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Is the UK currently under the influence of a Bartlett High?

Have just watched the BBC forecast and "events at the top of the
atmosphere" affecting our weather later on and "watch this space" were
mentioned. Consistent with what Will has been saying on here.

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On Jan 3, 10:45*pm, Adam Lea wrote:
Is the UK currently under the influence of a Bartlett High?

Have just watched the BBC forecast and "events at the top of the
atmosphere" affecting our weather later on and "watch this space" were
mentioned. Consistent with what Will has been saying on here.


Actually it was first mentioned by Ilsington, yet another
Devonian with a geographical monicker. Thus I look forward to hearing
from Bovey Tracey who sounds like an agreeably tipsy young lady.
Would Haytor agree?
I know nothing about SSW's or their correlation with blocking
at a given longitude. I sense a certain straw-clutching. Sorry!

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.
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"Tudor Hughes" wrote in message
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On Jan 3, 10:45 pm, Adam Lea wrote:
Is the UK currently under the influence of a Bartlett High?

Have just watched the BBC forecast and "events at the top of the
atmosphere" affecting our weather later on and "watch this space" were
mentioned. Consistent with what Will has been saying on here.


Actually it was first mentioned by Ilsington, yet another
Devonian with a geographical monicker. Thus I look forward to hearing
from Bovey Tracey who sounds like an agreeably tipsy young lady.
Would Haytor agree?
I know nothing about SSW's or their correlation with blocking
at a given longitude. I sense a certain straw-clutching. Sorry!
==================

LOL Bovey is gorgeous :-)
Yes my friend Pete from Ilsington talked about the imminent (now happening)
SSW in my thread which I labelled "stratwarm" due to the earlier warming. It
is not straw clutching Tudor it is all about atmospheric dynamics. SSWs
enhance/cause blocking and distort the longwave pattern. This increases the
chances of cold weather in the UK but does not always happen, it all depends
on where everything sits.
At present my view is that the normal Strat polar vortex will split and
negative potential vorticity will thrust north building the Arctic high
ridging south down our longitude roughly. If it comes straight down 0W then
the very cold air will keep to our east over Scandinavia, but it will all be
on a knife-edge!
Professionals like John Hammond are right to be excited, as this SSW *could*
be a particularly big one if model output/diagniostics are to be believed.

Will
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http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm
Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
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On Jan 4, 8:21*am, "Eskimo Will" wrote:
"Tudor Hughes" wrote in message

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On Jan 3, 10:45 pm, Adam Lea wrote:

Is the UK currently under the influence of a Bartlett High?


Have just watched the BBC forecast and "events at the top of the
atmosphere" affecting our weather later on and "watch this space" were
mentioned. Consistent with what Will has been saying on here.


* * * * Actually it was first mentioned by Ilsington, yet another
Devonian with a geographical monicker. *Thus I look forward to hearing
from Bovey Tracey who sounds like an agreeably tipsy young lady.
Would Haytor agree?
* * * * I know nothing about SSW's or their correlation with blocking
at a given longitude. *I sense a certain straw-clutching. *Sorry!
==================

LOL Bovey is gorgeous :-)
Yes my friend Pete from Ilsington talked about the imminent (now happening)
SSW in my thread which I labelled "stratwarm" due to the earlier warming. It
is not straw clutching Tudor it is all about atmospheric dynamics. SSWs
enhance/cause blocking and distort the longwave pattern. This increases the
chances of cold weather in the UK but does not always happen, it all depends
on where everything sits.
At present my view is that the normal Strat polar vortex will split and
negative potential vorticity will thrust north building the Arctic high
ridging south down our longitude roughly. If it comes straight down 0W then
the very cold air will keep to our east over Scandinavia, but it will all be
on a knife-edge!
Professionals like John Hammond are right to be excited, as this SSW *could*
be a particularly big one if model output/diagniostics are to be believed..

Will
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Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
---------------------------------------------


Welcome to the weekly weather update for Dartmoor supplied by Haytor
private weather station

This page will provide a weekly update of expected weather in the
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All of these local Dartmoor forecasts are supplied on an "as is" basis
by the Chief forecaster and as such represent his personal opinion on
the likely weather and may be used at own risk for any purpose
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Forecast valid from Saturday 5th January to Saturday 12th January
issued on Thursday 3rd January.

Well, as expected last week, the persistent heavy rain has stopped and
I am confident that it is going to stay like this until the middle of
next week when some more rain is expected. However, big changes are
now taking place way up in the stratosphere and these are expected to
start to affect our weather during next weekend and beyond when a
change to very much colder conditions is on the cards. Very low
confidence yet though on outcomes and the all important detail, so
that will be a talking point for next week's forecast discussion to be
issued on the 10th.

Saturday will continue to be mainly cloudy and mild with fog and
drizzle around in a light to moderate SW wind. Temperatures 8-12C.

