On Nov 17, 8:10*am, Nick wrote:
On Nov 16, 7:29*pm, John Hall wrote:





In article ,
*Dave Cornwell writes:

The fact that 7.5C is the lowest max temp between mid March and
mid November (i.e I would think the months of *late March, April,
Oct and early November often produce lower) could indicate that
2011 will end up as a pretty mild year, bearing in mind that the
South at least had a fairly mild Jan and Feb and Autumn was
above average as well.

And of course April was exceptionally warm. As against that, IIRC the
summer months were cooler than average, but even so unless we have
another severe December I think you will be right.
--
John Hall
* * * * * * *"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism
* * * * * * * by those who have not got it."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * George Bernard Shaw

It's rather annoying that in such a mild year, the three months that
were cool were the three summer months!

Incidentally I wonder if this year would come close to setting the
records for most equable April-October period? In a typical southern
England location I'd guess that all of those months had mean maxima in
the approximate range 17-20C, compared to 14-23 in a typical year.

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Some info from the MetO about the CET. It is annoying that the 3
coolest months were the summer months, I agree. I feel cheated!
However, they weren't too bad in South Devon. It would be hard for
even a very harsh December to reduce the CET below average for the
year, as the anomaly was 1.04C at the end of October and it will
almost certainly rise towards the end of November. To reduce the CET
below average would require December to be the coldest ever in the UK
by a long way.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/h...info_mean.html

Philip has the November CET in record territory:

http://www.climate-uk.com/graphs/201111.htm

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Dawlish writes
On Nov 17, 8:10*am, Nick wrote:
On Nov 16, 7:29*pm, John Hall wrote:





In article ,
*Dave Cornwell writes:

The fact that 7.5C is the lowest max temp between mid March and
mid November (i.e I would think the months of *late March, April,
Oct and early November often produce lower) could indicate that
2011 will end up as a pretty mild year, bearing in mind that the
South at least had a fairly mild Jan and Feb and Autumn was
above average as well.

And of course April was exceptionally warm. As against that, IIRC the
summer months were cooler than average, but even so unless we have
another severe December I think you will be right.
--
John Hall
* * * * * * *"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism
* * * * * * * by those who have not got it."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * George Bernard Shaw

It's rather annoying that in such a mild year, the three months that
were cool were the three summer months!

Incidentally I wonder if this year would come close to setting the
records for most equable April-October period? In a typical southern
England location I'd guess that all of those months had mean maxima in
the approximate range 17-20C, compared to 14-23 in a typical year.

Nick- Hide quoted text -

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Some info from the MetO about the CET. It is annoying that the 3
coolest months were the summer months, I agree. I feel cheated!
However, they weren't too bad in South Devon. It would be hard for
even a very harsh December to reduce the CET below average for the
year, as the anomaly was 1.04C at the end of October and it will
almost certainly rise towards the end of November. To reduce the CET
below average would require December to be the coldest ever in the UK
by a long way.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/h...info_mean.html

Philip has the November CET in record territory:

http://www.climate-uk.com/graphs/201111.htm

It's a bit early to be counting that clutch of chickens.
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

On Nov 17, 8:36*pm, Stewart Robert Hinsley
wrote:
In message
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Dawlish writes





On Nov 17, 8:10*am, Nick wrote:
On Nov 16, 7:29*pm, John Hall wrote:

In article ,
*Dave Cornwell writes:

The fact that 7.5C is the lowest max temp between mid March and
mid November (i.e I would think the months of *late March, April,
Oct and early November often produce lower) could indicate that
2011 will end up as a pretty mild year, bearing in mind that the
South at least had a fairly mild Jan and Feb and Autumn was
above average as well.

And of course April was exceptionally warm. As against that, IIRC the
summer months were cooler than average, but even so unless we have
another severe December I think you will be right.
--
John Hall
* * * * * * *"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism
* * * * * * * by those who have not got it."
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * George Bernard Shaw

It's rather annoying that in such a mild year, the three months that
were cool were the three summer months!

Incidentally I wonder if this year would come close to setting the
records for most equable April-October period? In a typical southern
England location I'd guess that all of those months had mean maxima in
the approximate range 17-20C, compared to 14-23 in a typical year.

Nick- Hide quoted text -

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Some info from the MetO about the CET. It is annoying that the 3
coolest months were the summer months, I agree. I feel cheated!
However, they weren't too bad in South Devon. It would be hard for
even a very harsh December to reduce the CET below average for the
year, as the anomaly was 1.04C at the end of October and it will
almost certainly rise towards the end of November. To reduce the CET
below average would require December to be the coldest ever in the UK
by a long way.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/h...info_mean.html

Philip has the November CET in record territory:

http://www.climate-uk.com/graphs/201111.htm

It's a bit early to be counting that clutch of chickens.
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley- Hide quoted text -

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??

that looks like 2 backsides doing a poo

are you a-level in ascii art?

On 17/11/2011 9:27 PM, Dawlish wrote:

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"Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message
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Dawlish writes


http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/h...info_mean.html

Philip has the November CET in record territory:

http://www.climate-uk.com/graphs/201111.htm

It's a bit early to be counting that clutch of chickens.

He's not.
The graph shows what the CET is up to now, there is
no forecast/projection as to what it will actually be for
November as a whole.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

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"Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message
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In message
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Dawlish writes


http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/h...info_mean.html

Philip has the November CET in record territory:

http://www.climate-uk.com/graphs/201111.htm

It's a bit early to be counting that clutch of chickens.

He's not.
The graph shows what the CET is up to now, there is
no forecast/projection as to what it will actually be for
November as a whole.

I interpreted the horizontal lines of the graph as showing the CETs for
November as a whole (as is clearly the case for the rainfall and
sunshire graphs). If so, the graph shows the highest CET for November as
a whole. Comparison with the actual temperatures for the first half of
this November doesn't show the November CET in record territory - for
that you'd need the historical CETs for the first half of November.
Comparing the CET for the first half of November with the CET for the
whole of November is comparing apples with oranges.

Now that we've had another few days of seasonally warm weather, and a
projection of it continuing for the next few days, it's more reasonable
to start speculating about a record.
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley

On Nov 19, 10:05*am, Stewart Robert Hinsley
wrote:
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"Stewart Robert Hinsley" wrote in message
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Dawlish writes

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/h...info_mean.html

Philip has the November CET in record territory:

http://www.climate-uk.com/graphs/201111.htm

It's a bit early to be counting that clutch of chickens.

He's not.
The graph shows what the CET is up to now, there is
no forecast/projection as to what it will actually be for
November as a whole.

I interpreted the horizontal lines of the graph as showing the CETs for
November as a whole (as is clearly the case for the rainfall and
sunshire graphs). If so, the graph shows the highest CET for November as
a whole. Comparison with the actual temperatures for the first half of
this November doesn't show the November CET in record territory - for
that you'd need the historical CETs for the first half of November.
Comparing the CET for the first half of November with the CET for the
whole of November is comparing apples with oranges.

Now that we've had another few days of seasonally warm weather, and a
projection of it continuing for the next few days, it's more reasonable
to start speculating about a record.
--
Stewart Robert Hinsley- Hide quoted text -

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You'll have to read Philip's own commentary Stuart. He does exactly
what you have said and he is not comparing the first half of November
to November as a whole. Col and I are correct; the CET is at a record
for 1-15 November by the Manley series and it was the warmest first
half of November in the CET record. Whether it stays in record
territory and November ends up as a monthly record, is specultaion, I
agree. I think it will be close from what is presently shown on the
models, but I think it will just fall short, as they stand ATM.