On Thursday, April 4, 2013 4:04:35 PM UTC+1, wrote:
"Dawlish" wrote in message

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On Thursday, April 4, 2013 2:51:16 PM UTC+1,

wrote:

"Dawlish" wrote in message



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The presenters are representing a *huge* majority of people in the UK

who



are sick of the cold for this winter. You aren't. It's as simple as

that.











Why do all your posts get personal?



Come on give us your scientific views on the latest situation and why?







Will



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Odd. You criticise the presenter for what you see as a failing in not

agreeing with your minority view about cold and I criticise you for

criticising the presenter's viewpoint which represents the *huge* majority

of that of the rest of the UK. Somehow, to you, that's personal.



What's the probability of disruption due to this coming change of pattern,

Will? Not the outside possibility of disruption, which is always there in

such a change and which is what most of your comments are about, but the

probability?



The ensembles certainly don't suggest anything particularly disruptive for

the vast majority of the UK over the next 10 days. but they do suggest

milder and the vast majority of people would swap this cold for what's

coming. The presenter was absolutely right in reflecting the country's

viewpoint. The possible rain and Atlantic-sourced winds certainly don't look

disruptive for most and it really will come as a *relief* to most people.

Not to you, but we all know that if it's not cold, you're not a happy bunny.

*))

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You're right I'm loving this *dry* weather. Don't care about the cold at

this time of year, it can even get warmer if it wants as long as it stays

*dry*. OK it's snowing up here now but the air still has a dry feel with low

wet-bulbs. Will heavy rain and wind really be a relief because that is what

could happen down here with 985hPa lows close by. And then there is the

renewed risk of flooding, it won't take much you know. And then there is the

risk of further heavy snow further north with sub -5C air predicted to hang

around. I fully expect yellow snow warnings to be issued early next week

after a fine weekend which I will enjoy, as it will be DRY.



Will

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Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)

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All I can say is "GOOD FOR YOU" and do enjoy, to echo your capitals. I will re-iterate that the vast majority of the country do not share your view about the cold and it really will be a *relief* to lose these easterlies.

Again, I know all about possibilities and we all do. I asked you for *probabilities* of disruption, as you brought that word up. You appear to have ignored that one. There are certainly possibilities of all sorts of disruptive weather; there always are in this set-up, but surely even you would agree that the probabilities of disruptive weather are pretty low during the next 10 days, as the pattern change sets in, except for very transitory snow for lowland areas during the change from cold continental to maritime air and potentially heavier snow over the hills where the yellow warnings are likely to be issued (I agree) over a couple of days. Following that, I expect most populated areas to have few difficulties through next week and next weekend and I expect a lot of people will have smiles on their faces and will be breathing sighs of *relief* as they step out into warmer, spring-like sunshine between the rain-bands and the showers - just like presenters are apparently saying they will.

I don't think my forecast for next Thursday will be far out; do you?

Nick wrote:

The problem IMO with the current setup in the S and SE at least is the
persistent dullness, combined with the spartan and sterile look of the
countryside compared to normal. Tuesday was actually nice - sunny all
day - but it only lasted one day.
I'll take anything which means brighter conditions, even if it comes
with showers - though dull, cyclonic gloom would I suspect be even
worse than we have now.

At least I've got the sunshine up here, max of 7.8°C here today.
In the sun and out of the wind, that feels OK. It *is* only early
April of course.
It's also very dry here. At first I thought the grass just had that
pale and washed out look you normally get at the end of winter
but it has now taken on something of a 'parched' appearance
normally associated with a long dry spell in summer.

Don't know whether it's the cold or the dry that's doing this,
probably a bit of both. The last precipitation of any note
was 22nd/23rd march which gave 14cm snowfall and if we
equate that to 14mm rain that's a resonable fall. I just wonder
how much of that actually made it's way into the ground. I reckon
quite a lot simply evaporated in the sun and the drying winds.
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Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

Eskimo Will wrote:
All over media weather forecasts I keep hearing about "relief" on the
way with milder air.

Sometimes it's more about what they *don't* say then what they
do say. Peter Gibbs on the 6.30 forecast was asked if the cold
weather was finally going but didn't commit himself, merely saying
that this was 'the winter that wouldn't go away'.

