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On Aug 29, 8:07 pm, "Will Hand" wrote:
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On Aug 29, 7:11 pm, "Will Hand" wrote:

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No-one said that older things concernes with health are not are not
correct. It doesn't surprise me in the slightest, as I have a half-
decent knowledge of the value of wildflowers and herbal medicines. I
doubt the Rosicrucians called them vitamins and antioxidents, however.
Neither did they understand their workings. Like many cultures,
however, they will have understood their effects. I'm very glad to
hear that the Rosicrucians have modernised their healing techniques in
the light of modern medicine. Very sensible. Do your healers only use
these ancient medicinal routes, or do they employ spiritualist
techniques. It appears that they do from their literatu

"The Rosicrucian work of healing is carried on by the Elder Brothers
of The Rosicrucian Order through a band of Invisible Helpers whom they
are instructing. The work is conducted according to the commands of
Christ Jesus, namely, "Preach the gospel and heal the sick."
Applications for assistance may be made to our Healing
Department."http://www.rosicrucian.com/healing.htm
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Will reply:
That web site is nothing to do with the official Rosicrucian Order
AMORC.
It
is something put together by a group of Christian mystics.
Unfortunately
the
word "Rosicrucian" is not copyrighted but AMORC is.
So the answer is a firm NO from me regarding spiritualist techniques.

Paul:
Good, I hoped not. However, searching the past editions of Rose-Croix,
there is this abstract:

MIND-BODY-SPIRITUALITY AND HEALTH INTERACTIONS
Lonnie C. Edwards M.D.
Vice-President of the English Grand Lodge for the Americas: The
Rosicrucian Order, AMORC
Abstract:
Mind/body and spirituality in health and healing include a variety of
approaches, treatments and findings. Harvard and Duke Universities,
among others, have provided academic settings for encouraging and
exciting forums for discussion of these topics. Presentations of
research findings include such areas as body/mind and spirituality in
healing, religious influences and their effect on immune and
cardiovascular systems, the importance of thoughts, and other subjects
dealing with health and well being. This research supports the use of
many methodologies, including support groups, imaging, relaxation
training and meditation. The Rosicrucian Order and its mystical
teachings encompass the ideas and principles now being investigated.

This appears to be current teaching, unless I'm mistaken? There are
also articles on how a dowser can be magnetically impaired and an
article discussing the two marriages of Alchemy. Like i said, these
are at the very edges of science and some would say outside of
science.
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Will reply:
They are meant to be "on the edge" as that is partly what Rosicrucians
are
about, free thinking, exploration and philosophy. We leave mainstream to
the
experts in the field. You may have noticed that the editorial board is
full
of academics with PhDs.





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This is the current edition of the Rose Croix journal.

http://www.rosecroixjournal.org/issues/index.html

I see articles about angels, and concealing and revealing
Shakespeare's secrets, together with other religious content, but
would you point out to me the science in those articles? They may well
have been peer reviewed, but the articles are at the far edges of
science.
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Will reply:
And? Others are in a different vein. I haven't read the articles you
quote.
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Paul:
I couldn't see any others on the website in the current edition. There
are more? There are ceratinly past editions, from which I've quoted
the above articles.

http://www.rosecroixjournal.org/issues/archives.html

There are ones that appear to relate to more mainstream scientific
concepts, but their content is there often to try to link Rosicrucian
teaching to some scientific principle. It's certainly revealing!

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Will reply:
Thanks for taking the time to look Paul. I hoped it would be of some
interest. I did mean past editions, sorry for the confusion.

Paul, do you mind if we leave it here, I have enjoyed our robust
discussion
even though I do get passionate at times.

We are very much OT for the rest of the group viz a viz Len's
interjection.
Happy to continue via e-mail if you wish?

Thanks also for snipping - helpful.

Cheers,

Will
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Ah.. when did a discussion on usenet ever follow the discussion title
after 30+ posts? *))

Like I said, judging by the article in the annual Rose-Croix journal,
spiritual healing appears to be current practice within the
Rosicrutians. Does your organisation practice spiritual healing and
does it advocate spiritual healing as a producer of cures? The content
of the journal is definitely "on the edge"! I just can't see a great
deal of science in there and you've said that is a major thrust of
Rosicrutian teaching. If so, why do so many articles in your
organisation's journal relate to religious points and not scientific
ones? (Angels? Dowsing?).
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Will reply:
The articles are written by Rosicrucians of whom some are religious,
others are not. The existence of angels is not taught but some are
interested. I'm not personally.
Have you ever tried dowsing? Dowsing again is not taught per se but many
are interested in it. My next door neighbour (other side to meditation
consultant) has used it successfully as have many thousands of others.
Statistically the chance of a random success is astronomically small. But
how does it work? That is why it is investigated and one would hope that
controlled experiments would take place in an atmosphere of open
investigation. Religious type healing is not taught I can assure you of
that. We do use a technique called "absent healing" which involves
visualising the person (perhaps using a recent photograph) and then
sending healing through thought ( I simplify but you get the idea) . I
have done that successfully myself for a friend. OK that per se says
nothing to an outsider it may have been a coincidence but again that is
why these things need to be investigated properly. Another thing you must
be aware of is not to confuse "spiritual" with "religious", in a mystical
sense both mean different things. A person can be spiritual without being
religious and vice-versa. I would describe myself as a spiritual person
but I have no religion whatsoever. HTH.


As an aside and in balance to what I said above, there are some open studies
that have found dowsing to be nothing more than chance despite the chance of
an individual random success being astronomically small. It is a
controversial but interesting area. I personally go along with the theory
that the rods somehow amplify signals in the user's subconscious.

Will
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Paul, do you mind if we leave it here, I have enjoyed our robust
discussion
even though I do get passionate at times.

We are very much OT for the rest of the group viz a viz Len's
interjection.
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Interesting but probably a good idea at this point. :-)
Dave