On 30/11/2013 23:22, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Saturday, 30 November 2013 23:09:39 UTC, wrote:
On 30/11/2013 20:48, Dave Cornwell wrote:

Lawrence Jenkins wrote:

On Saturday, 30 November 2013 19:13:59 UTC, Adam Lea wrote:

On 30/11/2013 14:57, Dave Cornwell wrote:



Jim Cannon wrote:

Thanks Keith. Before July I also noticed the similarities with 1962 -

but then July proved warm and sunny, completely unlike the wet, cold

and miserable summer of 1962. Obviously November has reverted to

'being like 1962'... Who knows - another 1963 style winter could

happen but on past form the chance is 1 per cent.

1987 is obviously my yardstick for cold in my lifetime - but I can

remember the midnight forecast on R4 all those years ago predicting

10C for Saunton Sands - while East Anglia stayed below freezing

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It's right up there. Being older of course I have 1963 but 1987 was

something worthy of an Express headline.





Am i right in assuming that Jan 1987 was more severe (in terms of low

temperatures and snow depth) than Jan 2010. Was the significant snow as

widespread as Jan 2010?



In the SE Adam it was far more significant than ever December 2010 in

terms of depth and longevity . In fact serious cold snowy spells in

the SE going back purely from memory.



1997

1991

1989

1088

1985

81/82 pre Christmas

78/79

Christmas 1970

62/63



Plus other falls that are hazy unless I look them up.

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22 years on and William had another battle with the 1088 winter :-)



Just proves that Larry is has old as as old as methuselah ;-)



Did you see the Day of the Doctor last week Larry?


Hey you cheeky sod, I've just turned 61 and I'm as fit as a fiddle a Stradivarius in fact. How old is that?


I'm 9 years younger than you :-P

On Sunday, 1 December 2013 00:19:11 UTC, wrote:
On 30/11/2013 23:22, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:

On Saturday, 30 November 2013 23:09:39 UTC, wrote:

On 30/11/2013 20:48, Dave Cornwell wrote:



Lawrence Jenkins wrote:



On Saturday, 30 November 2013 19:13:59 UTC, Adam Lea wrote:



On 30/11/2013 14:57, Dave Cornwell wrote:







Jim Cannon wrote:



Thanks Keith. Before July I also noticed the similarities with 1962 -



but then July proved warm and sunny, completely unlike the wet, cold



and miserable summer of 1962. Obviously November has reverted to



'being like 1962'... Who knows - another 1963 style winter could



happen but on past form the chance is 1 per cent.



1987 is obviously my yardstick for cold in my lifetime - but I can



remember the midnight forecast on R4 all those years ago predicting



10C for Saunton Sands - while East Anglia stayed below freezing



-------------------------------------------------------------



It's right up there. Being older of course I have 1963 but 1987 was



something worthy of an Express headline.











Am i right in assuming that Jan 1987 was more severe (in terms of low



temperatures and snow depth) than Jan 2010. Was the significant snow as



widespread as Jan 2010?







In the SE Adam it was far more significant than ever December 2010 in



terms of depth and longevity . In fact serious cold snowy spells in



the SE going back purely from memory.







1997



1991



1989



1088



1985



81/82 pre Christmas



78/79



Christmas 1970



62/63







Plus other falls that are hazy unless I look them up.



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22 years on and William had another battle with the 1088 winter :-)







Just proves that Larry is has old as as old as methuselah ;-)







Did you see the Day of the Doctor last week Larry?





Hey you cheeky sod, I've just turned 61 and I'm as fit as a fiddle a Stradivarius in fact. How old is that?





I'm 9 years younger than you :-P

Well a couple of weeks ago it was eight-so there.

On Saturday, 30 November 2013 19:13:59 UTC, Adam Lea wrote:


Am i right in assuming that Jan 1987 was more severe (in terms of low temperatures and snow depth) than Jan 2010. Was the significant snow as widespread as Jan 2010?


You certainly are as far as this place is concerned. On 12 Jan the min was -12.4°C follwed by a 12-hr max of -9.2°C with sunshine and a light wind. The 24-hr max was -8.9°C. In the evening it started snowing and continued for about 2 days, to a total level depth of 39 cm here. I don't think the snow was very widespread. There was much less in west Surrey but the North Downs in Kent got a monster dumping (over 3 feet) and Essex got quite a lot. No blizzard - force 4 max and mostly less. A short but very intense cold spell, with the snow all gone by the 24th.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, NE Surrey, 556 ft.

