Dawlish wrote:

Don't we just know it! No good for man, nor beast!

2 days on from my original post and it now looks like the model
suggestions will resolve into a short-lived battleground slowing of
the Atlantic, with southerlies/south-easterlies for a while, leading
to more October warmth, followed by a gradual winning out by the
Atlantic. How many times do we see that in winter with the associated
angst, soul-searching and banging of heads by the coldies when their
dreams are shattered once again, is pretty awful to see.

That's why uk.sci.weather is a far better place than weather fora
through the winter. Apart from a few individuals (one professional who
really should know a lot better) who jump on the cold bandwagon every
time, posters here are generally far more conservative and will wait
for that agreement and consistency in the models before beginning to
expect cold and snow. Don't you just love in internet weather winter?
*))

Well I'm a 'coldie' but I'd like to think I'm one who has reasonable
expectations and doesn't get carried away with T+240 and beyond
GFS charts. Yes, they are interesting, but I'd like to see consistency
in the models at 7 days, preferably 5 days out before commiting myself to
getting 'excited'

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Col - Toys kept inside the pram where they belong.....

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl