On Feb 27, 12:31*pm, Dawlish wrote:
On Feb 27, 10:59*am, Lawrence13 wrote:





On Feb 26, 9:37*pm, Dawlish wrote:

On Feb 26, 9:26*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:

On Feb 26, 7:24*pm, Dawlish wrote:

On Feb 26, 5:07*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:

On Feb 26, 4:29*pm, "Eskimo Will" wrote:

"Lawrence13" wrote in message

...

Look I really need to get out into the garden but some of you green
puritans are getting up my nose.

Cards on the table, do the talk now do the walk, your actions cashing
the cheques that you mouths are writing.

Of course I do realise that you can say anything you like but honesty
is always the best policy.

Right what am I going on about, Well I belive the majority of this NG
users are fairly affluent middle class people and nothing wrong with
that but I wonder how many of those people who want to hand peoiple
who won't jump on the AGW bandwagon actually practise what they
preach.

For example what cars do you drive and is there more than one car per
family, say, does your partner have their own.

Anyone using solar panels windmills?

Lets leave it at that.

But it's the outspoken warmers I'm after.

Well to put my cards on the table.
I own three vehicles, a renault megane (new), a fiesta (old) and a VW
campervan (very old).
I consider myself to be very wealthy in that I am in very good health, live
in a lovely house in a nice part of the country with a lovely wife and
family. I am also extremely happy. I do not use alternative energy but I do
burn log fires and am very frugal with heating (most of the time we don't
consider it necessary). We have few "gadgets" in the house and love the
simple pleasures of gardening, walking and playing sport and I like the odd
pint or three! I'm also into mysticism and I meditate whenever I can. Life's
good and I appreciate and am thankful for all that I receive. I accept the
facts of global warming but am sceptical over predictions for the future but
do see the need for all of us to take responsibility for our use of
resources on this (still beautiful) home we call Earth.

Will
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Will

Honest as always. *Thanks, however the silence of the warms is almost
deafening.

That "silence" has told you to put your money where your mouth is.. You
are scared though Larry, aren't you? Your hypocrisy has kicked in..

You have said that we are apparently experiencing global cooling, so
how on earth could the world experience a *record* global temperature
within the next 5 years? It should be easy money for you. Name your
price Larry. Wouldn't it be great to take £10,000 off this 2-car, low-
mileage, litter-picking, walk-to-shop, composter, vegetable growing,
low carbon person who enjoys his life. A person who will happily
shoulder his share the tax burdon that will fall on us all - including
you - due to carbon reduction, which will improve the world.

Here's your chance to be a man Larry. Any amount from £1,000 -
£10,000. I've answered your question; now bet me.

............and tell us about your own low carbon lifestyle while you
are at it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ah finally got it out of you, two you cars you say and no clean energy
sources . You obviously take your granchildrens futures very
seriously.

By the way you can forget the bet as I really don't know which way the
earths climate is going.

A hypocrite is all you are. I have no problem with my lifestyle, but
you hate yours and everything in it.

I'm another one that is fed up of your denier's whining. I can set the
bet up with my solicitor tomorrow. All you have to do is not be a
hypocrite and accept. take a step backwards now and you'll be labelled
a hypocrite.

Your thread title is "Money Where Mouth is Time". So put your money
where your mealy mouth is, or stop whining about something you don't
actually believe will happen.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

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Couple of things Paul

I started this thread only to highlight the fact that that handful of
people who can't wait to jump on me when I occasionally point out any
evidence that's contrary to rapid warming script that we seem to hear
about every day, couldn't think it was that *much of a problem if in
their own personal lives they still happily enjoyed the fruits of
fossil fuels. *That was purely the purpose with no money involved bar
the bankruptcy of some moral ground high standers being exposed.

My point has always been no one know how the global temperatures with
finally pan out as nothing is totally certain. Now you want to throw
in this stupid bet that has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact
that you bleat on about AGW that not only do you not have clean energy
solar panels on your South Devon roof you also own and run two cars
but do your bit by picking up the odd discarded toffee paper when
going for your green stroll to the corner shop,

I think I've proved my point exactly where you are concerned and
without a wasted penny changing hands.

It's "money where mouth is time". Or stop your silly attempts at non-
scientific idiocy, by saying that the world is cooling because you've
cherry picked some graphs. You opened this thread for a very specific
reason and you've failed miserably. Copy and paste all that I said an
take each point in term.

You live on your own, don't you?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


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Actually I recently checked out your address on Google Maps and can
see clearly two cars and no solar panels whatsoever-so at least you
were being truthful. But unfortunately your honesty doesn't outweigh
your hypocrisy

On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 04:35:09 -0800, Dawlish wrote:

Of all the anti-social media possibilities, on all of the computers, in
all of the world; why do you two clowns have to argue on here?

On Feb 27, 1:22*pm, Joe P wrote:
On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 04:35:09 -0800, Dawlish wrote:

Of all the anti-social media possibilities, on all of the computers, in
all of the world; why do you two clowns have to argue on here?

If you feel that way either don't read or make the most of those other
possibilities. It's simple Joe

On Feb 27, 12:45*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:
On Feb 27, 12:35*pm, Dawlish wrote:





On Feb 27, 10:59*am, Lawrence13 wrote:

On Feb 26, 9:37*pm, Dawlish wrote:

On Feb 26, 9:26*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:

On Feb 26, 7:24*pm, Dawlish wrote:

On Feb 26, 5:07*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:

On Feb 26, 4:29*pm, "Eskimo Will" wrote:

"Lawrence13" wrote in message

...

Look I really need to get out into the garden but some of you green
puritans are getting up my nose.

Cards on the table, do the talk now do the walk, your actions cashing
the cheques that you mouths are writing.

Of course I do realise that you can say anything you like but honesty
is always the best policy.

Right what am I going on about, Well I belive the majority of this NG
users are fairly affluent middle class people and nothing wrong with
that but I wonder how many of those people who want to hand peoiple
who won't jump on the AGW bandwagon actually practise what they
preach.

For example what cars do you drive and is there more than one car per
family, say, does your partner have their own.

Anyone using solar panels windmills?

Lets leave it at that.

But it's the outspoken warmers I'm after.

Well to put my cards on the table.
I own three vehicles, a renault megane (new), a fiesta (old) and a VW
campervan (very old).
I consider myself to be very wealthy in that I am in very good health, live
in a lovely house in a nice part of the country with a lovely wife and
family. I am also extremely happy. I do not use alternative energy but I do
burn log fires and am very frugal with heating (most of the time we don't
consider it necessary). We have few "gadgets" in the house and love the
simple pleasures of gardening, walking and playing sport and I like the odd
pint or three! I'm also into mysticism and I meditate whenever I can. Life's
good and I appreciate and am thankful for all that I receive. I accept the
facts of global warming but am sceptical over predictions for the future but
do see the need for all of us to take responsibility for our use of
resources on this (still beautiful) home we call Earth.

Will
--- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Will

Honest as always. *Thanks, however the silence of the warms is almost
deafening.

That "silence" has told you to put your money where your mouth is. You
are scared though Larry, aren't you? Your hypocrisy has kicked in.

You have said that we are apparently experiencing global cooling, so
how on earth could the world experience a *record* global temperature
within the next 5 years? It should be easy money for you. Name your
price Larry. Wouldn't it be great to take £10,000 off this 2-car, low-
mileage, litter-picking, walk-to-shop, composter, vegetable growing,
low carbon person who enjoys his life. A person who will happily
shoulder his share the tax burdon that will fall on us all - including
you - due to carbon reduction, which will improve the world.

Here's your chance to be a man Larry. Any amount from £1,000 -
£10,000. I've answered your question; now bet me.

............and tell us about your own low carbon lifestyle while you
are at it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ah finally got it out of you, two you cars you say and no clean energy
sources . You obviously take your granchildrens futures very
seriously.

By the way you can forget the bet as I really don't know which way the
earths climate is going.

A hypocrite is all you are. I have no problem with my lifestyle, but
you hate yours and everything in it.

I'm another one that is fed up of your denier's whining. I can set the
bet up with my solicitor tomorrow. All you have to do is not be a
hypocrite and accept. take a step backwards now and you'll be labelled
a hypocrite.

Your thread title is "Money Where Mouth is Time". So put your money
where your mealy mouth is, or stop whining about something you don't
actually believe will happen.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

---------------------------------------------------------------------------***-------------------------------------------------------------------------*-*-*-----------------------------------------------------------------------*--*--*-------------

Couple of things Paul

I started this thread only to highlight the fact that that handful of
people who can't wait to jump on me when I occasionally point out any
evidence that's contrary to rapid warming script that we seem to hear
about every day, couldn't think it was that *much of a problem if in
their own personal lives they still happily enjoyed the fruits of
fossil fuels. *That was purely the purpose with no money involved bar
the bankruptcy of some moral ground high standers being exposed.

My point has always been no one know how the global temperatures with
finally pan out as nothing is totally certain. Now you want to throw
in this stupid bet that has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact
that you bleat on about AGW that not only do you not have clean energy
solar panels on your South Devon roof you also own and run two cars
but do your bit by picking up the odd discarded toffee paper when
going for your green stroll to the corner shop,

I think I've proved my point exactly where you are concerned and
without a wasted penny changing hands.

Why is it that *every single scientific institution, every single
national science academy and every single stable government *on the
planet*, together with nearly every climate scientist and physicist
feel that they do know what will happen to global temperatures in the
future and why do a few deniers like you keep telling us, on regular
occasions that they don't know and that they are all wrong and the
world is cooling because you've seen something colder?- Hide quoted text -

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Let's get this straight: You are that convinced of the perils of AGW
that you are prepared to bet up to £10,000 *that the global
temperatures will continue to increase *but still run two cars?

Sounds like having your cake and heating it to me.

So by your own admission that you believe totally that AGW is real and
is a threat but will idly drive by doing nothing bar gambling and
trying to profit from the disastrous situation you say unequivocally,
is happening.

You Sir are the worse kind, someone who wants to profit from an
apparent disastrous situation -like a war racketeer. You are to be
despised and reviled.



I'm not even fully convinced that it is CO2 that is driving the
current warming, but I'm very happy to invest good money insmoking out
a hypocrite.

The bet is real. Take it up.

On Feb 27, 1:22*pm, Joe P wrote:
On Mon, 27 Feb 2012 04:35:09 -0800, Dawlish wrote:

Of all the anti-social media possibilities, on all of the computers, in
all of the world; why do you two clowns have to argue on here?

To deliberately upset you Joe. Now ignore it, if you have nothing to
say.

On Feb 27, 12:49*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:
On Feb 27, 12:31*pm, Dawlish wrote:





On Feb 27, 10:59*am, Lawrence13 wrote:

On Feb 26, 9:37*pm, Dawlish wrote:

On Feb 26, 9:26*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:

On Feb 26, 7:24*pm, Dawlish wrote:

On Feb 26, 5:07*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:

On Feb 26, 4:29*pm, "Eskimo Will" wrote:

"Lawrence13" wrote in message

...

Look I really need to get out into the garden but some of you green
puritans are getting up my nose.

Cards on the table, do the talk now do the walk, your actions cashing
the cheques that you mouths are writing.

Of course I do realise that you can say anything you like but honesty
is always the best policy.

Right what am I going on about, Well I belive the majority of this NG
users are fairly affluent middle class people and nothing wrong with
that but I wonder how many of those people who want to hand peoiple
who won't jump on the AGW bandwagon actually practise what they
preach.

For example what cars do you drive and is there more than one car per
family, say, does your partner have their own.

Anyone using solar panels windmills?

Lets leave it at that.

