Lawrence13 wrote:
On Sep 11, 2:19 pm, "Col" wrote:
Lawrence13 wrote:
On Sep 11, 1:02 pm, "Togless" wrote:
"Lawrence13" wrote:
Global temps well down on last year and a new La Nina just
started...

Variations around an accelerating anthropogenic warming trend.

Anthropogenic is a word made by man. Still not as warm as the last
interglacial - cooling ahead.

When do you think that arctic ice extent will recover to the level of
the 1972-2008 average, as shown on the original link?
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

Next Thursday at about 4:30 ish, pm of course.

Never mind the jokes Lawrence, I asked a serious question.
You talk of 'cooling ahead'. When will this said cooling lead
to an arctic sea extent comparable to the 1972-2008 average?
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

On Sep 11, 3:01*pm, "Togless" wrote:
"Lawrence13" wrote:
On Sep 11, 1:02 pm, "Togless" wrote:
"Lawrence13" wrote:
Global temps well down on last year and a new La Nina just started....

Variations around an accelerating anthropogenic warming trend.

Anthropogenic is a word made by man. Still not as warm as the last
interglacial *- * cooling ahead.

Not likely. *Even if we reduced our emissions to zero (which realistically
isn't going to happen, short of 7 billion people succumbing to a fatal
disease), global temperature would stabilise, but not fall.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...limate-change-...

If the cooling isn't imminent then that is fantastic news, it would
mean that humans utilised all that energy to bring to the cusp of
fantastic things that weren't even dreamt a couple of hundred years
ago and in doing so we get a bonus of a far more benign climate, far
more plant food in the atmosphere and thus better food production.
Looks like a win/ win to me. I still feel though that global cooling
is our future which would be a disaster. Let's keep our fingers
crossed that humans have slightly warmed the planet, because if other
climate forcing's far outweigh that of humans 100 PPM of co2 then we
are eventually in big, big trouble. If however our paltry 100ppm has
staved of global cooling then who said there's no such thing as a free
lunch. How good is that?

On Sep 11, 4:30*pm, "Col" wrote:
Lawrence13 wrote:
On Sep 11, 2:19 pm, "Col" wrote:
Lawrence13 wrote:
On Sep 11, 1:02 pm, "Togless" wrote:
"Lawrence13" wrote:
Global temps well down on last year and a new La Nina just
started...

Variations around an accelerating anthropogenic warming trend.

Anthropogenic is a word made by man. Still not as warm as the last
interglacial - cooling ahead.

When do you think that arctic ice extent will recover to the level of
the 1972-2008 average, as shown on the original link?
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

Next Thursday at about 4:30 ish, pm of course.

Never mind the jokes Lawrence, I asked a serious question.
You talk of 'cooling ahead'. When will this said cooling lead
to an arctic sea extent comparable to the 1972-2008 average?
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl- Hide quoted text -

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I could turn that around Col and say when will these said rising sea
levels threaten our coastlines. When will the said increase in super
sized hurricanes start. Or when will the said disapearance of snowfall
begin. When all is said and done there's nothing shaking but the
leaves in the tree. I'm still waiting for the last said three BBQ
summers and they were predicted by tn experts the Met Office, and
golly gosh if anyone knows about AGW then they do.

On Sep 11, 3:55*pm, Stewart Robert Hinsley
wrote:
In message , Togless
writes

"Lawrence13" wrote:

On Sep 11, 1:02 pm, "Togless" wrote:
"Lawrence13" wrote:
Global temps well down on last year and a new La Nina just started....

Variations around an accelerating anthropogenic warming trend.

Anthropogenic is a word made by man. Still not as warm as the last
interglacial *- * cooling ahead.

Not likely. *Even if we reduced our emissions to zero (which
realistically isn't going to happen, short of 7 billion people
succumbing to a fatal disease), global temperature would stabilise, but
not fall.

I would expect temperature to fall, after an initial rise as the climate
settles into a short-term equilibrium, but on a timescale of centuries.

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php...ate-change-com
mitments/

--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

Already two AGW protagonist disagree.

Lawrence13 wrote:
On Sep 11, 4:30 pm, "Col" wrote:


Never mind the jokes Lawrence, I asked a serious question.
You talk of 'cooling ahead'. When will this said cooling lead
to an arctic sea extent comparable to the 1972-2008 average?
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I could turn that around Col and say when will these said rising sea
levels threaten our coastlines. When will the said increase in super
sized hurricanes start. Or when will the said disapearance of snowfall
begin. When all is said and done there's nothing shaking but the
leaves in the tree. I'm still waiting for the last said three BBQ
summers and they were predicted by tn experts the Met Office, and
golly gosh if anyone knows about AGW then they do.

You've answered a question with a question, Lawrence.

I ask again:
When will this said cooling lead to an arctic sea extent comparable
to the 1972-2008 average?
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

On Sep 11, 5:18*pm, "Col" wrote:
Lawrence13 wrote:
On Sep 11, 4:30 pm, "Col" wrote:

Never mind the jokes Lawrence, I asked a serious question.
You talk of 'cooling ahead'. When will this said cooling lead
to an arctic sea extent comparable to the 1972-2008 average?
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I could turn that around Col and say when will these said rising *sea
levels threaten our coastlines. When will the said increase in super
sized hurricanes start. Or when will the said disapearance of snowfall
begin. When all is said and done there's nothing shaking but the
leaves in the tree. *I'm still waiting for the last said *three BBQ
summers *and they were predicted by tn experts the Met Office, and
golly gosh if anyone knows about AGW then they do.

