http://www.real-science.com/arctic-temperatures-1958


53 Years of Anthropogenic Global Warming and

No change whatsoever between 1958 and 2011 in the Arctic Temperatures
80N.


How insidious is AGW, when the swine hides like a coward in the
temperature data. AGW needs to be outed and soon, before it hides even
further deeply disguised as mediocrity. the worst is yet to
come........apparently.

On Oct 17, 5:37*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:
http://www.real-science.com/arctic-temperatures-1958

53 Years of Anthropogenic Global Warming *and

No change whatsoever between 1958 and 2011 in the Arctic Temperatures
80N.

How insidious is AGW, when the swine hides like a coward in the
temperature data. AGW needs to be outed and soon, before it hides even
further deeply disguised as mediocrity. the worst is yet to
come........apparently.

Toss. A. What does; *global* mean? And then B. what does;
"cherrypicking" 2 data points mean?

Silly boy.

On Oct 17, 8:24*pm, Dawlish wrote:
On Oct 17, 5:37*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:

http://www.real-science.com/arctic-temperatures-1958

53 Years of Anthropogenic Global Warming *and

No change whatsoever between 1958 and 2011 in the Arctic Temperatures
80N.

How insidious is AGW, when the swine hides like a coward in the
temperature data. AGW needs to be outed and soon, before it hides even
further deeply disguised as mediocrity. the worst is yet to
come........apparently.

Toss. A. What does; *global* mean? And then B. what does;
"cherrypicking" 2 data points mean?

Silly boy.

Toss? What the hell are you on about, can't you just accept that the
favourite you've backed looks like loosing and accept it with dignity
and grace.

"Lawrence13" wrote:

http://www.real-science.com/arctic-temperatures-1958

53 Years of Anthropogenic Global Warming and

No change whatsoever between 1958 and 2011 in the Arctic Temperatures
80N.

Do you think there might be something that Steve Goddard isn't telling
you? -

http://www.columbia.edu/~mhs119/Temp...igs/zonalT.gif

Goddard is trying to hide the 2°C of Arctic warming in a graph showing an
annual cycle of around 30°C, and hoping people won't notice.

The Arctic is the fastest warming latitude band on the planet, and you're
trying to tell us that nothing's happening. You're trying to tell us that
the precipitous decline of Arctic sea ice is of no significance.

If you truly believe this, despite the evidence which you must be aware of,
then you're living in fantasy land. I've nothing against you personally
Lawrence and I enjoy your other postings, but this kind of thing is just
absurd. Wake up and accept reality.

On Oct 17, 9:56*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:
On Oct 17, 8:24*pm, Dawlish wrote:





On Oct 17, 5:37*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:

http://www.real-science.com/arctic-temperatures-1958

53 Years of Anthropogenic Global Warming *and

No change whatsoever between 1958 and 2011 in the Arctic Temperatures
80N.

How insidious is AGW, when the swine hides like a coward in the
temperature data. AGW needs to be outed and soon, before it hides even
further deeply disguised as mediocrity. the worst is yet to
come........apparently.

Toss. A. What does; *global* mean? And then B. what does;
"cherrypicking" 2 data points mean?

Silly boy.

Toss? What the hell are you on about, can't you just accept that the
favourite you've backed looks like loosing and accept it with dignity
and grace.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Answer these two questions, dear boy, because what you said is utter
toss using what you've presented:

A. What does; *global* mean?
B. What does; cherrypicking 2 single data points from a long series
show you?

On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 23:35:16 +0100, Togless wrote:

"Lawrence13" wrote:

http://www.real-science.com/arctic-temperatures-1958

53 Years of Anthropogenic Global Warming and

No change whatsoever between 1958 and 2011 in the Arctic Temperatures
80N.

Do you think there might be something that Steve Goddard isn't telling
you? -

http://www.columbia.edu/~mhs119/Temp...igs/zonalT.gif

Goddard is trying to hide the 2°C of Arctic warming in a graph showing
an annual cycle of around 30°C, and hoping people won't notice.



Also, although I agree that the photograph is of the USS Skate, it is not
known where or when that photo was taken. The only photo I can find of
the Skate surfacing at the Pole on March 17 1959, is of it having broken
through ice that looks about a foot thick. This would have been a
refrozen polynya, originally opened up by wind and/or current movement.
There is no water anywhere in sight.


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On 18/10/2011 12:22, Graham P Davis wrote:
On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 23:35:16 +0100, Togless wrote:

wrote:

http://www.real-science.com/arctic-temperatures-1958

53 Years of Anthropogenic Global Warming and

No change whatsoever between 1958 and 2011 in the Arctic Temperatures
80N.

Do you think there might be something that Steve Goddard isn't telling
you? -

http://www.columbia.edu/~mhs119/Temp...igs/zonalT.gif

Goddard is trying to hide the 2°C of Arctic warming in a graph showing
an annual cycle of around 30°C, and hoping people won't notice.



Also, although I agree that the photograph is of the USS Skate, it is not
known where or when that photo was taken. The only photo I can find of
the Skate surfacing at the Pole on March 17 1959, is of it having broken
through ice that looks about a foot thick. This would have been a
refrozen polynya, originally opened up by wind and/or current movement.
There is no water anywhere in sight.