But it's the outspoken warmers I'm after.

Well to put my cards on the table.
I own three vehicles, a renault megane (new), a fiesta (old) and a VW
campervan (very old).
I consider myself to be very wealthy in that I am in very good health, live
in a lovely house in a nice part of the country with a lovely wife and
family. I am also extremely happy. I do not use alternative energy but I do
burn log fires and am very frugal with heating (most of the time we don't
consider it necessary). We have few "gadgets" in the house and love the
simple pleasures of gardening, walking and playing sport and I like the odd
pint or three! I'm also into mysticism and I meditate whenever I can. Life's
good and I appreciate and am thankful for all that I receive. I accept the
facts of global warming but am sceptical over predictions for the future but
do see the need for all of us to take responsibility for our use of
resources on this (still beautiful) home we call Earth.

Will
--- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Will

Honest as always. *Thanks, however the silence of the warms is almost
deafening.

That "silence" has told you to put your money where your mouth is. You
are scared though Larry, aren't you? Your hypocrisy has kicked in.

You have said that we are apparently experiencing global cooling, so
how on earth could the world experience a *record* global temperature
within the next 5 years? It should be easy money for you. Name your
price Larry. Wouldn't it be great to take £10,000 off this 2-car, low-
mileage, litter-picking, walk-to-shop, composter, vegetable growing,
low carbon person who enjoys his life. A person who will happily
shoulder his share the tax burdon that will fall on us all - including
you - due to carbon reduction, which will improve the world.

Here's your chance to be a man Larry. Any amount from £1,000 -
£10,000. I've answered your question; now bet me.

............and tell us about your own low carbon lifestyle while you
are at it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ah finally got it out of you, two you cars you say and no clean energy
sources . You obviously take your granchildrens futures very
seriously.

By the way you can forget the bet as I really don't know which way the
earths climate is going.

A hypocrite is all you are. I have no problem with my lifestyle, but
you hate yours and everything in it.

I'm another one that is fed up of your denier's whining. I can set the
bet up with my solicitor tomorrow. All you have to do is not be a
hypocrite and accept. take a step backwards now and you'll be labelled
a hypocrite.

Your thread title is "Money Where Mouth is Time". So put your money
where your mealy mouth is, or stop whining about something you don't
actually believe will happen.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

---------------------------------------------------------------------------***-------------------------------------------------------------------------*-*-*-----------------------------------------------------------------------*--*--*-------------

Couple of things Paul

I started this thread only to highlight the fact that that handful of
people who can't wait to jump on me when I occasionally point out any
evidence that's contrary to rapid warming script that we seem to hear
about every day, couldn't think it was that *much of a problem if in
their own personal lives they still happily enjoyed the fruits of
fossil fuels. *That was purely the purpose with no money involved bar
the bankruptcy of some moral ground high standers being exposed.

My point has always been no one know how the global temperatures with
finally pan out as nothing is totally certain. Now you want to throw
in this stupid bet that has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact
that you bleat on about AGW that not only do you not have clean energy
solar panels on your South Devon roof you also own and run two cars
but do your bit by picking up the odd discarded toffee paper when
going for your green stroll to the corner shop,

I think I've proved my point exactly where you are concerned and
without a wasted penny changing hands.

It's "money where mouth is time". Or stop your silly attempts at non-
scientific idiocy, by saying that the world is cooling because you've
cherry picked some graphs. You opened this thread for a very specific
reason and you've failed miserably. Copy and paste all that I said an
take each point in term.

You live on your own, don't you?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

---------------------------------------------------------------------------*---------------------------------------------------------------------------*-----------------------------------------

Actually I recently checked out your address on Google Maps and can
see clearly two cars and no solar panels whatsoever-so at least you
were being truthful. But unfortunately your honesty doesn't outweigh
your hypocrisy

On Feb 27, 12:49*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:
On Feb 27, 12:31*pm, Dawlish wrote:





On Feb 27, 10:59*am, Lawrence13 wrote:

On Feb 26, 9:37*pm, Dawlish wrote:

On Feb 26, 9:26*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:

On Feb 26, 7:24*pm, Dawlish wrote:

On Feb 26, 5:07*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:

On Feb 26, 4:29*pm, "Eskimo Will" wrote:

"Lawrence13" wrote in message

...