Local news just admitted to 'backpedalling' and said the milder
weather might not make it till the end of next week.
That's a week off, and like politics, a week is a long time in
weather forecasting

To be honest if it stays as it is now with temps of 7/8°C a
good deal of sun, dry and that damn wind doesn't pick up
it's perfectly agreeable. 20°C can wait!
It's the windy sub 5°C days with not much sun that I was getting
at the start of last week that were getting seriously tiresome.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

On Thursday, April 4, 2013 8:48:32 AM UTC+1, wrote:
All over media weather forecasts I keep hearing about "relief" on the way

with milder air.

"Relief" I think is the word most people would use, don't you?


OK we will certainly lose the easterly but from the Midlands northwards is

it really going to get much milder after we lose the sun and still stay in

relatively deep cold air? I think not.

Fortunately it has.

I also heard today on R4 the

presenter saying she is "looking forward" to the milder weather next week.

What she does not realise is that in the south at least there is the

potential for a lot of wind and rain and for the north more snow.

I know

this easterly is far too cold for many because of the low wet-bulb

temperatures, but at least it is mainly bone dry and one can get out and do

things, unless you have deep snow cover which the majority don't have. The

one consolation for wet is that plant growth will start in eaernest and it

won't rain all the time.

I guess what a lot of people really want is a summery Azores high and we

ain't going to get that, it is going to be a long process of warming up with

the jet still way far south. Keep the expectation down, deep cold air will

never be far away in the next two weeks.



Will

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Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)

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"Relief" I think is the word.

Just got back from a week in Rome (18C, sunshine every day; a beautiful Roman spring and what a fantastic city) to find, as expected and forecast from 10 days out, spring has sprung in the UK. *))

On 13/04/13 07:10, Dawlish wrote:
On Thursday, April 4, 2013 8:48:32 AM UTC+1, wrote:
All over media weather forecasts I keep hearing about "relief" on the way

with milder air.

"Relief" I think is the word most people would use, don't you?


OK we will certainly lose the easterly but from the Midlands northwards is

it really going to get much milder after we lose the sun and still stay in

relatively deep cold air? I think not.

Fortunately it has.

I also heard today on R4 the

presenter saying she is "looking forward" to the milder weather next week.

What she does not realise is that in the south at least there is the

potential for a lot of wind and rain and for the north more snow.

I know

this easterly is far too cold for many because of the low wet-bulb

temperatures, but at least it is mainly bone dry and one can get out and do

things, unless you have deep snow cover which the majority don't have. The

one consolation for wet is that plant growth will start in eaernest and it

won't rain all the time.

I guess what a lot of people really want is a summery Azores high and we

ain't going to get that, it is going to be a long process of warming up with

the jet still way far south. Keep the expectation down, deep cold air will

never be far away in the next two weeks.



Will

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http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm

Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)

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"Relief" I think is the word.

Just got back from a week in Rome (18C, sunshine every day; a beautiful Roman spring and what a fantastic city) to find, as expected and forecast from 10 days out, spring has sprung in the UK. *))

Well it has got milder here, but on the other hand I have just woken up
to what is looking like a fifth consecutive day of virtually no sunshine.

This seems to be the theme this year, we have a couple of nice days,
then we have to have a week of crap as a punishment.

On Apr 13, 8:29*am, Adam Lea wrote:
On 13/04/13 07:10, Dawlish wrote:









On Thursday, April 4, 2013 8:48:32 AM UTC+1, wrote:
All over media weather forecasts I keep hearing about "relief" on the way

with milder air.

"Relief" I think is the word most people would use, don't you?

OK we will certainly lose the easterly but from the Midlands northwards is

it really going to get much milder after we lose the sun and still stay in

relatively deep cold air? I think not.

Fortunately it has.

I also heard today on R4 the

presenter saying she is "looking forward" to the milder weather next week.

What she does not realise is that in the south at least there is the

potential for a lot of wind and rain and for the north more snow.

I know

this easterly is far too cold for many because of the low wet-bulb

temperatures, but at least it is mainly bone dry and one can get out and do

things, unless you have deep snow cover which the majority don't have. The

one consolation for wet is that plant growth will start in eaernest and it

won't rain all the time.

I guess what a lot of people really want is a summery Azores high and we

ain't going to get that, it is going to be a long process of warming up with

the jet still way far south. Keep the expectation down, deep cold air will

never be far away in the next two weeks.

Will

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http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm

Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)

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"Relief" I think is the word.

Just got back from a week in Rome (18C, sunshine every day; a beautiful Roman spring and what a fantastic city) to find, as expected and forecast from 10 days out, spring has sprung in the UK. *))

Well it has got milder here, but on the other hand I have just woken up
to what is looking like a fifth consecutive day of virtually no sunshine.

