On Nov 17, 12:20*am, Lawrence13 wrote:
On Nov 16, 10:43*pm, Dave Cornwell wrote:





Stan Laurel wrote:
that just killed it for it me
too much to ask for wasnt it

the super biased bbc again, i wont watch #7

On 16/11/2011 10:09 PM, Jim Kewley wrote:

It's an excellent series, thank goodness for the BBC.

According to this article in the Guardian, it seems that not everybody
will get to see the final programme which mentions climate change.

http://tiny.cc/2onx4

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Don't blame the Beeb. They get pushed and pulled in all directions these
days. They cannot be accused of being left or right, more likely both
and neither, depending on the issue and your own standpoint.
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Really? *They are a disparate bunch of bitter hedonistic *opportunist
minority groups and rabid lefty luvvies. You only have to endure East
Enders for ten minutes to sum them up. Having been through the left,
you can recognise the loathing self hatred on 90 k per year on
license fee money; *at the drop of a hat.

The BBC yesterday *morning made *big deal with their usual big brother
tripe about a BMA report on smoking in cars and how harmful it *is to,
diddy, *diddums, children. Well I hate smoking, being a non smoker but
the BMA? I think they'd fare far better dealing with MRSA in the NHS
which has killed over thirty thousand people in the UK in just five
years and that's without those that were very ill and the barrier
nursing required to try and contain the infection. *Or if they are
really serious about a present danger to live then maybe they could
address abortion-which the NHS and BMA condone regardless of the fact
that 200,000 odd babies are killed every year.

You know I don't want to drop names but my ex father in law was a
professor *of paediatrics and he ran a dedicated team trying to save
premature babies being born at 22 weeks and everyone applauded that
virtuous dedication. Yet meanwhile a couple of floors below there was
another team dedicated to killing babies at 26 weeks and everyone -
especially the left stayed very, very, *silent.

Nothing to do with weather and AGW regarding *Frozen Planet but Dave
created the opportunity. Me? I don't care as Orwell said

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Larry, just appear to have a very confused, mixed up mind which leaves
you very annoyed and frustrated at a world which doesn't listen to you
and your views, really.

Best not to quote Orwell. He took a bullet through his throat fighting
fascism and he really wouldn't have agreed with you.

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 22:16:51 -0800 (PST)
Dawlish wrote:

The BBC yesterday Â*morning made Â*big deal with their usual big
brother tripe about a BMA report on smoking in cars and how harmful
it Â*is

And they showed both sides of the argument. Vox-pops had views across
the board and the Forest spokesman gave his view in opposition to
that of the BMA. Are you saying they should have ignored it altogether?
Censorship of the news? Is that what you want?

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Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. E-mail: change boy to man
Teach evolution, not creationism: http://evolutionnotcreationism.org.uk/

On 17/11/2011 09:04, Graham P Davis wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 22:16:51 -0800 (PST)
wrote:

The BBC yesterday morning made big deal with their usual big
brother tripe about a BMA report on smoking in cars and how harmful
it is

And they showed both sides of the argument. Vox-pops had views across
the board and the Forest spokesman gave his view in opposition to
that of the BMA. Are you saying they should have ignored it altogether?
Censorship of the news? Is that what you want?

You have your attributions wrong. It was a Lawrence demented OT rant.

The main problem I have with people smoking in cars is that whilst they
are rooting around in the glove compartment for their next fix they
drive into the back of stationary traffic or drift out of lane. I don't
really care if they gas themselves with tobacco smoke in their own car.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

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Dave Cornwell writes:
Stan Laurel wrote:
that just killed it for it me
too much to ask for wasnt it
the super biased bbc again, i wont watch #7
On 16/11/2011 10:09 PM, Jim Kewley wrote:


It's an excellent series, thank goodness for the BBC.

According to this article in the Guardian, it seems that not everybody
will get to see the final programme which mentions climate change.

http://tiny.cc/2onx4
Don't blame the Beeb. They get pushed and pulled in all directions
these days. They cannot be accused of being left or right, more
likely both and neither, depending on the issue and your own
standpoint.
Dave

I don't see how anyone could make a series about the polar regions
/without/ mentioning climate change. By putting it in a separate episode
of its own rather than spreading it throughout the series, at least it's
been made easy for those who don't want to see it to miss it.

I understand that David Attenborough particularly wanted to cover the
topic. Apparently he was for a long time a sceptic about AGW, but is now
convinced. (So his position is much the same as my own, though I'm
rather less distinguished.

I do wonder if they way that episodes 2-5 have been formatted, with each
one covering a separate season, has left many viewers under the
impression that the seasons happen in the Arctic and the Antarctic at
the same time rather than offset by six months. Perhaps that should have
been mentioned explicitly at some point, rather than just assume that
viewers would already know it. That's about the only thing that I've so
far found to criticise though.
--
John Hall
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism
by those who have not got it."
George Bernard Shaw

On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:17:08 +0000
Martin Brown wrote:

On 17/11/2011 09:04, Graham P Davis wrote:
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 22:16:51 -0800 (PST)
wrote:

The BBC yesterday morning made big deal with their usual big
brother tripe about a BMA report on smoking in cars and how
harmful it is

And they showed both sides of the argument. Vox-pops had views
across the board and the Forest spokesman gave his view in
opposition to that of the BMA. Are you saying they should have
ignored it altogether? Censorship of the news? Is that what you
want?

