of the 12th were -5.4° and -5.5°. When I set up my screen in Sept 1982 I thought that the lowest maximum I would ever record would be -6° , possibly -7° and that anything lower (as a max) in this part of the country would be confined to valley bottoms where fog had formed overnight and the sun had failed to warm out the intense inversion. But this, far from being an inversion, showed a dry-adiabatic lapse rate from the surface and the maximum at the top of the North Downs (877 ft, 267 m) may well have been -10°C. An extraordinary situation. Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey. 556 ft. |
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On Aug 27, 6:50*pm, Dave Cornwell wrote:
Tudor Hughes wrote: On Aug 27, 1:31 pm, Dave Cornwell wrote: Mine a- 1962/63 winter 1987 "Great Storm" 1976 Hot long summer. Although these are obvious for my region I wondered what other regional perceptions would be. The only others really are a couple of notable blizzards, the record minimum low temps of 1982, the high max of Aug 2003 close to me *and a T/S in the fifties that flooded our road so deep that people were canoeing along it! Dave, S.Essex * * * * * Colossal thunderstorm starting at 7 pm Friday 5 Sept 1958 with lightning of a frequency and type (rocket lightning) that I have not seen since. *About 60 mm rain in less than an hour. * This was the continuation of the Horsham Hailstorm. *Spoilt for life at the age of 15. * * * * *London smog, Sat 6 Dec 1952. *So dirty that indoors, in a hall in central London it looked as if someone had set fire to all the waste paper bins. *Minimum visibility (outside) was about 10 yards, which is less than it sounds. *Much brake-stamping as the bus inched its way through Hyde Park Corner. *No fog above 350 ft. * * * * Cold day, 12 Jan 1987. ( I had the day off work to take my Mum to hospital for a "1500-mile service" on her new hip.) *I could scarcely believe it as the thermometer failed to get above -9.2°C despite sunshine. *A temperature of about -7°C in sunny central Croydon at about 2 pm felt positively eerie. *In the next 48 hours the snow depth (at home) increased from about 8 cm to 39 cm, the deepest level depth I have seen. Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey ---------------- I don't know how I could've forgotten to mention the smog Tudor! When dense fog meant dense fog. I remember struggling to find my own home (on foot)from just a couple of hundreds of metres away. Also did that 1958 storm affect Essex? Perhaps that is the one I referred to? Dave- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The storm certainly affected Essex, at least the southern parts. Totals of over 3 inches (76 mm) occurred in a number of places, probably starting about 8 pm. The most intense rainfall seems to have been at Swanley, Kent, where 2.50" (63 mm) fell in 20 minutes. The comedian Mark Steele, who comes from that place, would say "serve it right" though I think he'd yet to be born. Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey. |
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![]() "Dave Cornwell" wrote in message ... Mine a- 1962/63 winter 1987 "Great Storm" 1976 Hot long summer. Although these are obvious for my region I wondered what other regional perceptions would be. The only others really are a couple of notable blizzards, the record minimum low temps of 1982, the high max of Aug 2003 close to me and a T/S in the fifties that flooded our road so deep that people were canoeing along it! Dave, S.Essex I have lived all over the place. Manchester - Summer 1959 (first time noticed that I tanned easily, out in park all day at 7 years old) Ashbourne - New Year 1963 - massive snowdrifts (driving to visit relatives from Manchester) Manchester 1 July 1968 thunderstorm all day, widespread pluvial flooding. Bracknell - Summers 1975 and 1976 and drought images Binfield (near Bracknell) Dec 1981 - heavy snow on M4 returning from night shift followed by -20degC in garden and ice needles next day. Crowthorne - various thunderstorms (cannot remember dates). Crowthorne - 16/10/87 - The Great Storm (three trees down and chaos getting to work) Crowthorne - 1990s (frustratingly mild winters and very hot and dry summers) Haytor - Fantastic cloudscapes in most months, deep snow with Haytor cut-off for a while on 5 Feb 2009 Will -- |
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At least 6" rain(150mm+)over 2/3 days in Surrey mid September
1968.Occasional thunder and lightning accompanied the most intense rainfall. First two weeks of August 1975 in Southern England ,lots of thundery weather,high humidity high temperatures and that true tropical feel.None of the thunderstorms appeared to clear the air.At the end, 14? August watching the spectacular cloud structure over the Hampstead area as I walked from the City to London Bridge station. |
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On 28/08/2011 08:15, shoehorn collector wrote:
At least 6" rain(150mm+)over 2/3 days in Surrey mid September 1968.Occasional thunder and lightning accompanied the most intense rainfall. First two weeks of August 1975 in Southern England ,lots of thundery weather,high humidity high temperatures and that true tropical feel.None of the thunderstorms appeared to clear the air.At the end, 14? August watching the spectacular cloud structure over the Hampstead area as I walked from the City to London Bridge station. http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/media/pd...ugust_1975.pdf |
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Dave Cornwell writes: John Hall wrote: In article , Dave Cornwell writes: Mine a- 1962/63 winter 1987 "Great Storm" 1976 Hot long summer. Although these are obvious for my region I wondered what other regional perceptions would be. Mine here in Surrey would be the same, with these additions: The extended summer of 1959, when to me as a child it seemed as though we had unbroken sun and warmth from early May to early October. The downpour and flooding of September, 1968. The remarkable spell of extreme cold and the heavy snowfall in January, 1987. The blistering heat of 10th August, 2003, when I felt quite unwell though my aged parents seemed to cope just fine. ------------------ I think it was a Sunday It was. and I was playing cricket. I remember us lying under the wheeled covers for shade while we watching our innings. ( I should hasten to add that this was the only club I know that had covers at our level - I wasn't playing first class cricket at 53!) Dave ![]() Incidentally, I'm surprised that I don't have any memory of the 1958 thunderstorm that Tudor mentioned. I would have been nearly ten at the time, and was living only about 10 miles NW of Horsham. -- John Hall "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened." Winston S Churchill (1874-1965) |
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On Aug 27, 1:31*pm, Dave Cornwell wrote:
Mine a- 1962/63 winter 1987 "Great Storm" 1976 Hot long summer. Although these are obvious for my region I wondered what other regional perceptions would be. The only others really are a couple of notable blizzards, the record minimum low temps of 1982, the high max of Aug 2003 close to me *and a T/S in the fifties that flooded our road so deep that people were canoeing along it! Dave, S.Essex Pretty much the same here Dave, but I would also add a couple more of subjective memories. The pre Christmas London fog in 1962 when as a ten year old I can still recall vivid memories off the old double Decker RT's and RM buses being slowly lead by the conductor inching their way up to the top of Grove Lane in Camberwell. I can still see vividly the street light illuminated yellowy green glow wall of smog as you opened your street door. Yep know it caused untold respiratory health problems but I loved it . But as your thread is about memorable events I'll carry on to the first snowfall of that 62/63 winter. Just weeks after the fog came the real cold, as if the fog wasn't damp and freezing enough, but I lapped it up. Yep boxing day 1962.Bitterly cold day and all of those old enough to remember will recall how cold our homes were then, I've probably said before but we lived in a large , draughty Victorian semi, with no CH, no insulation and single glazed sash cord windows, The only source of heat being the kitchen oven, a paraffin heater and a two bar electric fire and blimey it was cold. So on Boxing Day afternoon around 1pm as my mother, me and my sister waited my dad to return from the pub in his Morris Van, so we could go for our traditional Boxing day dinner at my nan and granddads, I sat staring out of the kitchen window all fully clothed up. Its funny but one of the most deeply etched memories of that day was how bitterly cold it was and being fascinated looking at the increasingly leaden grey sky and then getting so excited as it started to snow, To be honest at that age of ten living London I had only ever seen a couple of snowfalls so this was very eagerly welcomed being Christmas and that. When my dad finally arrived (no drink driving laws then) we drove through the very deserted cold, snowy Boxing day streets to my grandparents place. It was eerily quiet and those days there wasn't many than many private car to be found. Also no shop ever opened on a Sunday let alone Christmas day and Boxing day. It was so quiet you could literally hear the snow fall. At my grandparents which was the downstairs rooms of another old Victorian terraced house at the top Lordship Lane it was also bleedin' cold, but wonderfully warm in their lounge where they had a roaring coal fire but as their lounge wasn't exactly spacious there was only enough chairs for the adults and me and my sister finished up playing with some of our new Christmas presents on that cold lino that passed for flooring in those days., Oh how we forget how we lived, not that long ago really. Anyhow the snow lasted a couple of hours and now with hindsight of wetterzentral's archives you can see what took place that day, but anyhow once the snow stopped everything really started to freeze. Just to add hypothermia to misery my grandparents had an outside loo and I can still picture what was slightly slushy snow now freezing hard, I mean if you needed the toilet you couldn't help *but* notice the bloody weather; believe me you didn't hang around too long out there. Last memories of that day were watching the early evening ITN television news-just two channels then, around sixish and the snow fall was a main item. The news presenter showed either a rushed film shot of the snow in which I believe was Kensington Park. The item ended with the presenter saying that weather experts didn't expect the cold snap to last that long. It's funny I can remember those events but they are only vague memories to my sister and mother. I can't recall if I was disappointed hearing the snow would soon be gone, but I have no further recollections of that day and little did I know of what was to come. |