This seems to be the theme this year, we have a couple of nice days,
then we have to have a week of crap as a punishment.

Yes, I agree it still does not feel spring like here (Southampton).
Actually the most spring-like day recently was last Saturday, when we
were still in the easterly and temperatures got to decent values due
to the sunshine and little wind.

Very reminiscent of an unpleasant day in February today, sadly. Really
beginning to wonder if spring will ever arrive at this rate. This
dull, sunless, bleak, lifeless, bland, anaemic month has done
something quite remarkable: already beaten April 2012 by some measure
for sheer unpleasantness. At least the former had more plant growth
due to the warm March and actually resembled a bad spring month at
least. This month just resembles a bad February.

Nick

Nick

On 13/04/13 11:19, Nick wrote:
On Apr 13, 8:29 am, Adam wrote:
On 13/04/13 07:10, Dawlish wrote:









On Thursday, April 4, 2013 8:48:32 AM UTC+1, wrote:
All over media weather forecasts I keep hearing about "relief" on the way

with milder air.

"Relief" I think is the word most people would use, don't you?

OK we will certainly lose the easterly but from the Midlands northwards is

it really going to get much milder after we lose the sun and still stay in

relatively deep cold air? I think not.

Fortunately it has.

I also heard today on R4 the

presenter saying she is "looking forward" to the milder weather next week.

What she does not realise is that in the south at least there is the

potential for a lot of wind and rain and for the north more snow.

I know

this easterly is far too cold for many because of the low wet-bulb

temperatures, but at least it is mainly bone dry and one can get out and do

things, unless you have deep snow cover which the majority don't have. The

one consolation for wet is that plant growth will start in eaernest and it

won't rain all the time.

I guess what a lot of people really want is a summery Azores high and we

ain't going to get that, it is going to be a long process of warming up with

the jet still way far south. Keep the expectation down, deep cold air will

never be far away in the next two weeks.

Will

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http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm

Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)

---------------------------------------------

"Relief" I think is the word.

Just got back from a week in Rome (18C, sunshine every day; a beautiful Roman spring and what a fantastic city) to find, as expected and forecast from 10 days out, spring has sprung in the UK. *))

Well it has got milder here, but on the other hand I have just woken up
to what is looking like a fifth consecutive day of virtually no sunshine.

This seems to be the theme this year, we have a couple of nice days,
then we have to have a week of crap as a punishment.

Yes, I agree it still does not feel spring like here (Southampton).
Actually the most spring-like day recently was last Saturday, when we
were still in the easterly and temperatures got to decent values due
to the sunshine and little wind.

Very reminiscent of an unpleasant day in February today, sadly. Really
beginning to wonder if spring will ever arrive at this rate. This
dull, sunless, bleak, lifeless, bland, anaemic month has done
something quite remarkable: already beaten April 2012 by some measure
for sheer unpleasantness. At least the former had more plant growth
due to the warm March and actually resembled a bad spring month at
least. This month just resembles a bad February.

Nick

Nick

I have to say I can't remember the last time the landscape looked so
bleak at this time of year.

There are signs of spring, the daffs are mostly out as are the early
spring flowers (e.g. primroses) but the trees and shrubs are still bare
(although they are budding now). It is the latter that is mainly
contributing to the bleakness.

On Apr 13, 1:55*pm, Adam Lea wrote:
On 13/04/13 11:19, Nick wrote:









On Apr 13, 8:29 am, Adam *wrote:
On 13/04/13 07:10, Dawlish wrote:

On Thursday, April 4, 2013 8:48:32 AM UTC+1, wrote:
All over media weather forecasts I keep hearing about "relief" on the way

with milder air.

"Relief" I think is the word most people would use, don't you?

OK we will certainly lose the easterly but from the Midlands northwards is

it really going to get much milder after we lose the sun and still stay in

relatively deep cold air? I think not.

Fortunately it has.

I also heard today on R4 the

presenter saying she is "looking forward" to the milder weather next week.

What she does not realise is that in the south at least there is the

potential for a lot of wind and rain and for the north more snow.

I know

this easterly is far too cold for many because of the low wet-bulb

temperatures, but at least it is mainly bone dry and one can get out and do

things, unless you have deep snow cover which the majority don't have. The

one consolation for wet is that plant growth will start in eaernest and it

won't rain all the time.

