food for thought for any ice agers on here

http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

On Monday, 25 March 2013 20:41:47 UTC, Scott W wrote:
food for thought for any ice agers on here



http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/


Nothing unusual in air temperatures 80 degrees north
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php

and the Antarctic still way above average.http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosph....antarctic.png
..

Look at the red average line showing a steady increase,

Also how do we know that before satellites that the ice wax and waned anyway. I have a crude theory that when there is a set pattern synoptic with the jet stream meandering so that allow cold air south and warmer air north and if this pattern is stuck with the southerly route back over the oceans thus collecting warmth and the northerly airstream over land then this would lead to colder air over the land masses and warmer air pumping back to the Arctic. Still, saying that the 80 degrees north temps look no worse than usual.

Lawrence13 wrote:
On Monday, 25 March 2013 20:41:47 UTC, Scott W wrote:
food for thought for any ice agers on here



http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/


Nothing unusual in air temperatures 80 degrees north
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php

and the Antarctic still way above average.http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosph....antarctic.png
.

Look at the red average line showing a steady increase,

Also how do we know that before satellites that the ice wax and waned anyway. I have a crude theory that when there is a set pattern synoptic with the jet stream meandering so that allow cold air south and warmer air north and if this pattern is stuck with the southerly route back over the oceans thus collecting warmth and the northerly airstream over land then this would lead to colder air over the land masses and warmer air pumping back to the Arctic. Still, saying that the 80 degrees north temps look no worse than usual.
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Well at least I can now personally vouch for at least one glacier still
present in Iceland ;-)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dcweath...in/photostream
Dave

On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 23:52:52 +0000, Dave Cornwell wrote:

Lawrence13 wrote:
On Monday, 25 March 2013 20:41:47 UTC, Scott W wrote:
food for thought for any ice agers on here



http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/


Nothing unusual in air temperatures 80 degrees north
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php

and the Antarctic still way above average.http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosph....antarctic.png
.

Look at the red average line showing a steady increase,

Also how do we know that before satellites that the ice wax and waned anyway. I have a crude theory that when there is a set pattern synoptic with the jet stream meandering so that allow cold air south and warmer air north and if this pattern is stuck with the southerly route back over the oceans thus collecting warmth and the northerly airstream over land then this would lead to colder air over the land masses and warmer air pumping back to the Arctic. Still, saying that the 80 degrees north temps look no worse than usual.
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Well at least I can now personally vouch for at least one glacier still
present in Iceland ;-)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dcweath...in/photostream
Dave

that looks like Langjökull. I've also seen it from the other side.



--
Regards, Paul Herber, Sandrila Ltd.
http://www.sandrila.co.uk/ twitter: @sandrilaLtd

On Monday, March 25, 2013 8:41:47 PM UTC, Scott W wrote:
food for thought for any ice agers on here



http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

The ice maximum is of little import. The Arctic will be frozen in March to a similar extent, probably in 2200, never mind 2100. The difference, of course, will be that the whole arctic will be covered with first-year ice.

Ice in Antarctica is reducing; ice in the Arctic is reducing. It's called GW, as we all know and it is highly likely to be being caused by us.

On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 16:10:09 -0700 (PDT)
Lawrence13 wrote:

Also how do we know that before satellites that the ice wax and waned
anyway.

We had reports from ships and aircraft before satellites. even in the
1950s, when there was more ice than there is today, there was concern
over reported reduction in area and thickness of Arctic sea-ice.

--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks.
Carlos Seixas, Sonata nº 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXox7vonfEg
And for something completely different, Cumberland Gap:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsU-LTwx8Co

On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 08:37:53 +0000, Graham P Davis wrote:

On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 16:10:09 -0700 (PDT)
Lawrence13 wrote:

Also how do we know that before satellites that the ice wax and waned
anyway.

We had reports from ships and aircraft before satellites. even in the
1950s, when there was more ice than there is today, there was concern
over reported reduction in area and thickness of Arctic sea-ice.

And whaling ships have been visiting the area for hundreds of years as well as many
explorers loong for the NE and NW passages.



--
Regards, Paul Herber, Sandrila Ltd.
http://www.sandrila.co.uk/ twitter: @sandrilaLtd

On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 00:43:49 -0700 (PDT), Dawlish wrote:

On Monday, March 25, 2013 8:41:47 PM UTC, Scott W wrote:
food for thought for any ice agers on here



http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

The ice maximum is of little import. The Arctic will be frozen in March to a similar extent, probably in 2200, never mind 2100. The difference, of course, will be that the whole arctic will be covered with first-year ice.

... except once the bulk of the current northern ice has gone in the summer the water will
be able to warm significantly above 0C, mixxing of the top and lower waters will increase
the salinity, but also surface currents will change the current water distribution. Warmer
NAD waters will certainly effect the northern coasts of Greenland and Canada once the
large lump of ice that is currently in the way dsappears.




--
Regards, Paul Herber, Sandrila Ltd.
http://www.sandrila.co.uk/ twitter: @sandrilaLtd

On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 09:36:13 +0000
Paul Herber wrote:

On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 08:37:53 +0000, Graham P Davis
wrote:

On Mon, 25 Mar 2013 16:10:09 -0700 (PDT)
Lawrence13 wrote:

Also how do we know that before satellites that the ice wax and
waned anyway.

We had reports from ships and aircraft before satellites. even in the
1950s, when there was more ice than there is today, there was concern
over reported reduction in area and thickness of Arctic sea-ice.

And whaling ships have been visiting the area for hundreds of years
as well as many explorers loong for the NE and NW passages.


All of which has been explained to Lawrence many times before but
either he's forgotten or has preferred to ignore inconvenient truths.

--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks.
Carlos Seixas, Sonata nº 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXox7vonfEg
And for something completely different, Cumberland Gap:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsU-LTwx8Co

On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 09:47:02 +0000
Paul Herber wrote:

On Tue, 26 Mar 2013 00:43:49 -0700 (PDT), Dawlish
wrote:

On Monday, March 25, 2013 8:41:47 PM UTC, Scott W wrote:
food for thought for any ice agers on here



http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

The ice maximum is of little import. The Arctic will be frozen in
March to a similar extent, probably in 2200, never mind 2100. The
difference, of course, will be that the whole arctic will be covered
with first-year ice.

.. except once the bulk of the current northern ice has gone in the
summer the water will be able to warm significantly above 0C, mixxing
of the top and lower waters will increase the salinity, but also
surface currents will change the current water distribution. Warmer
NAD waters will certainly effect the northern coasts of Greenland and
Canada once the large lump of ice that is currently in the way
dsappears.


Which is probably why, forty or more years ago, it was thought that
there was a fifty-fifty chance that the Arctic ice-cap would not return
once it had completely melted in the summer. Computer models apparently
say this won't be the case but they have fared pretty badly so far in
predicting the melting of the Arctic ice.


--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks.
Carlos Seixas, Sonata nº 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXox7vonfEg
And for something completely different, Cumberland Gap:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsU-LTwx8Co