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Tudor Hughes writes:
On Saturday, 30 November 2013 19:13:59 UTC, Adam Lea wrote:


Am i right in assuming that Jan 1987 was more severe (in terms of
low temperatures and snow depth) than Jan 2010. Was the
significant snow as widespread as Jan 2010?

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You certainly are as far as this place is concerned. On 12 Jan
the min was -12.4°C follwed by a 12-hr max of -9.2°C with sunshine
and a light wind. The 24-hr max was -8.9°C. In the evening it
started snowing and continued for about 2 days, to a total level
depth of 39 cm here. I don't think the snow was very widespread.
There was much less in west Surrey

Even in Cranleigh in SW Surrey we got quite a dumping, which is very
unusual. The snow only lasted for the one night here, but there must
have been 25-30cm. We haven't had a single fall as heavy as that since,
and I'm not sure that I can remember one quite as heavy previously.

Surprisingly, the buses were running (they must have done a very good
job of gritting the roads), but when I arrived at the forecourt of
Guildford Station there was a railwayman telling everyone: "There are no
trains. We don't know when there will be any trains. We advise you to go
home." So I did.

but the North Downs in Kent got a monster dumping (over 3 feet)
and Essex got quite a lot. No blizzard - force 4 max and mostly
less.

There wasn't enough wind for any drifting that day, but I remember that
the wind got up enough the next day to cause some, even though it wasn't
actually snowing.

A short but very intense cold spell, with the snow all gone by the
24th.

Yep.
--
John Hall "He crams with cans of poisoned meat
The subjects of the King,
And when they die by thousands G.K.Chesterton:
Why, he laughs like anything." from "Song Against Grocers"

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Lawrence Jenkins writes:
John: For London it wasn't just a foggy spell it was 'the' foggy
spell and remarkably ten years after the 52 fog/smog. 62 smog/fog
was almost equal to 1952; since then we have never had another
spell quite like that. Probably the two worse post war and possibly
pre war fog/smog events in the twentieth century to date; for
London that is.

The good thing was that the 1962 fog resulted in a far smaller death
toll than in 1952, thanks to the "Clean Air" act starting to take
effect. Even though emissions of the nasty stuff hadn't yet ceased they
were much lower than 10 years previously.

Out her in rural Surrey I don't remember the 1962 fog as having been too
bad. (I was only four in 1952 and don't remember that fog at all.)
--
John Hall "He crams with cans of poisoned meat
The subjects of the King,
And when they die by thousands G.K.Chesterton:
Why, he laughs like anything." from "Song Against Grocers"

On Sunday, December 1, 2013 11:01:58 AM UTC, John Hall wrote:
In article ,

Lawrence Jenkins writes:

John: For London it wasn't just a foggy spell it was 'the' foggy

spell and remarkably ten years after the 52 fog/smog. 62 smog/fog

was almost equal to 1952; since then we have never had another

spell quite like that. Probably the two worse post war and possibly

pre war fog/smog events in the twentieth century to date; for

London that is.



The good thing was that the 1962 fog resulted in a far smaller death

toll than in 1952, thanks to the "Clean Air" act starting to take

effect. Even though emissions of the nasty stuff hadn't yet ceased they

were much lower than 10 years previously.



Out her in rural Surrey I don't remember the 1962 fog as having been too

bad. (I was only four in 1952 and don't remember that fog at all.)

--

John Hall "He crams with cans of poisoned meat

The subjects of the King,

And when they die by thousands G.K.Chesterton:

Why, he laughs like anything." from "Song Against Grocers"

In industrial Castleford it was appalling. Not fog, but nasty smelling smog, which necessitated scarves around one's mouth to attempt to strain the pollution out of it. I remember it very well, though I was very young. My parents were not able to get home to Pontefract on Christmas Eve 1962 and us all had to stay with an aunt and uncle. Only one prezzie on Christmas morning wasn't fun! Santa didn't know where I was and delivered them to Pontefract, of course!