You've answered a question with a question, Lawrence.

I ask again:
When will this said cooling lead to an arctic sea extent comparable
to the 1972-2008 average?
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl- Hide quoted text -

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The coming decade. Now answer mine.

On Sep 11, 6:41*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:
On Sep 11, 5:18*pm, "Col" wrote:





Lawrence13 wrote:
On Sep 11, 4:30 pm, "Col" wrote:

Never mind the jokes Lawrence, I asked a serious question.
You talk of 'cooling ahead'. When will this said cooling lead
to an arctic sea extent comparable to the 1972-2008 average?
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I could turn that around Col and say when will these said rising *sea
levels threaten our coastlines. When will the said increase in super
sized hurricanes start. Or when will the said disapearance of snowfall
begin. When all is said and done there's nothing shaking but the
leaves in the tree. *I'm still waiting for the last said *three BBQ
summers *and they were predicted by tn experts the Met Office, and
golly gosh if anyone knows about AGW then they do.

You've answered a question with a question, Lawrence.

I ask again:
When will this said cooling lead to an arctic sea extent comparable
to the 1972-2008 average?
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The coming decade. Now answer mine.- Hide quoted text -

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Why on earth would you think that? And why doesn't anyone working in
the cryosphere appear to agree with you? Doesn't it concern you that
none do?

Lawrence13 wrote:
On Sep 11, 5:18 pm, "Col" wrote:
Lawrence13 wrote:
On Sep 11, 4:30 pm, "Col" wrote:

Never mind the jokes Lawrence, I asked a serious question.
You talk of 'cooling ahead'. When will this said cooling lead
to an arctic sea extent comparable to the 1972-2008 average?
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I could turn that around Col and say when will these said rising sea
levels threaten our coastlines. When will the said increase in super
sized hurricanes start. Or when will the said disapearance of
snowfall begin. When all is said and done there's nothing shaking
but the leaves in the tree. I'm still waiting for the last said
three BBQ summers and they were predicted by tn experts the Met
Office, and golly gosh if anyone knows about AGW then they do.

You've answered a question with a question, Lawrence.

I ask again:
When will this said cooling lead to an arctic sea extent comparable
to the 1972-2008 average?
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The coming decade. Now answer mine.

Rising sea levels - nobody ever said we would be innundated
during the first couple of decades of the 21st century. It was
always a 50-100 year thing.

Super-hurricanes- don't know about this one, you will have
to expand further.

Disappeareance of snowfall - Do you mean in the UK or in
the world in general? Do not allow a couple of cold & snowy
Decembers to delude you into thinking that the world climate
has changed.

BBQ Summers - I only ever remember *one* barbeque summer,
not three. Yu can take a swipe at the Met Office if you want to
but the scientific reasoning behind predicting the weather on adaily. weekly
or even seasonal basis is far removed from +8

Lawrence13 wrote:
On Sep 11, 5:18 pm, "Col" wrote:
Lawrence13 wrote:
On Sep 11, 4:30 pm, "Col" wrote:

Never mind the jokes Lawrence, I asked a serious question.
You talk of 'cooling ahead'. When will this said cooling lead
to an arctic sea extent comparable to the 1972-2008 average?
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I could turn that around Col and say when will these said rising sea
levels threaten our coastlines. When will the said increase in super
sized hurricanes start. Or when will the said disapearance of
snowfall begin. When all is said and done there's nothing shaking
but the leaves in the tree. I'm still waiting for the last said
three BBQ summers and they were predicted by tn experts the Met
Office, and golly gosh if anyone knows about AGW then they do.

You've answered a question with a question, Lawrence.

I ask again:
When will this said cooling lead to an arctic sea extent comparable
to the 1972-2008 average?
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

The coming decade. Now answer mine.
Rising sea levels - nobody ever said we would be innundated
during the first couple of decades of the 21st century. It was
always a 50-100 year thing.

Super-hurricanes- don't know about this one, you will have
to expand further.

Disappeareance of snowfall - Do you mean in the UK or in
the world in general? Do not allow a couple of cold & snowy
Decembers to delude you into thinking that the world climate
has changed.

BBQ Summers - I only ever remember one barbeque summer,
not three. You can take a swipe at the Met Office if you want to
but the scientific reasoning behind predicting the weather on a daily,
weekly or even seasonal basis is far removed from predicting the
general trends of AGW which take place over *decades*.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

On 11/09/11 19:37, Col wrote:

Super-hurricanes- don't know about this one, you will have
to expand further.


After the very destructive 2004 & 2005 hurricane seasons there was some
suggestion that a warming climate was increasing the intensity of
tropical cyclones. The general consensus now is that in a warmer
climate, tropical cyclone numbers globally will decrease, and there will
be a small increase in the intensity and rainfall (about 5%). In this
case, natural variability will dominate over any long term trends.