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, Lawrence13 writes: Yep boxing day 1962.Bitterly cold day and all of those old enough to remember will recall how cold our homes were then, I've probably said before but we lived in a large , draughty Victorian semi, with no CH, no insulation and single glazed sash cord windows, The only source of heat being the kitchen oven, a paraffin heater and a two bar electric fire and blimey it was cold. So on Boxing Day afternoon around 1pm as my mother, me and my sister waited my dad to return from the pub in his Morris Van, so we could go for our traditional Boxing day dinner at my nan and granddads, I sat staring out of the kitchen window all fully clothed up. Its funny but one of the most deeply etched memories of that day was how bitterly cold it was and being fascinated looking at the increasingly leaden grey sky and then getting so excited as it started to snow, To be honest at that age of ten living London I had only ever seen a couple of snowfalls so this was very eagerly welcomed being Christmas and that. When my dad finally arrived (no drink driving laws then) we drove through the very deserted cold, snowy Boxing day streets to my grandparents place. It was eerily quiet and those days there wasn't many than many private car to be found. Also no shop ever opened on a Sunday let alone Christmas day and Boxing day. It was so quiet you could literally hear the snow fall. At my grandparents which was the downstairs rooms of another old Victorian terraced house at the top Lordship Lane it was also bleedin' cold, but wonderfully warm in their lounge where they had a roaring coal fire but as their lounge wasn't exactly spacious there was only enough chairs for the adults and me and my sister finished up playing with some of our new Christmas presents on that cold lino that passed for flooring in those days., Oh how we forget how we lived, not that long ago really. Anyhow the snow lasted a couple of hours and now with hindsight of wetterzentral's archives you can see what took place that day, but anyhow once the snow stopped everything really started to freeze. Just to add hypothermia to misery my grandparents had an outside loo and I can still picture what was slightly slushy snow now freezing hard, I mean if you needed the toilet you couldn't help *but* notice the bloody weather; believe me you didn't hang around too long out there. Last memories of that day were watching the early evening ITN television news-just two channels then, around sixish and the snow fall was a main item. The news presenter showed either a rushed film shot of the snow in which I believe was Kensington Park. The item ended with the presenter saying that weather experts didn't expect the cold snap to last that long. It's funny I can remember those events but they are only vague memories to my sister and mother. I can't recall if I was disappointed hearing the snow would soon be gone, but I have no further recollections of that day and little did I know of what was to come. A brilliant evocation, Lawrence. Thanks for taking the trouble to write it. -- John Hall "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened." Winston S Churchill (1874-1965) |
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On Aug 28, 10:26*am, John Hall wrote:
In article , *Dave Cornwell writes: John Hall wrote: In article , *Dave Cornwell writes: Mine a- 1962/63 winter 1987 "Great Storm" 1976 Hot long summer. Although these are obvious for my region I wondered what other regional perceptions would be. *Mine here in Surrey would be the same, with these additions: *The extended summer of 1959, when to me as a child it seemed as though we had unbroken sun and warmth from early May to early October. The downpour and flooding of September, 1968. The remarkable spell of extreme cold and the heavy snowfall in January, 1987. The blistering heat of 10th August, 2003, when I felt quite unwell though my aged parents seemed to cope just fine. ------------------ I think it was a Sunday It was. and I was playing cricket. I remember us lying under the wheeled covers for shade while we watching our innings. ( I should hasten to add that this was the only club I know that had covers at our level - I wasn't playing first class cricket at 53!) Dave ![]() Incidentally, I'm surprised that I don't have any memory of the 1958 thunderstorm that Tudor mentioned. I would have been nearly ten at the time, and was living only about 10 miles NW of Horsham. -- John Hall * * * * * * "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick * * * * * * *themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened." * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Winston S Churchill (1874-1965)- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - That ten miles may have been enough for you to miss most of the fun but it would certainly have got dark, gloomy and greenish about 6.30 pm. During the Hampstead storm (14/8/75) I was in someone's house in Croydon and had no idea of the mayhem being created about 10 miles north though I did notice it had got rather dark. There was very little rain even immediately south of the Thames, let alone in Croydon. Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey. |
