On Sunday, 9 February 2014 10:17:09 UTC+1, wrote:
On Sunday, 9 February 2014 00:03:16 UTC, Joe Egginton wrote:

Copied from UK.railway







Well to be accused of disinformation whilst repeating simple facts. My



point was simple really: someone maintains that the storms were due to



"global warming"/"climate change"/CAGW/greenhouse gases... I pointed out



the contrary and of course in uk.railway that's likely to ruffle a few



feathers because it is against the accepted dogma.







The problem is so bad with the lack of warming that the ideologues have



to invent imaginary heat sinks in the deep oceans in violation of the



laws of thermodynamics to explain the fact that the computer models have



never represented reality.







Periodically climate scientists come out with statements like "our



children won't know what snow is like" and there will be "20 million



climate refugees by 2010" to gin up enthusiasm and government grants.







Then there are heavily subsidised windmill farms that need 100% backup



with... diesel generators so the great British public spends three times



the real price of electricity.







It's a big con game.







David



Emerging "evidence" of man made climate change playing a PART not the WHOLE in weather events is starting to emerge see http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories...ateevents.html



The full paper can be downloaded from the article.

Except the sea wall at Dawlish has been destroyed by storms a number of times in the past.

What is unique about the destruction of the sea wall this time that makes you think CO2 plays a role?

And why the last decade was easily the warmest on record and why the two warmest years on record both fell into that decade and why current global temperatures are close to record values, despite ENSO neutral conditions and the PDO being negative and.........etc. etc. etc.

Most people will know my views on AGW, but blaming a few gales and a very wet winter on it are ludicrous. A few months ago the long run of quiet winter's was blamed on AGW (reduction of N-S temperature gradient etc.)

Interesting perspective here http://magicseaweed.com/news/the-50-year-storm/6070/

Also, in Penzance

E.g Gales in Penzance

1993 13
1994 14
1995 13
1996 16
1997 14
1998 22!
1999 15

then
2008 1
2009 4
2010 2
2012 2
2013 2
2014 5 so far

So which were due to AGW, 1993-1998, 2008-2013, or 2014? All apparently.

I believe global warming could become a serious problem but please step back a bit and get agrip of the bigger picture!

THere's plenty of s**t spoken, by people who should know better, on both sides of the argument

Graham
Penzance

On Sunday, 9 February 2014 08:14:36 UTC+1, Dawlish wrote:
On Sunday, February 9, 2014 12:03:16 AM UTC, Joe Egginton wrote:

Copied from UK.railway







Well to be accused of disinformation whilst repeating simple facts. My



point was simple really: someone maintains that the storms were due to



"global warming"/"climate change"/CAGW/greenhouse gases... I pointed out



the contrary and of course in uk.railway that's likely to ruffle a few



feathers because it is against the accepted dogma.







The problem is so bad with the lack of warming that the ideologues have



to invent imaginary heat sinks in the deep oceans in violation of the



laws of thermodynamics to explain the fact that the computer models have



never represented reality.







Periodically climate scientists come out with statements like "our



children won't know what snow is like" and there will be "20 million



climate refugees by 2010" to gin up enthusiasm and government grants.







Then there are heavily subsidised windmill farms that need 100% backup



with... diesel generators so the great British public spends three times



the real price of electricity.







It's a big con game.







David



And which scientist said it was? Oh, I see; copied from UK railway from someone with no qualifications called "David".



Another straw man used as disinformation by this far right-wing climate denier. As Adam said, it's just ********; not science.

I didnt think it would take this long for Garvey to get back to his usual form, whats it been, a month while he has been sucking up to people and trying to be nice?

Thing is, Garvey, it isnt about one scientist single statement about one storm, its about many scientists and many statements over many years that imply CO2 is responsible even if they dont come right out and say it.

"But all the evidence suggests there is a link to climate change,"


Now, down to the facts. The sea wall at Dawlish as been breached a number of times before. What is the evidence in this years breach she is talking about?

Is there a particular way it breached, a particular effect, pattern, anything at all that suggests CO2 is responsible?

On Sunday, 9 February 2014 10:17:09 UTC+1, wrote:
On Sunday, 9 February 2014 00:03:16 UTC, Joe Egginton wrote:

Copied from UK.railway







Well to be accused of disinformation whilst repeating simple facts. My



point was simple really: someone maintains that the storms were due to



"global warming"/"climate change"/CAGW/greenhouse gases... I pointed out



the contrary and of course in uk.railway that's likely to ruffle a few



feathers because it is against the accepted dogma.







The problem is so bad with the lack of warming that the ideologues have



to invent imaginary heat sinks in the deep oceans in violation of the



laws of thermodynamics to explain the fact that the computer models have



never represented reality.







