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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/2758547.stm
Shetland weather office to shut Scotland's most northerly Met Office is to close. The weather station's main customer, Shetland Islands Council, has decided as a cost-cutting measure to stop paying for forecasters to be based at the Oil Port of Sullom Voe. The council has opted for a remotely-based service, possibly from Aberdeen, from next April. Harbour officials argue the council can no longer justfiy paying for onsite forecasters when tanker traffic has dropped by three-quarters since the 1980's. But critics say the loss of a local service will increase the risk of weather-related problems across the islands. -- Paul |
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On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 15:29:01 GMT, Paul C wrote:
But critics say the loss of a local service will increase the risk of weather-related problems across the islands. Curious statement. How does the presence (or absence) of forecasters affect what the weather is going to do? -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 15:29:01 GMT, Paul C wrote: But critics say the loss of a local service will increase the risk of weather-related problems across the islands. Curious statement. How does the presence (or absence) of forecasters affect what the weather is going to do? Here's the locals' reaction: http://www.shetland-news.co.uk/pages...e_to_close.htm |
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![]() "Dave Liquorice" wrote in message . 1... On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 15:29:01 GMT, Paul C wrote: But critics say the loss of a local service will increase the risk of weather-related problems across the islands. Curious statement. How does the presence (or absence) of forecasters affect what the weather is going to do? I see your point Dave, but what they say makes sense to me. Granted the loss of that office, or any Met Office, doesn't actually change the weather that will happen, but surely the whole point of weather forecasting is that advanced warnings and such like are given to minimise disruption. If suddenly the UK were to recieve no weather forecasts, then no, it doesn't affect the weather, but it would most certainly increase the amount of weather-related problems. Ii know the Shetland thing is on a much smaller scale, but the correlation is there. -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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![]() "Dave Liquorice" wrote in message . 1... On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 15:29:01 GMT, Paul C wrote: But critics say the loss of a local service will increase the risk of weather-related problems across the islands. Curious statement. How does the presence (or absence) of forecasters affect what the weather is going to do? perhaps the quality of forecast improves if the forecaster is within easy reach? :-)) Jim Webster -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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![]() "Jim Webster" wrote in message ... "Dave Liquorice" wrote in message . 1... On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 15:29:01 GMT, Paul C wrote: But critics say the loss of a local service will increase the risk of weather-related problems across the islands. Curious statement. How does the presence (or absence) of forecasters affect what the weather is going to do? perhaps the quality of forecast improves if the forecaster is within easy reach? Put yourself in the position of a skipper/captain of a boat/ship, then simply ask yourselves whether the best advice would come from the likes of Mr Wheeler with many years of experience of the local conditions, or some PFY with a half baked degree, 100's of miles away, who's knowledge of meteorology doesn't go much beyond that which the latest model run shows. |
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![]() "AliCat" wrote in message ... conditions, or some PFY with a half baked degree, 100's of miles away, who's knowledge of meteorology doesn't go much beyond that which the latest model run shows. Steve, That is in fact slander and could have legal implications. What proof do you have that forecasters at the Aberdeen office have "half baked degrees"? A |
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On Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:33:17 +0100, Mark Lowe wrote:
But critics say the loss of a local service will increase the risk of weather-related problems across the islands. Curious statement. How does the presence (or absence) of forecasters affect what the weather is going to do? I see your point Dave, but what they say makes sense to me. Granted the loss of that office, or any Met Office, doesn't actually change the weather that will happen, ... I'm glad some one does, everyone else seems to be reading what they want to read not what is actually written. ... but surely the whole point of weather forecasting is that advanced warnings and such like are given to minimise disruption. Quite, and a local human forcaster with lots of local knowledge and experience to base his forecast on is far more likely to beat a model or a remote forecaster without the local knowledge. -- Cheers Dave. pam is missing e-mail |
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![]() "Andrew Bond" wrote in message ... "AliCat" wrote in message ... conditions, or some PFY with a half baked degree, 100's of miles away, who's knowledge of meteorology doesn't go much beyond that which the latest model run shows. Steve, That is in fact slander and could have legal implications. What proof do you have that forecasters at the Aberdeen office have "half baked degrees"? I neither mentioned Aberdeen nor anyone's name. I asked who's advice you would value most. What's your answer? |
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![]() "Andrew Bond" wrote in message ... "AliCat" wrote in message ... conditions, or some PFY with a half baked degree, 100's of miles away, who's knowledge of meteorology doesn't go much beyond that which the latest model run shows. Steve, That is in fact slander and could have legal implications. What proof do you have that forecasters at the Aberdeen office have "half baked degrees"? A Trying to work out whether you are being ironic or not Andrew, or just joking? IHVHO quite a lot of forecasters that come onto the Met Office forecaster training program are not up to standard, and that is bourne out by how many subsequently leave because of the rigours of the job. Fancy headlines and polar bear pictures on websites are one thing, but aviation forecasting for pilots at a Met Office outstation is something rather different. Who mentioned Aberdeen anyroad? I'd far rather trust a forecaster that not only combines his/her own knowledge, but those of model outouts, rather than one that simply extrapolates models with little weather knowledge of what they are looking at! |
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