If you stood in the middle of a 5m wide pavement, you could see neither the road, nor the walls of the terraces, the smog was that thick. The bus conductors were hanging out of the bus calling the distance from the kerb to the driver - before they stopped running, of course, leaying us stranded! We had great difficulty finding our way only 200m along the pavement to our relations' flat in that fog. By far the worst I've ever known and thank goodness we don't see the like of it any more.

On Sunday, 1 December 2013 15:52:40 UTC, Dawlish wrote:
On Sunday, December 1, 2013 11:01:58 AM UTC, John Hall wrote:

In article ,



Lawrence Jenkins writes:



John: For London it wasn't just a foggy spell it was 'the' foggy



spell and remarkably ten years after the 52 fog/smog. 62 smog/fog



was almost equal to 1952; since then we have never had another



spell quite like that. Probably the two worse post war and possibly



pre war fog/smog events in the twentieth century to date; for



London that is.







The good thing was that the 1962 fog resulted in a far smaller death



toll than in 1952, thanks to the "Clean Air" act starting to take



effect. Even though emissions of the nasty stuff hadn't yet ceased they



were much lower than 10 years previously.







Out her in rural Surrey I don't remember the 1962 fog as having been too



bad. (I was only four in 1952 and don't remember that fog at all.)



--



John Hall "He crams with cans of poisoned meat



The subjects of the King,



And when they die by thousands G.K.Chesterton:



Why, he laughs like anything." from "Song Against Grocers"



In industrial Castleford it was appalling. Not fog, but nasty smelling smog, which necessitated scarves around one's mouth to attempt to strain the pollution out of it. I remember it very well, though I was very young. My parents were not able to get home to Pontefract on Christmas Eve 1962 and us all had to stay with an aunt and uncle. Only one prezzie on Christmas morning wasn't fun! Santa didn't know where I was and delivered them to Pontefract, of course!



If you stood in the middle of a 5m wide pavement, you could see neither the road, nor the walls of the terraces, the smog was that thick. The bus conductors were hanging out of the bus calling the distance from the kerb to the driver - before they stopped running, of course, leaying us stranded! We had great difficulty finding our way only 200m along the pavement to our relations' flat in that fog. By far the worst I've ever known and thank goodness we don't see the like of it any more.


Blimey Paul. you are no spring chicken then?

As to the smog and fog : call me masochistic but I still love the stuff that feeling of enclosure when it came down with sunset late in a November early December was just wonderful.

I'm still trying to work out Dave's link to William -the *******......no not Dave , William the Horse chestnut
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You have a winter of 1088 in your list. Was that the winter of our
discontent?
Dave

On Monday, 2 December 2013 15:57:40 UTC, Dave Cornwell wrote:
I'm still trying to work out Dave's link to William -the *******......no not Dave , William the Horse chestnut ------------------------------------------ You have a winter of 1088 in your list. Was that the winter of our discontent? Dave

Nah that was Richard III much later around 1480.

Hold up a mo............ah...now I see yes 1088 I remember it well the year Odo had a go go.For him it was a no no.

Dawlish wrote:
On Sunday, December 1, 2013 11:01:58 AM UTC, John Hall wrote:
In industrial Castleford it was appalling. Not fog, but nasty
smelling smog, which necessitated scarves around one's mouth to
attempt to strain the pollution out of it. I remember it very well,
though I was very young. My parents were not able to get home to
Pontefract on Christmas Eve 1962 and us all had to stay with an aunt
and uncle. Only one prezzie on Christmas morning wasn't fun! Santa
didn't know where I was and delivered them to Pontefract, of course!

If you stood in the middle of a 5m wide pavement, you could see
neither the road, nor the walls of the terraces, the smog was that
thick. The bus conductors were hanging out of the bus calling the
distance from the kerb to the driver - before they stopped running,
of course, leaying us stranded! We had great difficulty finding our
way only 200m along the pavement to our relations' flat in that fog.
By far the worst I've ever known and thank goodness we don't see the
like of it any more.

From a meteorological point of view it would be fascinating to
experience, but beyond that it's just as well we don't get such
conditions anymore. It must have been highly unpleasant even for
the fit & healthy, but of course deadly for the old & vulnerable.
Thousands of 'excess deaths', but this is what the Clean Air Act
was introduced to tackle and now thankfully those days are long gone.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg