On Jan 15, 3:00*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:
On Jan 15, 1:56*pm, "Tony Kenyon"
wrote:

Tony: I have railed against the MetO codswallop for years.
My belief is that the Labour Party knobbled them and turned them
into Pravda.

What Labour party?

It was a Conservative government in Nixonesque caricature that
attmpted to milk a government department that is a seriously inwards
flowing resource hog in most civilised countries.

It is virtually the exuivalent of a water utility or an health
service, specifically impossible to make economically viable and do
its job to the best of its ability.

When you put strict limits on its manpower you have a substyantially
poorer reserve of people to choose from in all the departments it
could be running if it were fully supported by government.

As for the Labour party that fell apart after the Wilson Government
and the CIA got at it.

Tory Blair just killed it.
If he's have given useful utilities a fraction of a fraction of what
he gave the gangsters who ruined the planet under him, we'd be the
envy of the world.

Or not as is more likely.

Yet the MetO goes on how proud it is and boast how its forecasts are
helping certain folk to breathe a bit easier.

Got a link?

It isn't cold weather that kills people it is the way they vegetate
trying to get warm. Winters make norther hemisphere natives stronger
by their nature.

If they can get out in the day to clean their lungs and keep off
modern diets they would be better off than huddling in front of fires
all day clotting their lungs and making their houses dank.

Anyhow who listens to me, but I'm glad someone else gets irritated by
the OTT of UKMO.

It wasn't a slip up then?

I for one couldn't manage without their North Atlantic Charts, which
is a sure sign they are facing the axe.

But you do tend to hunt with the rabbits and race with the fungi.

The Met Office has been seriously drained of resources for a couple
decades or more. The fact it has to go begging for another computer
every now and again despite being the bastion of Europe's defences
against a harsh Atlantic isn't even considered.

How many good meteorologists have been let go or never replaced since
Margaret Thatcher stole their milk tokens?

Or do you think unmanned stations are a boon?

Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Jan 15, 4:11 pm, "Col" wrote:
"Eskimo Will" wrote in message

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He he I'm the same David! Bedrpoom window is never shut and all
radiators in the bedroom are permanently off, couldn't sleep
otherwise. Occasionally close the window if it is windy to stop the
doors rattling away or snow blowing in.

Oh dear, another meeting of the 'who can keep their house the
coldest during winter' brigade......
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

Quite. I actually sleep out in the garden in winter. Houses are
just so *soppy*.

Hold on to your prepositions, but a warm bedroom makes a bed a
much easier thing to get out of into.

There is more than just a little but of 'The Four Yorkshiremen' about
all this, people vying with one another to see who is the toughest.

I sleeep with my window open all winter and the snow builds up on
my windowsill!

Window? You're lucky, I just have a hole in the wall and I use a
snowdrift as a pillow!

Seriously though, you never get anybody coming on here in early
September saying they had to knock the heating on for a couple of
hours because it was a bit parky when they got up, no it's all a
macho competition as to who can survive the longest without central
heating.....
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

"Col" wrote in message ...

Seriously though, you never get anybody coming on here in early
September saying they had to knock the heating on for a couple of
hours because it was a bit parky when they got up, no it's all a
macho competition as to who can survive the longest without central
heating.....
--
Hi, Col,
I have a stove in the living room burning smokeless coal. It rarely goes out
when we're at home and burns 24 hours a day and needs refuelling with just
one shovel three times in each 24 hours. In high summer I might let it go
out but often have it on in the evenings even then. It feeds the hot water
tank and 3 upstairs radiators. We also have full oil central heating / hot
water as a dual system which is on 24/7 all year. The room 'stat on the
heating is set at 18C as a base (never below) and we put it up to 20C in the
evenings when we're in. If the stove isn't coping (not often, even in
Copley) then the room stat kicks in for the oil heating - that's all
automatic.
I have a lovely warm house, lots of lovely hot water and one very happy wife
(and cat). Our three children and three grandchildren all seem to like it as
well and I expect the next one due in summer will feel the same!
I love to be comfortable for an average of about £3.50 per day (smokeless
coal, oil and electric).
Best wishes,
Ken
Copley, Teesdale.

"Col" wrote in message
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Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Jan 15, 4:11 pm, "Col" wrote:
"Eskimo Will" wrote in message

...




He he I'm the same David! Bedrpoom window is never shut and all
radiators in the bedroom are permanently off, couldn't sleep
otherwise. Occasionally close the window if it is windy to stop the
doors rattling away or snow blowing in.