I guess what a lot of people really want is a summery Azores high and we

ain't going to get that, it is going to be a long process of warming up with

the jet still way far south. Keep the expectation down, deep cold air will

never be far away in the next two weeks.

Will

--

http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm

Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)

---------------------------------------------

"Relief" I think is the word.

Just got back from a week in Rome (18C, sunshine every day; a beautiful Roman spring and what a fantastic city) to find, as expected and forecast from 10 days out, spring has sprung in the UK. *))

Well it has got milder here, but on the other hand I have just woken up
to what is looking like a fifth consecutive day of virtually no sunshine.

This seems to be the theme this year, we have a couple of nice days,
then we have to have a week of crap as a punishment.

Yes, I agree it still does not feel spring like here (Southampton).
Actually the most spring-like day recently was last Saturday, when we
were still in the easterly and temperatures got to decent values due
to the sunshine and little wind.

Very reminiscent of an unpleasant day in February today, sadly. Really
beginning to wonder if spring will ever arrive at this rate. This
dull, sunless, bleak, lifeless, bland, anaemic month has done
something quite remarkable: already beaten April 2012 by some measure
for sheer unpleasantness. At least the former had more plant growth
due to the warm March and actually resembled a bad spring month at
least. This month just resembles a bad February.

Nick

Nick

I have to say I can't remember the last time the landscape looked so
bleak at this time of year.

There are signs of spring, the daffs are mostly out as are the early
spring flowers (e.g. primroses) but the trees and shrubs are still bare
(although they are budding now). It is the latter that is mainly
contributing to the bleakness.

I can't exactly remember what it was like in 1986, but that seems to
be the last time we had a "perfect storm" of cold late winter/early
spring and dull, sunless mid to late spring.
I certainly would not like this year to go the way of 1986. Spring and
summer that year (according to old weather reports) lasted a mere six
weeks, from around June 10 to July 20.

Nick

On Thursday, 4 April 2013 08:48:32 UTC+1, wrote:
All over media weather forecasts I keep hearing about "relief" on the way

with milder air.

OK we will certainly lose the easterly but from the Midlands northwards is

it really going to get much milder after we lose the sun and still stay in

relatively deep cold air? I think not. I also heard today on R4 the

presenter saying she is "looking forward" to the milder weather next week.

What she does not realise is that in the south at least there is the

potential for a lot of wind and rain and for the north more snow. I know

this easterly is far too cold for many because of the low wet-bulb

temperatures, but at least it is mainly bone dry and one can get out and do

things, unless you have deep snow cover which the majority don't have. The

one consolation for wet is that plant growth will start in eaernest and it

won't rain all the time.

I guess what a lot of people really want is a summery Azores high and we

ain't going to get that, it is going to be a long process of warming up with

the jet still way far south. Keep the expectation down, deep cold air will

never be far away in the next two weeks.



Will

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http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm

Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)

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Right there Will. I kept hearing of double figures in temps but it's a dull, miserable chilly day here in SE London. I was hoping to cut the grass.

On Sat, 13 Apr 2013, Lawrence13 wrote
On Thursday, 4 April 2013 08:48:32 UTC+1, wrote:
All over media weather forecasts I keep hearing about "relief" on the way

with milder air.

OK we will certainly lose the easterly but from the Midlands northwards is

it really going to get much milder after we lose the sun and still stay in

relatively deep cold air? I think not. I also heard today on R4 the

presenter saying she is "looking forward" to the milder weather next week.

What she does not realise is that in the south at least there is the

potential for a lot of wind and rain and for the north more snow. I know

this easterly is far too cold for many because of the low wet-bulb

temperatures, but at least it is mainly bone dry and one can get out and do

things, unless you have deep snow cover which the majority don't have. The

one consolation for wet is that plant growth will start in eaernest and it

won't rain all the time.

I guess what a lot of people really want is a summery Azores high and we

ain't going to get that, it is going to be a long process of warming up with

the jet still way far south. Keep the expectation down, deep cold air will

never be far away in the next two weeks.



Will

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http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm

Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)

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Right there Will. I kept hearing of double figures in temps but it's a
dull, miserable chilly day here in SE London. I was hoping to cut the
grass.

Us too But we have had double figure max temps here on the other
side of the Ravensbourne for a week now (ex Tuesday, which just dipped
below 10C), and max today was 12.4C at 13:52. Is it colder up there on
the heights of Sydenham?


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