Look I really need to get out into the garden but some of you green
puritans are getting up my nose.

Cards on the table, do the talk now do the walk, your actions cashing
the cheques that you mouths are writing.

Of course I do realise that you can say anything you like but honesty
is always the best policy.

Right what am I going on about, Well I belive the majority of this NG
users are fairly affluent middle class people and nothing wrong with
that but I wonder how many of those people who want to hand peoiple
who won't jump on the AGW bandwagon actually practise what they
preach.

For example what cars do you drive and is there more than one car per
family, say, does your partner have their own.

Anyone using solar panels windmills?

Lets leave it at that.

But it's the outspoken warmers I'm after.

Well to put my cards on the table.
I own three vehicles, a renault megane (new), a fiesta (old) and a VW
campervan (very old).
I consider myself to be very wealthy in that I am in very good health, live
in a lovely house in a nice part of the country with a lovely wife and
family. I am also extremely happy. I do not use alternative energy but I do
burn log fires and am very frugal with heating (most of the time we don't
consider it necessary). We have few "gadgets" in the house and love the
simple pleasures of gardening, walking and playing sport and I like the odd
pint or three! I'm also into mysticism and I meditate whenever I can. Life's
good and I appreciate and am thankful for all that I receive. I accept the
facts of global warming but am sceptical over predictions for the future but
do see the need for all of us to take responsibility for our use of
resources on this (still beautiful) home we call Earth.

Will
--- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Will

Honest as always. *Thanks, however the silence of the warms is almost
deafening.

That "silence" has told you to put your money where your mouth is. You
are scared though Larry, aren't you? Your hypocrisy has kicked in.

You have said that we are apparently experiencing global cooling, so
how on earth could the world experience a *record* global temperature
within the next 5 years? It should be easy money for you. Name your
price Larry. Wouldn't it be great to take £10,000 off this 2-car, low-
mileage, litter-picking, walk-to-shop, composter, vegetable growing,
low carbon person who enjoys his life. A person who will happily
shoulder his share the tax burdon that will fall on us all - including
you - due to carbon reduction, which will improve the world.

Here's your chance to be a man Larry. Any amount from £1,000 -
£10,000. I've answered your question; now bet me.

............and tell us about your own low carbon lifestyle while you
are at it.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Ah finally got it out of you, two you cars you say and no clean energy
sources . You obviously take your granchildrens futures very
seriously.

By the way you can forget the bet as I really don't know which way the
earths climate is going.

A hypocrite is all you are. I have no problem with my lifestyle, but
you hate yours and everything in it.

I'm another one that is fed up of your denier's whining. I can set the
bet up with my solicitor tomorrow. All you have to do is not be a
hypocrite and accept. take a step backwards now and you'll be labelled
a hypocrite.

Your thread title is "Money Where Mouth is Time". So put your money
where your mealy mouth is, or stop whining about something you don't
actually believe will happen.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

---------------------------------------------------------------------------***-------------------------------------------------------------------------*-*-*-----------------------------------------------------------------------*--*--*-------------

Couple of things Paul

I started this thread only to highlight the fact that that handful of
people who can't wait to jump on me when I occasionally point out any
evidence that's contrary to rapid warming script that we seem to hear
about every day, couldn't think it was that *much of a problem if in
their own personal lives they still happily enjoyed the fruits of
fossil fuels. *That was purely the purpose with no money involved bar
the bankruptcy of some moral ground high standers being exposed.

