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Martin.


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On Thursday, January 3, 2013 11:31:47 AM UTC, Martin Rowley wrote:
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Martin.

That's an interesting summary. 2012 rainfall % here was 118%, same as the average for Wales.

The tendency towards wetter conditions shows up in the Penzance averages:-

1961-1990 1140.0mm
1971-2000 1189.3mm
1981-2010 1219.6mm

Also getting warmer
1961-1990 11.1C
1971-2000 11.3C
1981-2010 11.6C

Though it's worth pointing out that Manleys average annual temperature for Penzance, based on the periods 1911-1920 & 1926-1949 was 11.5C.

Graham
Penzance where the cloud base is rather higher than forecast, above the tops of the hills on the Penwith moors. Good visibilty below the cloud http://www.sennen-cove.com/harbourcam.htm

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Martin.

Remind me Martin ,how these averages are arrived at , cos reading some of
stats for stations like Stafford/Derbyshire they had an appalingly dull
summer even record breaking, so the quoted 99% shown for England must have a
hollow ring....unless of course the other seasons were remarkably high

RonB




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Martin Rowley wrote:

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Martin.


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Noted four of the last five wettest have been this century. Now that
really would be something exceptional to happen without GW.
Dave

On 03/01/2013 16:50, ron button wrote:
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Martin.

Remind me Martin ,how these averages are arrived at , cos reading some of
stats for stations like Stafford/Derbyshire they had an appalingly dull
summer even record breaking, so the quoted 99% shown for England must have a
hollow ring....unless of course the other seasons were remarkably high

RonB

.... Indeed Ron - same for us; using Hurn as a 'first guess' for a wider
area around the Poole Basin, we had ~60% of the LTA sunshine last summer
- truly grim.

This is the problem with focussing on 'national' datasets over a year
that are massaged onto uniform grids etc. I've already heard on the
local (BBC South) news that it's been the wettest year 'on record' for
the south (i.e. this part of England); nothing of the sort of course -
even using the 1910+ cut-off ... probably the third or fourth wettest in
around 150 years I'd say ... but why let the facts get in the way of a
good story eh?

Martin.




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On 03/01/13 18:57, Dave Cornwell wrote:
Martin Rowley wrote:

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Martin.


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Noted four of the last five wettest have been this century. Now that
really would be something exceptional to happen without GW.
Dave

It is funny that they ask the question "is the UK getting wetter" when
just a year ago we were talking about severe drought and how it would
take months of significantly above-normal rainfall to replenish the
aquifers. I wonder if it is a case of an increase in atmospheric
blocking in recent years causing the UK's weather to become locked into
a particular pattern for extended periods.

Another thing I have noticed is the tendency for the NAO to be in a
negative state during the last three years. Last winter it went positive
then in spring flipped to a persistent negative state for the rest of
the year. It would be interesting to know the underlying causes behind this.

On Thursday, 3 January 2013 22:28:36 UTC, Adam Lea wrote:
On 03/01/13 18:57, Dave Cornwell wrote:

Martin Rowley wrote:



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Martin.





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Noted four of the last five wettest have been this century. Now that

really would be something exceptional to happen without GW.

Dave



It is funny that they ask the question "is the UK getting wetter" when

just a year ago we were talking about severe drought and how it would

take months of significantly above-normal rainfall to replenish the

aquifers. I wonder if it is a case of an increase in atmospheric

blocking in recent years causing the UK's weather to become locked into

a particular pattern for extended periods.



Another thing I have noticed is the tendency for the NAO to be in a

negative state during the last three years. Last winter it went positive

then in spring flipped to a persistent negative state for the rest of

the year. It would be interesting to know the underlying causes behind this.

Good point Adam

I almost heard Roger Harriben on rdio four this morning with the sub text yet again being AGW now making us all here in the UK increasingly wetter than normal. As you rightfully say only 9 months ago the UKMO forecast issued on the 23rd March 2012 was for april, may amnd June to carry on the drought theme with below average rainfall and that was something we needed to get used to due to AGW. Seems no matter what happens its due to dangerous AGW?

Don't these people have any shame ?

Lawrence13 wrote:

I almost heard Roger Harriben on rdio four this morning with the sub
text yet again being AGW now making us all here in the UK
increasingly wetter than normal. As you rightfully say only 9 months
ago the UKMO forecast issued on the 23rd March 2012 was for april,
may amnd June to carry on the drought theme with below average
rainfall and that was something we needed to get used to due to AGW.
Seems no matter what happens its due to dangerous AGW?

Don't these people have any shame ?

In 10 years' time, taken in the context of that time frame, the very wet
2012 may indeed appear as a brief wet spell in a generally drying trend.
Or not, as the case may be, to quote Weatherlawyer.

It is all to easy to say that AGW has caused prolonged drought and that it
will continues and then when there is prolonged rain say that AGW has
caused that and that too is part of a trend for wetter conditions.

Of course you can also have the best of both worlds by saying that AGW
will lead to more 'extreme' conditions, i.e. more very dry years but also
more very wet ones, when considered on a long time scale of course.

Your mileage may vary, as they say......
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