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On Thursday, April 4, 2013 4:04:35 PM UTC+1, wrote:
"Dawlish" wrote in message ... On Thursday, April 4, 2013 2:51:16 PM UTC+1, wrote: "Dawlish" wrote in message ... The presenters are representing a *huge* majority of people in the UK who are sick of the cold for this winter. You aren't. It's as simple as that. Why do all your posts get personal? Come on give us your scientific views on the latest situation and why? Will -- http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl) --------------------------------------------- Odd. You criticise the presenter for what you see as a failing in not agreeing with your minority view about cold and I criticise you for criticising the presenter's viewpoint which represents the *huge* majority of that of the rest of the UK. Somehow, to you, that's personal. What's the probability of disruption due to this coming change of pattern, Will? Not the outside possibility of disruption, which is always there in such a change and which is what most of your comments are about, but the probability? The ensembles certainly don't suggest anything particularly disruptive for the vast majority of the UK over the next 10 days. but they do suggest milder and the vast majority of people would swap this cold for what's coming. The presenter was absolutely right in reflecting the country's viewpoint. The possible rain and Atlantic-sourced winds certainly don't look disruptive for most and it really will come as a *relief* to most people. Not to you, but we all know that if it's not cold, you're not a happy bunny. *)) ================================ You're right I'm loving this *dry* weather. Don't care about the cold at this time of year, it can even get warmer if it wants as long as it stays *dry*. OK it's snowing up here now but the air still has a dry feel with low wet-bulbs. Will heavy rain and wind really be a relief because that is what could happen down here with 985hPa lows close by. And then there is the renewed risk of flooding, it won't take much you know. And then there is the risk of further heavy snow further north with sub -5C air predicted to hang around. I fully expect yellow snow warnings to be issued early next week after a fine weekend which I will enjoy, as it will be DRY. Will -- http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl) --------------------------------------------- All I can say is "GOOD FOR YOU" and do enjoy, to echo your capitals. I will re-iterate that the vast majority of the country do not share your view about the cold and it really will be a *relief* to lose these easterlies. Again, I know all about possibilities and we all do. I asked you for *probabilities* of disruption, as you brought that word up. You appear to have ignored that one. There are certainly possibilities of all sorts of disruptive weather; there always are in this set-up, but surely even you would agree that the probabilities of disruptive weather are pretty low during the next 10 days, as the pattern change sets in, except for very transitory snow for lowland areas during the change from cold continental to maritime air and potentially heavier snow over the hills where the yellow warnings are likely to be issued (I agree) over a couple of days. Following that, I expect most populated areas to have few difficulties through next week and next weekend and I expect a lot of people will have smiles on their faces and will be breathing sighs of *relief* as they step out into warmer, spring-like sunshine between the rain-bands and the showers - just like presenters are apparently saying they will. I don't think my forecast for next Thursday will be far out; do you? |
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Nick wrote:
The problem IMO with the current setup in the S and SE at least is the persistent dullness, combined with the spartan and sterile look of the countryside compared to normal. Tuesday was actually nice - sunny all day - but it only lasted one day. I'll take anything which means brighter conditions, even if it comes with showers - though dull, cyclonic gloom would I suspect be even worse than we have now. At least I've got the sunshine up here, max of 7.8°C here today. In the sun and out of the wind, that feels OK. It *is* only early April of course. It's also very dry here. At first I thought the grass just had that pale and washed out look you normally get at the end of winter but it has now taken on something of a 'parched' appearance normally associated with a long dry spell in summer. Don't know whether it's the cold or the dry that's doing this, probably a bit of both. The last precipitation of any note was 22nd/23rd march which gave 14cm snowfall and if we equate that to 14mm rain that's a resonable fall. I just wonder how much of that actually made it's way into the ground. I reckon quite a lot simply evaporated in the sun and the drying winds. -- Col Bolton, Lancashire 160m asl |
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Eskimo Will wrote:
All over media weather forecasts I keep hearing about "relief" on the way with milder air. Sometimes it's more about what they *don't* say then what they do say. Peter Gibbs on the 6.30 forecast was asked if the cold weather was finally going but didn't commit himself, merely saying that this was 'the winter that wouldn't go away'. Local news just admitted to 'backpedalling' and said the milder weather might not make it till the end of next week. That's a week off, and like politics, a week is a long time in weather forecasting ![]() To be honest if it stays as it is now with temps of 7/8°C a good deal of sun, dry and that damn wind doesn't pick up it's perfectly agreeable. 20°C can wait! It's the windy sub 5°C days with not much sun that I was getting at the start of last week that were getting seriously tiresome. -- Col Bolton, Lancashire 160m asl |