My point has always been no one know how the global temperatures with
finally pan out as nothing is totally certain. Now you want to throw
in this stupid bet that has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact
that you bleat on about AGW that not only do you not have clean energy
solar panels on your South Devon roof you also own and run two cars
but do your bit by picking up the odd discarded toffee paper when
going for your green stroll to the corner shop,

I think I've proved my point exactly where you are concerned and
without a wasted penny changing hands.

It's "money where mouth is time". Or stop your silly attempts at non-
scientific idiocy, by saying that the world is cooling because you've
cherry picked some graphs. You opened this thread for a very specific
reason and you've failed miserably. Copy and paste all that I said an
take each point in term.

You live on your own, don't you?- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

---------------------------------------------------------------------------*---------------------------------------------------------------------------*-----------------------------------------

Actually I recently checked out your address on Google Maps and can
see clearly two cars and no solar panels whatsoever-so at least you
were being truthful. But unfortunately your honesty doesn't outweigh
your hypocrisy



Dangerously close to stalking - especially after your threats in the
past. I'm always truthful, Larry.

You live on your own, don't you?

"Martin Brown" wrote in message
...
On 27/02/2012 06:04, Col wrote:
Dawlish wrote:

Your thread title is "Money Where Mouth is Time". So put your money
where your mealy mouth is, or stop whining about something you don't
actually believe will happen.

Why not bet a nomimal 10 pounds, then you can play for
pride rather than high stakes?
Not everybody has 10k just lying around you know!

Actually on AGW we are playing for much higher stakes than that.

The OP issued challenge "money where mouth is" and Dawlish has offered him
a bet for £10k. Now lets see if he has the balls to take it up.

Actually Lawrence started the thread to ask what the
AGW 'believers' were doing in financial terms to
reduce emissions.
Nothing to do with a personal bet.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

Dawlish wrote:
On Feb 27, 6:04 am, "Col" wrote:
Dawlish wrote:



Your thread title is "Money Where Mouth is Time". So put your money
where your mealy mouth is, or stop whining about something you don't
actually believe will happen.

Why not bet a nomimal 10 pounds, then you can play for
pride rather than high stakes?
Not everybody has 10k just lying around you know!
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl



I know, that's why I've given him a range of £1000 - £10,000. I
believe he lives on his own, so he'll have plenty of spare cash.


Well that's more than a little presumptious of you, to make
judgements like that on Lawrence's personal finances.

The point is for a bet to be 'fair' the amount wagered has
to mean similar things to both participants.
Would you for example be prepared to bet your house?
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

On Feb 27, 6:08*pm, "Col" wrote:
Dawlish wrote:
On Feb 27, 6:04 am, "Col" wrote:
Dawlish wrote:

Your thread title is "Money Where Mouth is Time". So put your money
where your mealy mouth is, or stop whining about something you don't
actually believe will happen.

Why not bet a nomimal 10 pounds, then you can play for
pride rather than high stakes?
Not everybody has 10k just lying around you know!
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

I know, that's why I've given him a range of £1000 - £10,000. I
believe he lives on his own, so he'll have plenty of spare cash.

Well that's more than a little presumptious of you, to make
judgements like that on Lawrence's personal finances.

The point is for a bet to be 'fair' the amount wagered has
to mean similar things to both participants.
Would you for example be prepared to bet your house?
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl



I've already said what is acceptable to me. Now I'm awaiting larry. I
think he's a hypocrite, constantly cherry-picking silly variable data
to back his assertions that the globe isn't warming. He started this
discussion to try to press his ideas that his *opponents* are
hypocrites and the title was chosen very deliberately. Don't be taken
in. Then there's the veiled threat (again) that he's been looking at
my house on google earth! (Why would anyone do that, before he even
opened this discussion??). He's made physical threats before, as you
know.

Lawrence is exposed and when that happens he gets upset. He's exposed,
because he is a hypocrite; expousing one thing, but being afraid to
back that view with actual cash, but he still tries to criticise
others' lifestyles. Now he's in a corner and doesn't quite know where
to turn and it's his own silly fault, I'm afraid.

I'm fed up with it and I'm certainly not alone there.