Well we can all read about the terrible havoc and destruction from over 90
mph winds in Scotland tonight on the news. I fear that power lines could
come down in the two hours of blizzards this evening. Fortunately some
respite over the weekend. But the situation remains volatile and
"aggresive". A powerful jet is now becoming established along or just south
of 50N as the very cold air leakage from Greenland and associated seas
reaches its southernmost extent and starts to warm slightly. This means that
the whole of the UK and this time, the south, becomes progressively more in
the firing line for rapid deepening lows in cold air. Continued potential
for storms, and later in the week towards next weekend, a definite risk of a
major storm in southern Britain and widespread snow on its northern edge. In
such a volatile situation timings and tracking are impossible so far ahead
but I would urge all to keep a close eye on forecasts especially if they
have to travel wherever you are in the UK, the south will not be immune next
time.

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Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
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"Eskimo Will" wrote in message ...

Well we can all read about the terrible havoc and destruction from over 90
mph winds in Scotland tonight on the news. I fear that power lines could
come down in the two hours of blizzards this evening. Fortunately some
respite over the weekend. But the situation remains volatile and
"aggresive". A powerful jet is now becoming established along or just south
of 50N as the very cold air leakage from Greenland and associated seas
reaches its southernmost extent and starts to warm slightly. This means that
the whole of the UK and this time, the south, becomes progressively more in
the firing line for rapid deepening lows in cold air. Continued potential
for storms, and later in the week towards next weekend, a definite risk of a
major storm in southern Britain and widespread snow on its northern edge. In
such a volatile situation timings and tracking are impossible so far ahead
but I would urge all to keep a close eye on forecasts especially if they
have to travel wherever you are in the UK, the south will not be immune next
time.

http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm
Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
---------------------------------------------

Thanks Will - I have to travel from Somerset to Lancashire and back next
Tue/Wed so will keep a close eye on things...

On 08/12/11 17:42, Eskimo Will wrote:
Well we can all read about the terrible havoc and destruction from over
90 mph winds in Scotland tonight on the news. I fear that power lines
could come down in the two hours of blizzards this evening. Fortunately
some respite over the weekend. But the situation remains volatile and
"aggresive". A powerful jet is now becoming established along or just
south of 50N as the very cold air leakage from Greenland and associated
seas reaches its southernmost extent and starts to warm slightly. This
means that the whole of the UK and this time, the south, becomes
progressively more in the firing line for rapid deepening lows in cold
air. Continued potential for storms, and later in the week towards next
weekend, a definite risk of a major storm in southern Britain and
widespread snow on its northern edge. In such a volatile situation
timings and tracking are impossible so far ahead but I would urge all to
keep a close eye on forecasts especially if they have to travel wherever
you are in the UK, the south will not be immune next time.

http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm
Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
---------------------------------------------

Does that mean I might have an opportunity to have a go at storm chasing
then? :-)

It is certainly an interesting period of weather we are having at the
moment.

On Dec 8, 5:42*pm, "Eskimo Will" wrote:
Continued potential
for storms, and later in the week towards next weekend, a definite risk of a
major storm in southern Britain and widespread snow on its northern edge. In
such a volatile situation timings and tracking are impossible so far ahead
but I would urge all to keep a close eye on forecasts especially if they
have to travel wherever you are in the UK, the south will not be immune next
time.

Quite - the storm EC and GFS have waiting in the wings around T+144
and T+168 has "hideous" potential.

Richard

On Dec 8, 9:48*pm, Richard Dixon wrote:
On Dec 8, 5:42*pm, "Eskimo Will" wrote:

Continued potential
for storms, and later in the week towards next weekend, a definite risk of a
major storm in southern Britain and widespread snow on its northern edge. In
such a volatile situation timings and tracking are impossible so far ahead
but I would urge all to keep a close eye on forecasts especially if they
have to travel wherever you are in the UK, the south will not be immune next
time.

Quite - the storm EC and GFS have waiting in the wings around T+144
and T+168 has "hideous" potential.

Richard

Does the current synoptic situation have everything to do with the
strat warm that Will has discussed elsewhere? It seems strange that
with a similar setup to last year, in terms that another negative La
Nina is developing, the weather in the UK is so different to 2010 in
terms of storm potential

On 08/12/11 22:13, Scott W wrote:
On Dec 8, 9:48 pm, Richard wrote:
On Dec 8, 5:42 pm, "Eskimo wrote:

Continued potential
for storms, and later in the week towards next weekend, a definite risk of a
major storm in southern Britain and widespread snow on its northern edge. In
such a volatile situation timings and tracking are impossible so far ahead
but I would urge all to keep a close eye on forecasts especially if they
have to travel wherever you are in the UK, the south will not be immune next
time.