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On Thursday, April 4, 2013 8:48:32 AM UTC+1, wrote:
All over media weather forecasts I keep hearing about "relief" on the way with milder air. "Relief" I think is the word most people would use, don't you? OK we will certainly lose the easterly but from the Midlands northwards is it really going to get much milder after we lose the sun and still stay in relatively deep cold air? I think not. Fortunately it has. I also heard today on R4 the presenter saying she is "looking forward" to the milder weather next week. What she does not realise is that in the south at least there is the potential for a lot of wind and rain and for the north more snow. I know this easterly is far too cold for many because of the low wet-bulb temperatures, but at least it is mainly bone dry and one can get out and do things, unless you have deep snow cover which the majority don't have. The one consolation for wet is that plant growth will start in eaernest and it won't rain all the time. I guess what a lot of people really want is a summery Azores high and we ain't going to get that, it is going to be a long process of warming up with the jet still way far south. Keep the expectation down, deep cold air will never be far away in the next two weeks. Will -- http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl) --------------------------------------------- "Relief" I think is the word. Just got back from a week in Rome (18C, sunshine every day; a beautiful Roman spring and what a fantastic city) to find, as expected and forecast from 10 days out, spring has sprung in the UK. *)) |
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On 13/04/13 07:10, Dawlish wrote:
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 8:48:32 AM UTC+1, wrote: All over media weather forecasts I keep hearing about "relief" on the way with milder air. "Relief" I think is the word most people would use, don't you? OK we will certainly lose the easterly but from the Midlands northwards is it really going to get much milder after we lose the sun and still stay in relatively deep cold air? I think not. Fortunately it has. I also heard today on R4 the presenter saying she is "looking forward" to the milder weather next week. What she does not realise is that in the south at least there is the potential for a lot of wind and rain and for the north more snow. I know this easterly is far too cold for many because of the low wet-bulb temperatures, but at least it is mainly bone dry and one can get out and do things, unless you have deep snow cover which the majority don't have. The one consolation for wet is that plant growth will start in eaernest and it won't rain all the time. I guess what a lot of people really want is a summery Azores high and we ain't going to get that, it is going to be a long process of warming up with the jet still way far south. Keep the expectation down, deep cold air will never be far away in the next two weeks. Will -- http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl) --------------------------------------------- "Relief" I think is the word. Just got back from a week in Rome (18C, sunshine every day; a beautiful Roman spring and what a fantastic city) to find, as expected and forecast from 10 days out, spring has sprung in the UK. *)) Well it has got milder here, but on the other hand I have just woken up to what is looking like a fifth consecutive day of virtually no sunshine. This seems to be the theme this year, we have a couple of nice days, then we have to have a week of crap as a punishment. |
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On Apr 13, 8:29*am, Adam Lea wrote:
On 13/04/13 07:10, Dawlish wrote: On Thursday, April 4, 2013 8:48:32 AM UTC+1, wrote: All over media weather forecasts I keep hearing about "relief" on the way with milder air. "Relief" I think is the word most people would use, don't you? OK we will certainly lose the easterly but from the Midlands northwards is it really going to get much milder after we lose the sun and still stay in relatively deep cold air? I think not. Fortunately it has. I also heard today on R4 the presenter saying she is "looking forward" to the milder weather next week. What she does not realise is that in the south at least there is the potential for a lot of wind and rain and for the north more snow. I know this easterly is far too cold for many because of the low wet-bulb temperatures, but at least it is mainly bone dry and one can get out and do things, unless you have deep snow cover which the majority don't have. The one consolation for wet is that plant growth will start in eaernest and it won't rain all the time. I guess what a lot of people really want is a summery Azores high and we ain't going to get that, it is going to be a long process of warming up with the jet still way far south. Keep the expectation down, deep cold air will never be far away in the next two weeks. Will -- http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl) --------------------------------------------- "Relief" I