To be fair it does seem like they were the first to do it and the date
was Aug 11 1958 - see for example:

http://www.navalhistory.org/2011/08/...he-north-pole/

However, it doesn't alter the fact that this is dittohead science cherry
picking one unusually warm year from way back and comparing it with the
average conditions now and then claiming "no change".

Their intention is as always to mislead with smoke and mirrors.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On Oct 18, 1:14*pm, Martin Brown
wrote:
On 18/10/2011 12:22, Graham P Davis wrote:





On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 23:35:16 +0100, Togless wrote:

*wrote:

http://www.real-science.com/arctic-temperatures-1958

53 Years of Anthropogenic Global Warming *and

No change whatsoever between 1958 and 2011 in the Arctic Temperatures
80N.

Do you think there might be something that Steve Goddard isn't telling
you? -

http://www.columbia.edu/~mhs119/Temp...igs/zonalT.gif

Goddard is trying to hide the 2°C of Arctic warming in a graph showing
an annual cycle of around 30°C, and hoping people won't notice.

Also, although I agree that the photograph is of the USS Skate, it is not
known where or when that photo was taken. The only photo I can find of
the Skate surfacing at the Pole on March 17 1959, is of it having broken
through ice that looks about a foot thick. This would have been a
refrozen polynya, originally opened up by wind and/or current movement.
There is no water anywhere in sight.

To be fair it does seem like they were the first to do it and the date
was Aug 11 1958 - see for example:

http://www.navalhistory.org/2011/08/...8-becomes-the-...

However, it doesn't alter the fact that this is dittohead science cherry
picking one unusually warm year from way back and comparing it with the
average conditions now and then claiming "no change".

Their intention is as always to mislead with smoke and mirrors.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Okay to be fair I was being a tad contentious but the arctic temps
currently are the coldest for some fifteen years and overall the
catastrophic predictions for arctic temperatures haven't really
occured.
Out of interest though : why would "Their intention is as always to
mislead with smoke and mirrors.". Why would that be, are you really
saying that people know the truth about AGW but want to destroy the
world? No that is preposterous.

On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 13:14:59 +0100, Martin Brown wrote:

On 18/10/2011 12:22, Graham P Davis wrote:
On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 23:35:16 +0100, Togless wrote:

wrote:

http://www.real-science.com/arctic-temperatures-1958

53 Years of Anthropogenic Global Warming and

No change whatsoever between 1958 and 2011 in the Arctic Temperatures
80N.

Do you think there might be something that Steve Goddard isn't telling
you? -

http://www.columbia.edu/~mhs119/Temp...igs/zonalT.gif

Goddard is trying to hide the 2°C of Arctic warming in a graph showing
an annual cycle of around 30°C, and hoping people won't notice.



Also, although I agree that the photograph is of the USS Skate, it is
not known where or when that photo was taken. The only photo I can find
of the Skate surfacing at the Pole on March 17 1959, is of it having
broken through ice that looks about a foot thick. This would have been
a refrozen polynya, originally opened up by wind and/or current
movement. There is no water anywhere in sight.

To be fair it does seem like they were the first to do it and the date
was Aug 11 1958 - see for example:

http://www.navalhistory.org/2011/08/...8-becomes-the-
first-submarine-to-surface-at-the-north-pole/

However, it doesn't alter the fact that this is dittohead science cherry
picking one unusually warm year from way back and comparing it with the
average conditions now and then claiming "no change".

Their intention is as always to mislead with smoke and mirrors.


Thanks for that link. I wonder why it is that AGW-deniers almost always
claim that photograph to have been taken in March 1959? ;-)

I've ordered a book on the USS Skate by the then captain and that should
clear up any confusion I still have.

I'll also have to re-read my copy of /Nautilus 90N/ which tells the story
of the boat's journey under the Arctic Ice, the first occasion that the
pole had been reached under water. First of all, I'll have to find where
I've put it! If I remember correctly, I bought this book from a slot-
machine on Waterloo station about 45 years ago. I think it cost me 2/6d
and, because it was rather thin, two copies were delivered by the machine
instead of one. The book on the Skate is a little more expensive!

Here's another link showing how the Arctic has warmed at a faster rate
than elsewhe http://tinyurl.com/62kelvh



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On Oct 18, 6:20*am, Dawlish wrote:
On Oct 17, 9:56*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:





On Oct 17, 8:24*pm, Dawlish wrote:

On Oct 17, 5:37*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:

http://www.real-science.com/arctic-temperatures-1958

53 Years of Anthropogenic Global Warming *and

No change whatsoever between 1958 and 2011 in the Arctic Temperatures
80N.

How insidious is AGW, when the swine hides like a coward in the
temperature data. AGW needs to be outed and soon, before it hides even
further deeply disguised as mediocrity. the worst is yet to
come........apparently.

Toss. A. What does; *global* mean? And then B. what does;
"cherrypicking" 2 data points mean?

Silly boy.

Toss? What the hell are you on about, can't you just accept that the
favourite you've backed looks like loosing and accept it with dignity
and grace.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Answer these two questions, dear boy, because what you said is utter
toss using what you've presented:

A. What does; *global* mean?
B. What does; cherrypicking 2 single data points from a long series
show you?- Hide quoted text -

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Well?