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http://my.opera.com/Weatherlawyer/bl...omment90493342
The reasoning from my point of view, is that these things are erratic because of the unknown unknowns. There are known knowns; these are used to program weather model runs. There are things we know we know such as thickness. I am going to resist a parallel allusion here. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. When I say "we" of course, I mean you. But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. And you never will as long as you keep your heads shoved so firmly up your backsides. But I am not going to be my usual Mr Nasty about that (today.) After all we are all in it together. Well, you lot are. |
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On Jun 4, 5:02*pm, Weatherlawyer wrote:
http://my.opera.com/Weatherlawyer/bl...-9-m?cid=90493.... The reasoning from my point of view, is that these things are erratic because of the unknown unknowns. There are known knowns; these are used to program weather model runs. There are things we know we know such as thickness. I am going to resist a parallel allusion here. From the blog: Originally posted by Weatherlawyer: How do I tell them about the major resurgence in the Pacific? No.. Wait... Or is it tornadoes? *** Tropical Storm Twenty in the S. Indian Ocean. (I did say it was a complex set up.) The season in the southern Indian Ocean starts in June or July IIRC, so it must be coming to an end. Only it never ends there, not like the North Atlantic which has a quite sharply defined start and end. Thing get hectic from now until it runs off the map. Looking at yesterday's BOM Antarctica at T +72 it quite clearly shows a definition at 160 East that, if you follow it carefully runs across the continent to 20 East (Australia to Africa.) I was looking at the way the line bent instead following the isobars. Well, we live and learn. Some of us live. And some of us live and ledarn. Quite a lot of people get killed in the process. |
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Met Office view of 0000 UTC surface analysis The UK is currently under the influence of a large area of low pressure. Fronts circulating around this system will move north to bring persistent rain over eastern Scotland. Troughs approaching from the southwest will bring heavy, possibly thundery showers later today across many parts. *** When such a framework lies over the UK it signals the acoustic wave that controls our weather/IS our weather world-wide, is producing another tropical storm. Since the one in the West Pacific was due to run out of the tropics and being marked down from a Cat 1 directly to TS, I prsumed t would be another strom brewing up there. It might still. But whatever the case the above quote from the Met Office is from the dark ages. It won't matter what sort of super computer they get or fail to get next. Without getting real about their show they won't be putting it to much better use than magnetic weather symbols on a BBC chart board from the 1970's. Which IIRC wasn't as good as the 60's static board: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2008...bbc-weatherman Come to think of it, the magnets were replaced by a disastrous digimap that was almost completely camouflaged in green most of the time. Must have looked good in black and white. |
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On Jun 6, 7:44*am, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Jun 4, 5:02*pm, Weatherlawyer wrote: http://my.opera.com/Weatherlawyer/bl...-9-m?cid=90493.... The reasoning from my point of view, is that these things are erratic because of the unknown unknowns. There are known knowns; these are used to program weather model runs. There are things we know we know such as thickness. I am going to resist a parallel allusion here. From the blog: Originally posted by Weatherlawyer: How do I tell them about the major resurgence in the Pacific? No.. Wait... Or is it tornadoes? *** Tropical Storm Twenty in the S. Indian Ocean. (I did say it was a complex set up.) The season in the southern Indian Ocean starts in June or July IIRC, so it must be coming to an end. Only it never ends there, not like the North Atlantic which has a quite sharply defined start and end. Thing get hectic from now until it runs off the map. Looking at yesterday's BOM Antarctica at T +72 it quite clearly shows a definition at 160 East that, if you follow it carefully runs across the continent to 20 East (Australia to Africa.) I was looking at the way the line bent instead following the isobars. Well, we live and learn. Some of us live. And some of us live and ledarn. Quite a lot of people get killed in the process. I seem to have hit a wall however, the North Atlantic is still showing a blocked Low for the rest of this spell. Let's have a stab at that: Met Office view of 0000 UTC surface analysis An area of low pressure lies to the southwest of the UK, with a warm