Sunday continues mainly cloudy and mild with possibly some drizzle.
Maybe some sunny intervals and less fog and mist. Winds SSW light to
moderate and temperatures 7-11C depending on altitude.

Monday will not be much different to Sunday. Staying mainly cloudy and
mild with occasional drizzle in a moderate or fresh SSW wind and
temperatures 7-11C.

Tuesday Rain will spread in slowly from the west during the day as SSW
winds fall light and variable. Probably turning quite foggy with the
rain. Staying mild with temperatures 7-10C but falling during the
afternoon and evening as slightly colder air pushes in.

Wednesday Outbreaks of rain in the morning will ease during the day
and visibility should improve as winds become either a moderate NW'ly
or a light to moderate easterly. Temperatures near normal at 5-8C.

Gradually turning clearer, colder and brighter during the rest of the
week with possibly a return to overnight frost by the weekend but well
above freezing by day. Very unsure of precipitation details though
likely to be mainly dry but low confidence on this.

Go here to check out the long range forecast for the season ahead.

Or go here to look at current weather for Haytor and Postbridge.

NEWS - in 2013 this site will be expanded. Please let me know if you
would like to see something specific by e-mailing
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Please tell your friends and colleagues about this site on Dartmoor!

Will Hand

Chief Forecaster Haytor

Do you archive previous forecasts and are they peer reviewed?
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Eskimo Will wrote:

"Tudor Hughes" wrote in message
...
On Jan 3, 10:45 pm, Adam Lea wrote:
Is the UK currently under the influence of a Bartlett High?

Have just watched the BBC forecast and "events at the top of the
atmosphere" affecting our weather later on and "watch this space" were
mentioned. Consistent with what Will has been saying on here.


Actually it was first mentioned by Ilsington, yet another
Devonian with a geographical monicker. Thus I look forward to hearing
from Bovey Tracey who sounds like an agreeably tipsy young lady.
Would Haytor agree?
I know nothing about SSW's or their correlation with blocking
at a given longitude. I sense a certain straw-clutching. Sorry!
==================

LOL Bovey is gorgeous :-)
Yes my friend Pete from Ilsington talked about the imminent (now
happening) SSW in my thread which I labelled "stratwarm" due to the
earlier warming. It is not straw clutching Tudor it is all about
atmospheric dynamics. SSWs enhance/cause blocking and distort the
longwave pattern. This increases the chances of cold weather in the UK
but does not always happen, it all depends on where everything sits.
At present my view is that the normal Strat polar vortex will split and
negative potential vorticity will thrust north building the Arctic high
ridging south down our longitude roughly. If it comes straight down 0W
then the very cold air will keep to our east over Scandinavia, but it
will all be on a knife-edge!
Professionals like John Hammond are right to be excited, as this SSW
*could* be a particularly big one if model output/diagniostics are to be
believed.

Will
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http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm
Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
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Well if John Hammond is interested that's good enough for me. He knows
his stuff. He got eleven right on Status Quo on Celebrity Mastermind
yesterday as well!
Dave


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On 04/01/2013 08:21, Eskimo Will wrote:

"Tudor Hughes" wrote in message
...
On Jan 3, 10:45 pm, Adam Lea wrote:
Is the UK currently under the influence of a Bartlett High?

Have just watched the BBC forecast and "events at the top of the
atmosphere" affecting our weather later on and "watch this space" were
mentioned. Consistent with what Will has been saying on here.


Actually it was first mentioned by Ilsington, yet another
Devonian with a geographical monicker. Thus I look forward to hearing
from Bovey Tracey who sounds like an agreeably tipsy young lady.
Would Haytor agree?
I know nothing about SSW's or their correlation with blocking
at a given longitude. I sense a certain straw-clutching. Sorry!
==================

LOL Bovey is gorgeous :-)
Yes my friend Pete from Ilsington talked about the imminent (now
happening) SSW in my thread which I labelled "stratwarm" due to the
earlier warming. It is not straw clutching Tudor it is all about
atmospheric dynamics. SSWs enhance/cause blocking and distort the
longwave pattern. This increases the chances of cold weather in the UK
but does not always happen, it all depends on where everything sits.
At present my view is that the normal Strat polar vortex will split and
negative potential vorticity will thrust north building the Arctic high
ridging south down our longitude roughly. If it comes straight down 0W
then the very cold air will keep to our east over Scandinavia, but it
will all be on a knife-edge!
Professionals like John Hammond are right to be excited, as this SSW
*could* be a particularly big one if model output/diagniostics are to be
believed.

Will
--
http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm
Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
---------------------------------------------


And, er, remind me, when did the '47 Winter begin?...;-)
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Dave Cornwell writes:
Well if John Hammond is interested that's good enough for me. He
knows his stuff. He got eleven right on Status Quo on Celebrity
Mastermind yesterday as well!


Oh dear! I suppose nobody's perfect.
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"Whenever people agree with me I always feel I must be wrong."
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On Jan 4, 12:04*pm, James Brown wrote:
On 04/01/2013 08:21, Eskimo Will wrote:







"Tudor Hughes" wrote in message
....
On Jan 3, 10:45 pm, Adam Lea wrote:
Is the UK currently under the influence of a Bartlett High?


Have just watched the BBC forecast and "events at the top of the
atmosphere" affecting our weather later on and "watch this space" were
mentioned. Consistent with what Will has been saying on here.


* * * * Actually it was first mentioned by Ilsington, yet another
Devonian with a geographical monicker. *Thus I look forward to hearing
from Bovey Tracey who sounds like an agreeably tipsy young lady.
Would Haytor agree?
* * * * I know nothing about SSW's or their correlation with blocking
at a given longitude. *I sense a certain straw-clutching. *Sorry!
==================


LOL Bovey is gorgeous :-)
Yes my friend Pete from Ilsington talked about the imminent (now
happening) SSW in my thread which I labelled "stratwarm" due to the
earlier warming. It is not straw clutching Tudor it is all about
atmospheric dynamics. SSWs enhance/cause blocking and distort the
longwave pattern. This increases the chances of cold weather in the UK
but does not always happen, it all depends on where everything sits.
At present my view is that the normal Strat polar vortex will split and
negative potential vorticity will thrust north building the Arctic high
ridging south down our longitude roughly. If it comes straight down 0W
then the very cold air will keep to our east over Scandinavia, but it
will all be on a knife-edge!
Professionals like John Hammond are right to be excited, as this SSW
*could* be a particularly big one if model output/diagniostics are to be
believed.


Will
--
http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm
Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
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And, er, remind me, when did the '47 Winter begin?...;-)- Hide quoted text -

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February. I was 4, but dont't remember it. The same could be
said of 1956, which I do remember, and 1986, which I remember even
better. I can't quite see what you're getting at. Surely these
events, whether or not significant, can occur at any time of the
winter?

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.
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On 05/01/2013 01:44, Tudor Hughes wrote:
On Jan 4, 12:04 pm, James Brown wrote:
On 04/01/2013 08:21, Eskimo Will wrote:







"Tudor Hughes" wrote in message
...
On Jan 3, 10:45 pm, Adam Lea wrote:
Is the UK currently under the influence of a Bartlett High?


Have just watched the BBC forecast and "events at the top of the
atmosphere" affecting our weather later on and "watch this space" were
mentioned. Consistent with what Will has been saying on here.


Actually it was first mentioned by Ilsington, yet another
Devonian with a geographical monicker. Thus I look forward to hearing
from Bovey Tracey who sounds like an agreeably tipsy young lady.
Would Haytor agree?
I know nothing about SSW's or their correlation with blocking
at a given longitude. I sense a certain straw-clutching. Sorry!
==================


LOL Bovey is gorgeous :-)
Yes my friend Pete from Ilsington talked about the imminent (now
happening) SSW in my thread which I labelled "stratwarm" due to the
earlier warming. It is not straw clutching Tudor it is all about
atmospheric dynamics. SSWs enhance/cause blocking and distort the
longwave pattern. This increases the chances of cold weather in the UK
but does not always happen, it all depends on where everything sits.
At present my view is that the normal Strat polar vortex will split and
negative potential vorticity will thrust north building the Arctic high
ridging south down our longitude roughly. If it comes straight down 0W
then the very cold air will keep to our east over Scandinavia, but it
will all be on a knife-edge!
Professionals like John Hammond are right to be excited, as this SSW
*could* be a particularly big one if model output/diagniostics are to be
believed.


Will
--
http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm
Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
---------------------------------------------


And, er, remind me, when did the '47 Winter begin?...;-)- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


February. I was 4, but dont't remember it. The same could be
said of 1956, which I do remember, and 1986, which I remember even
better. I can't quite see what you're getting at. Surely these
events, whether or not significant, can occur at any time of the
winter?

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.


It was following up the various threads start warming/TV weather
presenters etc who were all hinting at significant cold and the 65 years
ago theme... Ah well, sorry Tudor.

James
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Tudor Hughes writes:
On Jan 4, 12:04*pm, James Brown wrote:

And, er, remind me, when did the '47 Winter begin?...;-)- Hide quoted text -


February. I was 4, but dont't remember it. The same could be
said of 1956, which I do remember, and 1986, which I remember even
better. I can't quite see what you're getting at. Surely these
events, whether or not significant, can occur at any time of the
winter?


Actually the 1947 winter began on about 23th January. But I'm sure
you're right that such events can occur at any time of year. (Though
there were an unusual number of really cold Februaries from the 1940s
onwards: 1947, 1956, 1963 and 1986 all had sub-zero CETs.)
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