think is the word. Just got back from a week in Rome (18C, sunshine every day; a beautiful Roman spring and what a fantastic city) to find, as expected and forecast from 10 days out, spring has sprung in the UK. *)) Well it has got milder here, but on the other hand I have just woken up to what is looking like a fifth consecutive day of virtually no sunshine. This seems to be the theme this year, we have a couple of nice days, then we have to have a week of crap as a punishment. Yes, I agree it still does not feel spring like here (Southampton). Actually the most spring-like day recently was last Saturday, when we were still in the easterly and temperatures got to decent values due to the sunshine and little wind. Very reminiscent of an unpleasant day in February today, sadly. Really beginning to wonder if spring will ever arrive at this rate. This dull, sunless, bleak, lifeless, bland, anaemic month has done something quite remarkable: already beaten April 2012 by some measure for sheer unpleasantness. At least the former had more plant growth due to the warm March and actually resembled a bad spring month at least. This month just resembles a bad February. Nick Nick |
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On 13/04/13 11:19, Nick wrote:
On Apr 13, 8:29 am, Adam wrote: On 13/04/13 07:10, Dawlish wrote: On Thursday, April 4, 2013 8:48:32 AM UTC+1, wrote: All over media weather forecasts I keep hearing about "relief" on the way with milder air. "Relief" I think is the word most people would use, don't you? OK we will certainly lose the easterly but from the Midlands northwards is it really going to get much milder after we lose the sun and still stay in relatively deep cold air? I think not. Fortunately it has. I also heard today on R4 the presenter saying she is "looking forward" to the milder weather next week. What she does not realise is that in the south at least there is the potential for a lot of wind and rain and for the north more snow. I know this easterly is far too cold for many because of the low wet-bulb temperatures, but at least it is mainly bone dry and one can get out and do things, unless you have deep snow cover which the majority don't have. The one consolation for wet is that plant growth will start in eaernest and it won't rain all the time. I guess what a lot of people really want is a summery Azores high and we ain't going to get that, it is going to be a long process of warming up with the jet still way far south. Keep the expectation down, deep cold air will never be far away in the next two weeks. Will -- http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl) --------------------------------------------- "Relief" I think is the word. Just got back from a week in Rome (18C, sunshine every day; a beautiful Roman spring and what a fantastic city) to find, as expected and forecast from 10 days out, spring has sprung in the UK. *)) Well it has got milder here, but on the other hand I have just woken up to what is looking like a fifth consecutive day of virtually no sunshine. This seems to be the theme this year, we have a couple of nice days, then we have to have a week of crap as a punishment. Yes, I agree it still does not feel spring like here (Southampton). Actually the most spring-like day recently was last Saturday, when we were still in the easterly and temperatures got to decent values due to the sunshine and little wind. Very reminiscent of an unpleasant day in February today, sadly. Really beginning to wonder if spring will ever arrive at this rate. This dull, sunless, bleak, lifeless, bland, anaemic month has done something quite remarkable: already beaten April 2012 by some measure for sheer unpleasantness. At least the former had more plant growth due to the warm March and actually resembled a bad spring month at least. This month just resembles a bad February. Nick Nick I have to say I can't remember the last time the landscape looked so bleak at this time of year. There are signs of spring, the daffs are mostly out as are the early spring flowers (e.g. primroses) but the trees and shrubs are still bare (although they are budding now). It is the latter that is mainly contributing to the bleakness. |
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On Apr 13, 1:55*pm, Adam Lea wrote:
On 13/04/13 11:19, Nick wrote: On Apr 13, 8:29 am, Adam *wrote: On 13/04/13 07:10, Dawlish wrote: On Thursday, April 4, 2013 8:48:32 AM UTC+1, wrote: All over media weather forecasts I keep hearing about "relief" on the way with milder air. "Relief" I think is the word most people would use, don't you? OK we will certainly lose the easterly but from the Midlands northwards is it really going to get much milder after we lose the sun and still stay in relatively deep cold air? I think not. Fortunately it has. I also heard today on R4 the presenter saying she is "looking forward" to the milder weather next week. What she does not realise is that in the south at least there is the potential for a lot of wind and rain and for the north more snow. I know this easterly is far too cold for many because of the low wet-bulb temperatures, but at least it is mainly bone dry and one can get out and do things, unless you have deep snow cover which the majority don't have. The one consolation for wet is that plant growth will start in eaernest and it won't rain all the time. I guess what a lot of people really want is a summery Azores high and we ain't going to