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Lawrence13 wrote:
On Aug 27, 1:31 pm, Dave Cornwell wrote: Mine a- 1962/63 winter 1987 "Great Storm" 1976 Hot long summer. Although these are obvious for my region I wondered what other regional perceptions would be. The only others really are a couple of notable blizzards, the record minimum low temps of 1982, the high max of Aug 2003 close to me and a T/S in the fifties that flooded our road so deep that people were canoeing along it! Dave, S.Essex Pretty much the same here Dave, but I would also add a couple more of subjective memories. The pre Christmas London fog in 1962 when as a ten year old I can still recall vivid memories off the old double Decker RT's and RM buses being slowly lead by the conductor inching their way up to the top of Grove Lane in Camberwell. I can still see vividly the street light illuminated yellowy green glow wall of smog as you opened your street door. Yep know it caused untold respiratory health problems but I loved it . But as your thread is about memorable events I'll carry on to the first snowfall of that 62/63 winter. Just weeks after the fog came the real cold, as if the fog wasn't damp and freezing enough, but I lapped it up. Yep boxing day 1962.Bitterly cold day and all of those old enough to remember will recall how cold our homes were then, I've probably said before but we lived in a large , draughty Victorian semi, with no CH, no insulation and single glazed sash cord windows, The only source of heat being the kitchen oven, a paraffin heater and a two bar electric fire and blimey it was cold. So on Boxing Day afternoon around 1pm as my mother, me and my sister waited my dad to return from the pub in his Morris Van, so we could go for our traditional Boxing day dinner at my nan and granddads, I sat staring out of the kitchen window all fully clothed up. Its funny but one of the most deeply etched memories of that day was how bitterly cold it was and being fascinated looking at the increasingly leaden grey sky and then getting so excited as it started to snow, To be honest at that age of ten living London I had only ever seen a couple of snowfalls so this was very eagerly welcomed being Christmas and that. When my dad finally arrived (no drink driving laws then) we drove through the very deserted cold, snowy Boxing day streets to my grandparents place. It was eerily quiet and those days there wasn't many than many private car to be found. Also no shop ever opened on a Sunday let alone Christmas day and Boxing day. It was so quiet you could literally hear the snow fall. At my grandparents which was the downstairs rooms of another old Victorian terraced house at the top Lordship Lane it was also bleedin' cold, but wonderfully warm in their lounge where they had a roaring coal fire but as their lounge wasn't exactly spacious there was only enough chairs for the adults and me and my sister finished up playing with some of our new Christmas presents on that cold lino that passed for flooring in those days., Oh how we forget how we lived, not that long ago really. Anyhow the snow lasted a couple of hours and now with hindsight of wetterzentral's archives you can see what took place that day, but anyhow once the snow stopped everything really started to freeze. Just to add hypothermia to misery my grandparents had an outside loo and I can still picture what was slightly slushy snow now freezing hard, I mean if you needed the toilet you couldn't help *but* notice the bloody weather; believe me you didn't hang around too long out there. Last memories of that day were watching the early evening ITN television news-just two channels then, around sixish and the snow fall was a main item. The news presenter showed either a rushed film shot of the snow in which I believe was Kensington Park. The item ended with the presenter saying that weather experts didn't expect the cold snap to last that long. It's funny I can remember those events but they are only vague memories to my sister and mother. I can't recall if I was disappointed hearing the snow would soon be gone, but I have no further recollections of that day and little did I know of what was to come. ------------------ Vintage stuff and very evocative for us oldies. "..the early evening ITN television news-just two channels then.." Bliss, too much bloody information these days! Dave |
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