Hi

Personally I like John Hammond, but a max of 27°C is not hot in my humble opinion, very warm yes, but not hot. What happens when we get a max of 30 or 32°C is that classed as very hot to distinguish it from just hot? Personally I think the classification of a day as "hot" should start with a maximum of at least 32°C (the old 90°F) and not until then, because if you don't, then what happens when another 2003 comes along with a max of 38.5°C we just run out of superlatives. The same thing happens in winter with minimum temperatures but don't get me going on that one...

This reminds me of the scene from the BBC comedy "The Vicar of Dibley" when they were discussing the "Great Storm" or should that be "Great Wind", but I digress...

One final thing whilst I'm at it...

If they are any TV Weather presenters mulling through these postings, please, please could you file the phrase "we've got high pressure firmly in charge" under "Over used cliches" and leave it there!

Bruce.

On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 10:31:33 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Personally I like John Hammond, but a max of 27°C is not hot in my
humble opinion, very warm yes, but not hot.

To you maybe, to me 27 C is most definately hot, if not very hot. Hot
starts coming in at around 23 C.

The same thing happens in winter with minimum temperatures but don't get
me going on that one...

And I expect you feel "cold" comes in at 5 C and very cold anything
sub zero. To me cold doesn't come in until about -3 C and very cold
closer to -10 C.

It's all a case of what you are accustomed to. At 1400' on the North
Pennines I'm accustomed to some what lower temperatures than some one
at sea level in the south. Indeed it can be unbearable dropping down
to lower levels like Penrith, Carlisle or Hexham in the summer and
blessed relief to get back home.

--
Cheers Dave.
Nr Garrigill, Cumbria. 421m ASL.

Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 10:31:33 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Personally I like John Hammond, but a max of 27°C is not hot in my
humble opinion, very warm yes, but not hot.

To you maybe, to me 27 C is most definately hot, if not very hot. Hot
starts coming in at around 23 C.

The same thing happens in winter with minimum temperatures but don't
get me going on that one...

And I expect you feel "cold" comes in at 5 C and very cold anything
sub zero. To me cold doesn't come in until about -3 C and very cold
closer to -10 C.

It's all a case of what you are accustomed to. At 1400' on the North
Pennines I'm accustomed to some what lower temperatures than some one
at sea level in the south. Indeed it can be unbearable dropping down
to lower levels like Penrith, Carlisle or Hexham in the summer and
blessed relief to get back home.

Agreed entirely.
It's all down to what you are used to. 27C may not be particularly
high for the south but it most definately ranks as 'hot' to me.
I'd say hot starts at 25C.
If hot begins at 32C then hot days would be almost non-existant here.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

On 05/07/13 23:38, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 10:31:33 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Personally I like John Hammond, but a max of 27°C is not hot in my
humble opinion, very warm yes, but not hot.

To you maybe, to me 27 C is most definately hot, if not very hot. Hot
starts coming in at around 23 C.

The same thing happens in winter with minimum temperatures but don't get
me going on that one...

And I expect you feel "cold" comes in at 5 C and very cold anything
sub zero. To me cold doesn't come in until about -3 C and very cold
closer to -10 C.

It's all a case of what you are accustomed to. At 1400' on the North
Pennines I'm accustomed to some what lower temperatures than some one
at sea level in the south. Indeed it can be unbearable dropping down
to lower levels like Penrith, Carlisle or Hexham in the summer and
blessed relief to get back home.

--
Cheers Dave.
Nr Garrigill, Cumbria. 421m ASL.



For me, 30C is roughly the boundary between warm and hot. It does depend
on the humidity as well, 30C with low humidity for example is very
tolerable. 35C would be very hot.

In winter, cold for me would be a daytime max of = 4C, with very cold
being an ice day. Anything below about -4C at night would be classed as
a cold night, with below about -7C being very cold, and below -10C would
be bitterly cold. Again it will depend somewhat on the weather at the
time. -5C during the day won't feel that cold in sunshine and still air
wearing a dark coat.

Adam Lea wrote:

On 05/07/13 23:38, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 10:31:33 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

Personally I like John Hammond, but a max of 27°C is not hot in my
humble opinion, very warm yes, but not hot.

To you maybe, to me 27 C is most definately hot, if not very hot. Hot
starts coming in at around 23 C.

The same thing happens in winter with minimum temperatures but don't get
me going on that one...