get that, it is going to be a long process of warming up with the jet still way far south. Keep the expectation down, deep cold air will never be far away in the next two weeks. Will -- http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl) --------------------------------------------- "Relief" I think is the word. Just got back from a week in Rome (18C, sunshine every day; a beautiful Roman spring and what a fantastic city) to find, as expected and forecast from 10 days out, spring has sprung in the UK. *)) Well it has got milder here, but on the other hand I have just woken up to what is looking like a fifth consecutive day of virtually no sunshine. This seems to be the theme this year, we have a couple of nice days, then we have to have a week of crap as a punishment. Yes, I agree it still does not feel spring like here (Southampton). Actually the most spring-like day recently was last Saturday, when we were still in the easterly and temperatures got to decent values due to the sunshine and little wind. Very reminiscent of an unpleasant day in February today, sadly. Really beginning to wonder if spring will ever arrive at this rate. This dull, sunless, bleak, lifeless, bland, anaemic month has done something quite remarkable: already beaten April 2012 by some measure for sheer unpleasantness. At least the former had more plant growth due to the warm March and actually resembled a bad spring month at least. This month just resembles a bad February. Nick Nick I have to say I can't remember the last time the landscape looked so bleak at this time of year. There are signs of spring, the daffs are mostly out as are the early spring flowers (e.g. primroses) but the trees and shrubs are still bare (although they are budding now). It is the latter that is mainly contributing to the bleakness. I can't exactly remember what it was like in 1986, but that seems to be the last time we had a "perfect storm" of cold late winter/early spring and dull, sunless mid to late spring. I certainly would not like this year to go the way of 1986. Spring and summer that year (according to old weather reports) lasted a mere six weeks, from around June 10 to July 20. Nick |
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On Thursday, 4 April 2013 08:48:32 UTC+1, wrote:
All over media weather forecasts I keep hearing about "relief" on the way with milder air. OK we will certainly lose the easterly but from the Midlands northwards is it really going to get much milder after we lose the sun and still stay in relatively deep cold air? I think not. I also heard today on R4 the presenter saying she is "looking forward" to the milder weather next week. What she does not realise is that in the south at least there is the potential for a lot of wind and rain and for the north more snow. I know this easterly is far too cold for many because of the low wet-bulb temperatures, but at least it is mainly bone dry and one can get out and do things, unless you have deep snow cover which the majority don't have. The one consolation for wet is that plant growth will start in eaernest and it won't rain all the time. I guess what a lot of people really want is a summery Azores high and we ain't going to get that, it is going to be a long process of warming up with the jet still way far south. Keep the expectation down, deep cold air will never be far away in the next two weeks. Will -- http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl) --------------------------------------------- Right there Will. I kept hearing of double figures in temps but it's a dull, miserable chilly day here in SE London. I was hoping to cut the grass. |
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On Sat, 13 Apr 2013, Lawrence13 wrote
On Thursday, 4 April 2013 08:48:32 UTC+1, wrote: All over media weather forecasts I keep hearing about "relief" on the way with milder air. OK we will certainly lose the easterly but from the Midlands northwards is it really going to get much milder after we lose the sun and still stay in relatively deep cold air? I think not. I also heard today on R4 the presenter saying she is "looking forward" to the milder weather next week. What she does not realise is that in the south at least there is the potential for a lot of wind and rain and for the north more snow. I know this easterly is far too cold for many because of the low wet-bulb temperatures, but at least it is mainly bone dry and one can get out and do things, unless you have deep snow cover which the majority don't have. The one consolation for wet is that plant growth will start in eaernest and it won't rain all the time. I guess what a lot of people really want is a summery Azores high and we ain't going to get that, it is going to be a long process of warming up with the jet still way far south. Keep the expectation down, deep cold air will never be far away in the next two weeks. Will -- http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl) --------------------------------------------- Right there Will. I kept hearing of double figures in temps but it's a dull, miserable chilly day here in SE London. I was hoping to cut the grass. Us too ![]() side of the Ravensbourne for a week now (ex Tuesday, which just dipped below 10C), and max today was 12.4C at 13:52. Is it colder up there on the heights of Sydenham? -- Kate B PS nospam means nospam. But umra at cockaigne dot org dot uk will get through! |
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