Oh dear, another meeting of the 'who can keep their house the
coldest during winter' brigade......
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

Quite. I actually sleep out in the garden in winter. Houses are
just so *soppy*.

Hold on to your prepositions, but a warm bedroom makes a bed a
much easier thing to get out of into.

There is more than just a little but of 'The Four Yorkshiremen' about
all this, people vying with one another to see who is the toughest.

I sleeep with my window open all winter and the snow builds up on
my windowsill!

Window? You're lucky, I just have a hole in the wall and I use a
snowdrift as a pillow!

Seriously though, you never get anybody coming on here in early
September saying they had to knock the heating on for a couple of
hours because it was a bit parky when they got up, no it's all a
macho competition as to who can survive the longest without central
heating.....

Col, it's not about a competition it's about comfort. I and my wife are
perfectly comfortable with a bedroom below 10C at night and the fresh air we
need too. I guess we talk about cooling rather than warming because we live
in a warm centrally heated country by and large, where you get blasted with
hot air in the chain stores in winter, the workplace is kept at 21-23C
minimum to meet somebody else's idea of comfort, hotels are dreadfully hot
normally. If one is too cold you can always put on another layer, what if
you are too warm - go naked?

Snowdrift? Luxury. When I was a lad we had frozen slush .... LOL

Will
--

tim wrote:
I'm sure I can remember chipping the ice off the inside of the bedroom
window when I was a kid.

You don't get nice Jack Frost patterns on the windows if it's +18oC
inside.
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I did and I'm glad I don't have to now!

"Tony Kenyon" wrote in
:

I guess what really annoys me is that we are paying for all this
ludicrous crap at a time when living standards are dropping back to
the levels last seen when we had, occasionally, genuinely severe
winters.

This is where the warnings service goes unfortunately into Nanny State
mode. I file it alongside the "Surfaces may be slippery" on stations
(especially those on the southeastern network) after frost/rain.

Richard

I found Col's four Yorkshiremen scenario really funny, BUT, there is an
element of truth in some of these points.
In my youth (I am in my 50's), in the days before central heating and
double-glazing, there was only one source of heat in the house and that was
the coal fireplace in the living room. The rest of the house was freezing...
literally. Yes, there really was ice on the inside of bedroom windows and if
you ran a hot bath in the bathroom, it would fill with clouds of steam and
condensation would be running down the walls. Bedrooms were cold and before
duvets came along, you relied on sheets, blankets and a hot-water bottle. I
can still remember overcoats being laid on top of the bed to add an extra
layer. The problem was that sheets and blankets didn't have the same warming
properties that modern light-weight hi-tog duvets have. Put it this way...
once you had finally managed to warm the bed up, you'd have to be extremely
desperate to answer the call of nature on a winter's night.
Modern houses are by and large, much better insulated than of old, and even
with the bedroom window open, it's nothing like what it used to be like in
the good old days.
The old music-hall joke about the steam from the 'po' under the bed rusting
the bed springs is probably founded on a certain amount of truth!
The Met Office weather warnings, such as they, serve to remind us of just
how soft we have become. We didn't have people telling us to wrap up warm in
years gone by, no one to advise on filling a hot-water bottle, or how it
might be a good idea to put an extra overcoat on the bed. You have to wonder
just how we all coped!

Regards... David Allan.

"Dave Cornwell" schreef

: tim wrote:
: I'm sure I can remember chipping the ice off the inside of the bedroom
: window when I was a kid.
: You don't get nice Jack Frost patterns on the windows if it's +18oC
: inside.
---------------------------
: I did and I'm glad I don't have to now!

I second that !

Colin Youngs
Brussels

In message
"Ken Cook" wrote:

"Col" wrote in message ...

Seriously though, you never get anybody coming on here in early
September saying they had to knock the heating on for a couple of
hours because it was a bit parky when they got up, no it's all a
macho competition as to who can survive the longest without central
heating.....
It is a nice comfortable 16C in my computer room right now. Below
13C, or above 20C is uncomfortable. 0.6C outside.

But we turn off the heating at night. And we are motorcaravanners,
and never use heating at night. We used to be winter tent campers
after all!

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In article ,
Dave Cornwell writes:
tim wrote:
I'm sure I can remember chipping the ice off the inside of the bedroom
window when I was a kid.
You don't get nice Jack Frost patterns on the windows if it's
+18oC
inside.
---------------------------
I did and I'm glad I don't have to now!

I miss the beautiful frost flowers on the inside of the window, but I'm
not prepared to have a frigid bedroom so that I can experience them
again.
--
John Hall
"The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism
by those who have not got it."
George Bernard Shaw