Periodically climate scientists come out with statements like "our



children won't know what snow is like" and there will be "20 million



climate refugees by 2010" to gin up enthusiasm and government grants.







Then there are heavily subsidised windmill farms that need 100% backup



with... diesel generators so the great British public spends three times



the real price of electricity.







It's a big con game.







David



Emerging "evidence" of man made climate change playing a PART not the WHOLE in weather events is starting to emerge see http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories...ateevents.html



The full paper can be downloaded from the article.

What evidence? The wall at Dawlish has been breach before, Somerset floods, often. Where is the evidence of any correlation with CO2?

"A massive colloid period" is coming"
----------------------------------------------------
I imgagine all those fine particulates might cause some cooling ;-)

On 09/02/2014 09:35, Graham Easterling wrote:

Most people will know my views on AGW, but blaming a few gales and a very wet winter on it are ludicrous. A few months ago the long run of quiet winter's was blamed on AGW (reduction of N-S temperature gradient etc.)


This I agree with, after all, winter storminess over N Europe has been
in decline over the last 20 years, and there is no trend since about 1970.

One thing to note is that I think it is more the increased tendency of
the jet stream to get locked in place giving prolonged periods of one
weather type which has possibly been attributed to declining Arctic sea
ice. This can give both scenario's, constant mild and wet, or constant
cold, depending on where the jet stream is locked relative to the UK.
Will as said on UKWW that he thinks there has been a change in the UK
climate since about 2006, that the UK climate is losing its variability,
and prolonged weather regimes are now more likely. It will be
interesting to see if any research papers come out in the near future
which addresses what causes the jet stream to lock in place like is has
done this winter (and the 2012 summer).

On Sunday, February 9, 2014 9:35:20 AM UTC, Graham Easterling wrote:


And why the last decade was easily the warmest on record and why the two warmest years on record both fell into that decade and why current global temperatures are close to record values, despite ENSO neutral conditions and the PDO being negative and.........etc. etc. etc.



Most people will know my views on AGW, but blaming a few gales and a very wet winter on it are ludicrous.

Absolutely true and no-one has, except someone called "David" on UK.Railway.. A denier did the usual trick of using it as a straw man and another denier copied it to the newsgroup. That's how they try to spread disinformation. That's why it is important to stress the science and make sure these people are challenged robustly when they attempt this "s**t".

PS Like I say, attacks on me and others, showing these people up, only serve to show the paucity of denier "arguments". Hilarious really.

Graham

Penzance

On Sunday, February 9, 2014 10:48:35 AM UTC, Adam Lea wrote:
On 09/02/2014 09:35, Graham Easterling wrote:



Most people will know my views on AGW, but blaming a few gales and a very wet winter on it are ludicrous. A few months ago the long run of quiet winter's was blamed on AGW (reduction of N-S temperature gradient etc.)





This I agree with, after all, winter storminess over N Europe has been

in decline over the last 20 years, and there is no trend since about 1970.



One thing to note is that I think it is more the increased tendency of

the jet stream to get locked in place giving prolonged periods of one

weather type which has possibly been attributed to declining Arctic sea

ice. This can give both scenario's, constant mild and wet, or constant

cold, depending on where the jet stream is locked relative to the UK.

Will as said on UKWW that he thinks there has been a change in the UK

climate since about 2006, that the UK climate is losing its variability,

and prolonged weather regimes are now more likely. It will be

interesting to see if any research papers come out in the near future

which addresses what causes the jet stream to lock in place like is has

done this winter (and the 2012 summer).

Well said. However, Will's opinion is just that; an opinion. There is very little (no?) science to back it - yet.

Dullish, why are you such an ignorant pillock?

On Sunday, February 9, 2014 9:35:20 AM UTC, Graham Easterling wrote:


And why the last decade was easily the warmest on record and why the two warmest years on record both fell into that decade and why current global temperatures are close to record values, despite ENSO neutral conditions and the PDO being negative and.........etc. etc. etc.



Most people will know my views on AGW, but blaming a few gales and a very wet winter on it are ludicrous. A few months ago the long run of quiet winter's was blamed on AGW (reduction of N-S temperature gradient etc.)



Interesting perspective here http://magicseaweed.com/news/the-50-year-storm/6070/



Also, in Penzance



E.g Gales in Penzance



1993 13

1994 14

1995 13

1996 16

1997 14

1998 22!

1999 15



then

2008 1

2009 4

2010 2

2012 2

2013 2

2014 5 so far



So which were due to AGW, 1993-1998, 2008-2013, or 2014? All apparently.



I believe global warming could become a serious problem but please step back a bit and get agrip of the bigger picture!



THere's plenty of s**t spoken, by people who should know better, on both sides of the argument



Graham

Penzance
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Well said Graham.

Len
Wembury
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