You have your attributions wrong. It was a Lawrence demented OT rant.

Sorry about that. No idea how I answered the wrong post. Should have
noticed I'd got the wrong one when I started snipping.


The main problem I have with people smoking in cars is that whilst
they are rooting around in the glove compartment for their next fix
they drive into the back of stationary traffic or drift out of lane.
I don't really care if they gas themselves with tobacco smoke in
their own car.


Agreed. There's no need for a new law to deal with the first problem -
"driving without due care and attention" should cover it. That also
catches the sweet-unwrappers, sandwich-munchers, CD-changers, etc.


--
Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. E-mail: change boy to man
Teach evolution, not creationism: http://evolutionnotcreationism.org.uk/

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@jhall.co.uk says...
I do wonder if they way that episodes 2-5 have been formatted, with each
one covering a separate season, has left many viewers under the
impression that the seasons happen in the Arctic and the Antarctic at
the same time rather than offset by six months.


He almost said as much!

"At both ends of our planet, the sun sets for the last time... "

I don't mind so much. The alternative is to dumb down the program to
Horizon levels which would make it almost unwatchable for me.


--
Alan LeHun

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Don't blame the Beeb. They get pushed and pulled in all directions these
days. They cannot be accused of being left or right, more likely both
and neither, depending on the issue and your own standpoint.
Dave- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Really? They are a disparate bunch of bitter hedonistic opportunist
minority groups and rabid lefty luvvies. You only have to endure East
Enders for ten minutes to sum them up. Having been through the left,
you can recognise the loathing self hatred on 90 k per year on
license fee money; at the drop of a hat.
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You've proved my point really that it is variable and depending on your
viewpoint. Having a balanced view you might have noted that I didn't say
it was typical of the BBC as a right wing establishment organisation to
cave in to the requests of the American extreme right, which, had the
boot been on the left foot so to speak, you might have done!
Dave
P.S. I hope you're not implying a left wing bias in East Enders - it's
about as far from a left wing liberal viewpoint as it is from life in
the East End of London I know. I couldn't endure East Enders for even
one minute, nor my wife who was born within the sound of Bow Bells. ;-)

Dave Cornwell scrive:
I couldn't endure East Enders for even
one minute, nor my wife who was born within the sound of Bow Bells. ;-)

You can't endure your wife for a minute? Poor wife!


--
Gianna
Peterhead, Scotland

buchan-meteo.org.uk

On Nov 17, 1:59*pm, Alan LeHun wrote:
In article , nospam_nov03
@jhall.co.uk says...

I do wonder if they way that episodes 2-5 have been formatted, with each
one covering a separate season, has left many viewers under the
impression that the seasons happen in the Arctic and the Antarctic at
the same time rather than offset by six months.

He almost said as much!

"At both ends of our planet, the sun sets for the last time... "

I don't mind so much. The alternative is to dumb down the program to
Horizon levels which would make it almost unwatchable for me.

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Alan LeHun
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What do you mean 'dumb down to Horizon levels'!?
It is very much targeted at the mass BBC 1 audience.
I am not saying it is already dumbed down, but it is just excellent
eye candy.
Entertainment for the most part.

The best bit for me is the last 10 minutes when you get to see, at
least in part, how they film it.

A problem would exist if the series was to have a programme putting it
all in the context of AGW.
Climate change over all time scales would have to be looked at and
statistical significance. This would be in complete contrast to the
eye candy,
and probably not an acceptable part of a globally marketable product
for the BBC.

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What do you mean 'dumb down to Horizon levels'!?
It is very much targeted at the mass BBC 1 audience.

Well it would be less factual and more dramatised. The Polar bear cubs
would be fluffy and be given names and the mother would have been
'distraught' when that first cub died.

That might not be how Horizon would do it but it is at the same level.
(Horizon would have added fire and brimestone to the explosive iceberg
calving in the first episode)

I am not saying it is already dumbed down, but it is just excellent
eye candy.

As I've said elsewhere in a previous Frozen Planet thread, it is the
superb camera work that now sets Attenborourgh's work above all others.
It is dumbed down, it has to be, but fortunately not so much as to
reduce the enjoyment of it.

Entertainment for the most part.

The best bit for me is the last 10 minutes when you get to see, at
least in part, how they film it.

The last episode showed some wonderful underwater shots of the Emperors
that didn't make it in to the actual episode. Great stuff!



A problem would exist if the series was to have a programme putting it
all in the context of AGW.
Climate change over all time scales would have to be looked at and
statistical significance. This would be in complete contrast to the
eye candy,
and probably not an acceptable part of a globally marketable product
for the BBC.


We will have to wait and see exactly what is in program 7 when it airs.



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Alan LeHun