Quite - the storm EC and GFS have waiting in the wings around T+144
and T+168 has "hideous" potential.

Richard

Does the current synoptic situation have everything to do with the
strat warm that Will has discussed elsewhere? It seems strange that
with a similar setup to last year, in terms that another negative La
Nina is developing, the weather in the UK is so different to 2010 in
terms of storm potential

The difference is the N Atlantic SST pattern. The past couple of years,
at the end of November, the area south of the Grand Banks was cooler
than surrounding areas. This year it is warmer. A cold pool in that area
leads to more blocking with higher pressure than usual in the Iceland
area and lower near the Azores. A warm pool tends to have lower pressure
in the Norwegian Sea with a high anomaly in mid-Atlantic. Details vary
depending on location and shape of the anomaly.

This year, the warm pool is west of the standard position so I'd expect
the low-pressure anomaly to also be further west, giving us more of a
W'ly instead of a NW'ly.

--
Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. E-mail: change boy to man
Teach evolution, not creationism: http://evolutionnotcreationism.org.uk/

"Richard Dixon" wrote in message
...
On Dec 8, 5:42 pm, "Eskimo Will" wrote:
Continued potential
for storms, and later in the week towards next weekend, a definite risk of
a
major storm in southern Britain and widespread snow on its northern edge.
In
such a volatile situation timings and tracking are impossible so far ahead
but I would urge all to keep a close eye on forecasts especially if they
have to travel wherever you are in the UK, the south will not be immune
next
time.

Quite - the storm EC and GFS have waiting in the wings around T+144
and T+168 has "hideous" potential.

Richard
=======================

Yep I'll be watching that like a hawk. I've deliberately let trees/shrubs
grow around my house to such an extent that it is now well protected from
the west, but wind is the only weather I really worry about. Before we came
the previous owners had to do repairs to the slate roof because of wind
damage. The slates are fixed to one inch thick wooden planks nailed to the
rafters making the whole roof structure stable (they knew how to build
houses in the Edwardian age)!

Will
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Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
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On Dec 9, 12:40*pm, "Eskimo Will" wrote:
"Richard Dixon" wrote in message

...
On Dec 8, 5:42 pm, "Eskimo Will" wrote:

Continued potential
for storms, and later in the week towards next weekend, a definite risk of
a
major storm in southern Britain and widespread snow on its northern edge.
In
such a volatile situation timings and tracking are impossible so far ahead
but I would urge all to keep a close eye on forecasts especially if they
have to travel wherever you are in the UK, the south will not be immune
next
time.

Quite - the storm EC and GFS have waiting in the wings around T+144
and T+168 has "hideous" potential.

Richard
=======================

Yep I'll be watching that like a hawk. I've deliberately let trees/shrubs
grow around my house to such an extent that it is now well protected from
the west, but wind is the only weather I really worry about. Before we came
the previous owners had to do repairs to the slate roof because of wind
damage. The slates are fixed to one inch thick wooden planks nailed to the
rafters making the whole roof structure stable (they knew how to build
houses in the Edwardian age)!

Will
--

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Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
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Slate are held on by copper nails two to be precise but wind once
under them will rip them off..

On Fri, 9 Dec 2011 10:21:56 -0800 (PST), Lawrence13 wrote:

The slates are fixed to one inch thick wooden planks nailed to the
rafters making the whole roof structure stable (they knew how to
build
houses in the Edwardian age)!

A scottish method not often seen in england.

Slate are held on by copper nails two to be precise but wind once
under them will rip them off..

If the overlap is correct the row above holds the row below down.
We've not lost a slate yet to the winds up here. Most of them a very
firmly held down by the rows, though I did hear one rattling the
other night when I was in the loft. Finding it and then doing
something about it isn't easy and I suspect it's rattling because of
these slates are a bit uneven in thickness.

--
Cheers Dave.
Nr Garrigill, Cumbria. 421m ASL.

On Dec 9, 11:33*pm, "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:
On Fri, 9 Dec 2011 10:21:56 -0800 (PST), Lawrence13 wrote:
The slates are fixed to one inch thick wooden planks nailed to the
rafters making the whole roof structure stable (they knew how to
build
houses in the Edwardian age)!

A scottish method not often seen in england.

Slate are held on by copper nails two to be precise but wind once
under them will rip them off..

If the overlap is correct the row above holds the row below down.
We've not lost a slate yet to the winds up here. Most of them a very
firmly held down by the rows, though I did hear one rattling the
other night when I was in the loft. Finding it and then doing
something about it isn't easy and I suspect it's rattling because of
these slates are a bit uneven in thickness.

--
Cheers Dave.
Nr Garrigill, Cumbria. 421m ASL.

some of my best friends are Slaters