What is the point of having different sub regional areas when the warning
text for all of them is the same?

Take the yellow warning for snow currently in place. Read what is found under
"Cumbria", it talks about Scotland an awful lot. OK the Borders are sort of
relevant for Cumbria but the exact same text can be found under all the other
sub regions with warnings in North West England. That's Greater Manchester,
Blackburn with Darwen and Lancashire.

By all means have such broad brush text for the main region but the sub
regions really ought to have it tailored to them.

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Cheers Dave.
Nr Garrigill, Cumbria. 421m ASL.

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ll.co.uk...
What is the point of having different sub regional areas when the warning
text for all of them is the same?

Take the yellow warning for snow currently in place. Read what is found
under
"Cumbria", it talks about Scotland an awful lot. OK the Borders are sort
of
relevant for Cumbria but the exact same text can be found under all the
other
sub regions with warnings in North West England. That's Greater
Manchester,
Blackburn with Darwen and Lancashire.

By all means have such broad brush text for the main region but the sub
regions really ought to have it tailored to them.


Ah but Dave you have to remember that it's all done from ExitDoor now.
Centralised forecasts for the whole UK. The poor Chief forecaster simply
doesn't have the time and does a great job in the circumstances. Now if we
still had Regional weather Centres ....... slap wrist

That decision made in 2005 to axe the weather centres due to short term cost
cutting was probably the worst strategic decision made by the Met Office
ever. Are you listening Directors? They have actually part acknowledged the
need for local forecasters again by having forecasters on site for the
Olympics etc. Go on go the whole hog, you know it makes sense, listen to
your Uncle Will for once - LOL.

Will
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In article o.uk,
Dave Liquorice writes:
What is the point of having different sub regional areas when the warning
text for all of them is the same?

Take the yellow warning for snow currently in place. Read what is found under
"Cumbria", it talks about Scotland an awful lot. OK the Borders are sort of
relevant for Cumbria but the exact same text can be found under all the other
sub regions with warnings in North West England. That's Greater Manchester,
Blackburn with Darwen and Lancashire.

By all means have such broad brush text for the main region but the sub
regions really ought to have it tailored to them.

Indeed. I thought that was why the sub-regions were introduced. If use
isn't made of them, then there's no point in having them.
--
John Hall

"Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong."
Oscar Wilde

On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 08:46:29 -0000, Eskimo Will wrote:

Take the yellow warning for snow currently in place. Read what is
found under "Cumbria", it talks about Scotland an awful lot. OK the
Borders are sort of relevant for Cumbria but the exact same text can
be found under all the other sub regions with warnings in North West
England. That's Greater Manchester, Blackburn with Darwen and
Lancashire.

By all means have such broad brush text for the main region but the
sub regions really ought to have it tailored to them.

Ah but Dave you have to remember that it's all done from ExitDoor now.

Where it's done isn't overly relevant these days all the data is available to
them weather they be in Exeter or Timbucktwo.

Centralised forecasts for the whole UK. The poor Chief forecaster
simply doesn't have the time and does a great job in the circumstances.

They only have one Chief Forecaster, who does it when he's not in or is on
leave or heaven forbid sick? Has forecasting become a 9-5 M-F only job these
days?

I don't think it really needs a Chief Forecaster to produce sub regional
warnings. It's a sub-editors job, to remove the irelevant parts of the
regional warning and add in a bit more local detail. Take this sentance from
the current warning for Cumbria:

"Over Scotland and northern England snow is expected over higher ground where
5-10cm is likely above about 250 m, with locally 10-15 cm possible above 400m
over Scotland."

What is the expected depth of snow for bits of Cumbria 400 m? Looks like it
could be anything from 5 cm to 15 cm... This same text is in the warning for
Greater Manchester etc...

The Chief Forecaster ought to approve the sub regional warning text but he
doesn't have to produce it.

--
Cheers Dave.
Nr Garrigill, Cumbria. 421m ASL.

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ll.co.uk...
On Thu, 6 Dec 2012 08:46:29 -0000, Eskimo Will wrote:

Take the yellow warning for snow currently in place. Read what is
found under "Cumbria", it talks about Scotland an awful lot. OK the
Borders are sort of relevant for Cumbria but the exact same text can
be found under all the other sub regions with warnings in North West
England. That's Greater Manchester, Blackburn with Darwen and
Lancashire.

By all means have such broad brush text for the main region but the
sub regions really ought to have it tailored to them.

Ah but Dave you have to remember that it's all done from ExitDoor now.

Where it's done isn't overly relevant these days all the data is available
to
them weather they be in Exeter or Timbucktwo.


Oh yes it is relevant. Local forecasters can still do a better job for their
local area as they will know it.
But of course it costs more to have local offices.

Centralised forecasts for the whole UK. The poor Chief forecaster
simply doesn't have the time and does a great job in the circumstances.

They only have one Chief Forecaster, who does it when he's not in or is on
leave or heaven forbid sick? Has forecasting become a 9-5 M-F only job
these
days?


One Chief per shift 24/7/365

I don't think it really needs a Chief Forecaster to produce sub regional
warnings. It's a sub-editors job, to remove the irelevant parts of the
regional warning and add in a bit more local detail. Take this sentance
from
the current warning for Cumbria:

"Over Scotland and northern England snow is expected over higher ground
where
5-10cm is likely above about 250 m, with locally 10-15 cm possible above
400m
over Scotland."

What is the expected depth of snow for bits of Cumbria 400 m? Looks like
it
could be anything from 5 cm to 15 cm... This same text is in the warning
for
Greater Manchester etc...


If we still had a Manchester Weather Centre then I am sure more detail would
have been given.
But yes you have a very good point, there is one hell of a difference
between 2 and 6 inches of snow.
2" (5cm) is just a light fall and life should go on with care. But 6" (15cm)
is bordering heavy and disruptive.

The Chief Forecaster ought to approve the sub regional warning text but he
doesn't have to produce it.

It was obviously approved/checked.

There will be more issues next week no doubt when the red snow warnings get
issued for London :-)

Will
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