And I expect you feel "cold" comes in at 5 C and very cold anything
sub zero. To me cold doesn't come in until about -3 C and very cold
closer to -10 C.

It's all a case of what you are accustomed to. At 1400' on the North
Pennines I'm accustomed to some what lower temperatures than some one
at sea level in the south. Indeed it can be unbearable dropping down
to lower levels like Penrith, Carlisle or Hexham in the summer and
blessed relief to get back home.

--
Cheers Dave.
Nr Garrigill, Cumbria. 421m ASL.



For me, 30C is roughly the boundary between warm and hot. It does depend on
the humidity as well, 30C with low humidity for example is very tolerable.
35C would be very hot.

In winter, cold for me would be a daytime max of = 4C, with very cold being
an ice day. Anything below about -4C at night would be classed as a cold
night, with below about -7C being very cold, and below -10C would be bitterly
cold. Again it will depend somewhat on the weather at the time. -5C during
the day won't feel that cold in sunshine and still air wearing a dark coat.


These descritive terms used to have very strict definitions in the Met Office
based on number of degrees above/below average so the thresholds were
site-specific. Not sure if those definitions are still used today.

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.

On 7 Jul 2013 16:02:00 GMT
"Norman" wrote:

These descritive terms used to have very strict definitions in the
Met Office based on number of degrees above/below average so the
thresholds were site-specific. Not sure if those definitions are
still used today.

I don't know when they were dropped but I reckon it's been a decade or
more judging by the nonsense I've heard on radio and TV for during that
time. Anyway, the Met Office doesn't care about the standard of
presentation on the BBC.

--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks.
A lot of care homes use computer games to keep their residents
physically active. That's why old people smell of wii.
[https://twitter.com/BridgetandJoan]

On 05/07/2013 18:31, wrote:
Hi

Personally I like John Hammond, but a max of 27°C is not hot in my humble opinion

To me, anything over 80F *is* hot.

, very warm yes,
but not hot. What happens when we get a max of 30 or 32°C is that
classed as very hot to distinguish
it from just hot? Personally I think the classification of a day as
"hot" should start with a
maximum of at least 32°C (the old 90°F) and not until then, because if
you don't, then what
happens when another 2003 comes along with a max of 38.5°C we just run
out of superlatives.

I just use 'too f**king hot!'.

--
Regards,

Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

On Saturday, 6 July 2013 07:41:15 UTC+1, vidcapper wrote:

I just use 'too f**king hot!'. --

Regards, Paul Hyett, Cheltenham

Disgraceful; the word is kinnot mate. :-) This lady is even more sweet-tongued:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlMWW4R1ZBM

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.

On Fri, 5 Jul 2013 10:31:33 -0700 (PDT)
wrote:

Personally I like John Hammond, but a max of 27°C is not hot in my
humble opinion, very warm yes, but not hot. What happens when we get
a max of 30 or 32°C is that classed as very hot to distinguish it
from just hot? Personally I think the classification of a day as
"hot" should start with a maximum of at least 32°C (the old 90°F) and
not until then, because if you don't, then what happens when another
2003 comes along with a max of 38.5°C we just run out of
superlatives. The same thing happens in winter with minimum
temperatures but don't get me going on that one...

As I've said before - many, many times - I wish the old system of
fixed words and phrases still applied. I don't have the list as it
stood when the Met Office dropped it in favour of their forecasters
using subjective terms which are often misleading.

Here's how it stood in 1956:

Summer
[Mid May to mid September]
Very Hot - More than 20F above normal
Hot - 16-20F above normal
Very warm - 11-15F above normal
Warm - 6-10F above normal
Rather warm - 3-5F above normal
Rather cool - 3-5F below normal
Cool - 6-9F below normal
Very cool - 10-15F below normal
Cold - More than 15F below normal

So 'hot' for July would have been 9-11C above normal, or 31-33C
assuming normal for hereabouts to be 22C. 27C would be 5C above normal
and would fall into the 'warm' bracket, not even 'very warm' let alone
'hot'.

--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks.
A lot of care homes use computer games to keep their residents
physically active. That's why old people smell of wii.
[https://twitter.com/BridgetandJoan]

I'd go for
30ºC - hot
20ºC - warm
10ºC - cool
0ºC - cold
-10ºC - perishing

and you could interpolate 'very' at some of the midpoints

35ºC - very hot
25ºC - very warm
5ºC - very cool
-5ºC - very cold

Anne