front close to Cornwall. This system will move slowly over the UK during Thursday and Friday, deepening, with tightly-packed isobars describing very strong winds across some southern parts. High pressure lies across the Mediterranean with generally warm and settled conditions here. Updated: 0730 UTC on Thu 7 Jun 2012 *** A low off America 997 will produce apir of Mag 5 quakes befor it moes out to the Mid Atlantic Ridge. Several more complex quake patterns exist in the rmains of the system over Western Europe until Noon today. From noon the quakes look to be fewer but more severe, maybe the suspects from midnight are just 4 to 4.8s, then. From midnight tonight the American based low moves to join the Western European one but the earthquake stuff has not diminished, so this pattern looks to be holding back until the spell braaks. (Next phase on th 11th.) |
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On Jun 7, 9:27*am, Weatherlawyer wrote:
How do I tell them about the major resurgence in the Pacific? No.. Wait... Or is it tornadoes? I seem to have hit a wall however, the North Atlantic is still showing a blocked Low for the rest of this spell. I don't know what it is but there is something spectacular brewing on the west of the Dateline from Friday evening tomorrow: http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/char...Refresh+ View T+ 42. From Midnight tonight it looks like a tropical storm but that is not how it develops. Also there is a stron L shape on the Peninsula. I forgotten which hand is which but that is either tornadoes or Tropical storms again. There is some odd stuff evolving there. It is worth paying attention to. I can't say there is much in the way of earthquakes, though something on the coast at the 60th longitude East might resemble that, late Sunday. |
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On Jun 7, 9:27*am, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Jun 6, 7:44*am, Weatherlawyer wrote: On Jun 4, 5:02*pm, Weatherlawyer wrote: http://my.opera.com/Weatherlawyer/bl...-9-m?cid=90493... The reasoning from my point of view, is that these things are erratic because of the unknown unknowns. There are known knowns; these are used to program weather model runs. There are things we know we know such as thickness. I am going to resist a parallel allusion here. From the blog: Originally posted by Weatherlawyer: How do I tell them about the major resurgence in the Pacific? No.. Wait... Or is it tornadoes? *** Tropical Storm Twenty in the S. Indian Ocean. (I did say it was a complex set up.) The season in the southern Indian Ocean starts in June or July IIRC, so it must be coming to an end. Only it never ends there, not like the North Atlantic which has a quite sharply defined start and end. Thing get hectic from now until it runs off the map. Looking at yesterday's BOM Antarctica at T +72 it quite clearly shows a definition at 160 East that, if you follow it carefully runs across the continent to 20 East (Australia to Africa.) I was looking at the way the line bent instead following the isobars. Well, we live and learn. Some of us live. And some of us live and ledarn. Quite a lot of people get killed in the process. I seem to have hit a wall however, the North Atlantic is still showing a blocked Low for the rest of this spell. Let's have a stab at that: Met Office view of 0000 *UTC surface analysis An area of low pressure lies to the southwest of the UK, with a warm front close to Cornwall. This system will move slowly over the UK during Thursday and Friday, deepening, with tightly-packed isobars describing very strong winds across some southern parts. High pressure lies across the Mediterranean with generally warm and settled conditions here. Updated: 0730 *UTC on Thu 7 Jun 2012 *** A low off America 997 will produce *a pair of Mag 5 quakes befor it moves out to the Mid Atlantic Ridge. Several more complex quake patterns exist in the remains of the system over Western Europe until Noon today. From noon the quakes look to be fewer but more severe, maybe the suspects from midnight are just 4 to 4.8s, then. From midnight tonight the American based low moves to join the Western European one but the earthquake stuff has not diminished, so this pattern looks to be holding back until the spell breaks. (Next phase on the 11th.) I can't believe this was IT: 2107 6 W WHEATLAND PLATTE WY 4205 10508 TORNADO ON THE GROUND 6 TO 8 MILES WEST OF WHEATLAND ON PALMER CANYON ROAD. (CYS) 2132 7 S WHEATLAND PLATTE WY 4195 10496 TORNADO STILL ON THE GROUND AND WILL CROSS INTERSTATE 25 JUST NORTH OF THE BORDEAUX EXIT. (CYS) 2200 WHEATLAND PLATTE WY 4205 10496 A TORNADO MOVED FROM WEST OF WHEATLAND TO NORTHEAST OF CHUGWATER. PRELIMINARY REPORTS INDICATE 5 HOUSES DESTROYED ... TRAIN DERAILED AND ONE PERSON INJURED BY THE TORNADO (CYS) 2234 2 N WHITAKER LARAMIE WY 4144 10487 BRIEF TORNADO TOUCHDOWN. (CYS) 2321 5 SE BYERS ARAPAHOE CO 3966 10416 VERY BRIEF TOUCHDOWN (BOU) 2328 8 ENE WHITAKER LARAMIE WY 4146 10474 TORNADO TOUCHED DOWN FOR SEVERAL MINUTES BEFORE DISSIPATING AT 528 PM. (CYS) 0018 12 SW AGATE ELBERT CO 3935 10411 (BOU) 0100 15 ESE KIOWA ELBERT CO 3926 10420 SEVEN HOMES REPORTED DAMAGE WITH ONE MINOR INJURY (BOU) 0146 2 ENE CALHAN EL PASO CO 3905 10426 (PUB) 0245 7 NW NUNN WELD CO 4078 10487 (BOU) It's no use, I shall just have to start drinking again! |
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Weatherlawyer wrote in news:0b68d078-22f1-47ad-
: It's no use, I shall just have to start drinking again! Does this mean you'll start making sense? (ya know I just had to say something snarky, it's my job) Brian |
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On Jun 9, 4:44*am, Skywise wrote:
Weatherlawyer wrote in news:0b68d078-22f1-47ad- : It's no use, I shall just have to start drinking again! Does this mean you'll start making sense? (ya know I just had to say something snarky, it's my job) You're welcome. Lawrence was beginning to feel sorry for me. It will be a relief for him. |
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On Jun 7, 9:47*am, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Jun 7, 9:27*am, Weatherlawyer wrote: How do I tell them about the major resurgence in the Pacific? No.. Wait... Or is it tornadoes? I seem to have hit a wall however, the North Atlantic is still showing a blocked Low for the rest of this spell. I don't know what it is but there is something spectacular brewing on the west of the Dateline from Friday evening tomorrow: http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/char...e=mslp-p....T+ 42. From Midnight tonight it looks like a tropical storm but that is not how it develops. Also there is a stron L shape on the Peninsula. I forgotten which hand is which but that is either tornadoes or Tropical storms again. There is some odd stuff evolving there. It is worth paying attention to. I can't say there is much in the way of earthquakes, though something on the coast at the 60th longitude East might resemble that, late Sunday. Four more persons perished in the heat wave sweeping across several parts of West Bengal to take the toll to 52, even as light showers Friday morning brought some relief to the people. Official sources said that in Burdwan district two persons died -- 35-year-old Uttam Karmakar, a truck helper, and 27-year-old daily wage earner Dipu Khetrapal. Karmakar was taken ill while he was loading rice in a truck under a blazing sun at Memari yesterday and died soon after. Khretapal's body was found lying near the DVC canal in Memari, police said. In Purulia town, 60-year-old Phani Mahato fell unconscious while walking on the road at noon and died on way to a hospital where the doctors said it was a sunstroke case. Seven people had died of sunstroke in Purulia district in the past seven days, officials said. However, unofficial accounts put the figure at 17. In North 24-Parganas district, a middle-aged person died at Hingalganj, additional SP of the region Mehboob Akhtar said. In some districts in south Bengal, there were rains this morning for an average 30 minutes giving relief to people from the intense heat. Relief, however, was temporary as the sun soon started to blaze again. Wrong footed me. Temperature levels in Maracaibo were equalled this week in Venezuela's hottest spotfest. I can safely admit that I did not see that one coming. Classic weather forecasts correct are they? If not, sleep out tonight. Far from falling roof tiles and etceteras. |
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On Jun 8, 10:36*pm, Weatherlawyer wrote:
I can't believe this was IT: It's no use, I shall just have to start drinking again! Presumably the build up to this went unnoticed? "The Fuego volcano, located about 50 kilometers (31 miles) south of this capital, on Sunday spewed a column of ash up to a kilometer (about 3,300 feet) high, a government agency reported. The National Vulcanology Institute said in a communique that the volcano, which rises 3,763 meters (12,230 feet) above sea level, on Sunday erupted effusively, according to seismic recordings and the images received from a camera at the observatory at Panimache. The volcano's activity presently consists of emissions of red hot lava being hurled from the crater to a height of some 500 meters (1,625 feet), the agency said. The institute went on to say that three rivers of lava were emerging from the crater and moving down the sides of the mountain. In addition, two emissions of ash rising from 800 to 1,000 meters (about 2,600 feet to 3,300 feet) were blowing southeast. The vulcanology institute warned that although the eruption presently consists of an effusion of lava, the possibility exists that in the coming hours the volcano's activity will increase to a pyroclastic flow of the kind experienced on May 19 and May 25." http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/new...rities-report/ |
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