On Tuesday, 18 February 2014 00:38:06 UTC, Alastair wrote:
"Tudor Hughes" wrote in message

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Since when has Dawlish been Lawrence's sock puppet and even more

inexplicably, since when has he been an AGW denier. You may not like his

style but on this subject he talks sense.



Dawlish conducts those ridiculous "You're wrong. No, you're wrong arguments"

with Lawrence which persuade the neutrals that there is a debate and that it

is futile. Vidcapper has blocked them. This is just what the fossil fuel

companies want. Their cry is "Doubt is our product."

http://global.oup.com/academic/produ...-9780195300673



I suspect that Lawrence has been planted here by those right wing US think

tanks (Stink tanks for short). He disappeared during the US Election, has

contacts in the Met Office, and says he works for a politally motivated

organisation. And his technique of continually posting anti-AGW propoganda

hs the effect of creating the sense that there is no smoke without fire.

Dawlish plays along with him, using ad hominem agruments and generally

making the pro-AGW side look ugly. I suspect he too is in the pay of the

Stink tanks. Now Lawrence has been rumbled, matt_sykes has appeared.





The fundamentalists are not all on one side, you know. While the deniers

cannot be argued with because it's a religion for them, or at least a

convenience, there are those of the Green persuasion who will

unjustifiably attribute every episode of bad weather to AGW.



Yes, but one bad greenie does not prove AGW is not happeneing, anymore that

one hot day does.



I think Graham Easterling may have something to say on this. From his

own measurements over a long period he has stated that storminess in the

last 20 years has been quite low. This has to be set against the current

episode. So has AGW had a hand in this latest stuff?



You can't use storms in one county to tell whether AGW is happening. Nor can

use the fact that the numer of storms has decreased to predict what will

happen with them in the future. Just as in that other chaotic science,

Economics, with climate change past performance is no guide to the future.



I'm not an AGW denier, BTW. There is a strong human contribution to the

warming. But does it cause stormy weather? May do. I've no idea.



The scientists are saying AGW will lead to more extreme events. We are

having more extreme events starting with Boscastle, and including

Workington. The recent flooding shows that the scientists were correct. BTW,

the previous Thames flooding in 1947 was due to snow melt not rainfall. The

snow had accumulated during the winter and then melted in a few weeks. The

effect was of two months precipitation, just like now.



BTW, I have blocked Dawlish, but I saw on Google Groups that he is still

going on about cold radiation. What does he call the black body radiation

emitted by cirrus clouds which form at a temperature 200 K?



Cheers, Alastair.


Alastair

The contact in the met office was someone from here and it was the odd email not a major revelation.

I work for an organisation that purports to be very politically correct in the private sector and as for disappearing during the US elections bloody hell I don't even have a current passport which I must renew for me bus pass. LOL.

Alastair it's just that I see very often fold getting carried away with a religious zeal over all sorts when the facts don't always hold up to the light of scrutiny. You are adding 2+2 and getting 5.2.

Matt Sykes I don't know only that I saw he was a regular on alt.global warming where I was told to shove off to by group members here when I kept going on about things.

You're not an Alex Salmond supporter by any chance , are you?

On Tuesday, 18 February 2014 15:48:25 UTC, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Tuesday, 18 February 2014 02:25:23 UTC, Tudor Hughes wrote: On Tuesday, 18 February 2014 00:38:06 UTC, Alastair wrote: I suspect that Lawrence has been planted here by those right wing US think tanks (Stink tanks for short). He disappeared during the US Election, has contacts in the Met Office, and says he works for a politally motivated organisation. And his technique of continually posting anti-AGW propoganda hs the effect of creating the sense that there is no smoke without fire. Dawlish plays along with him, using ad hominem agruments and generally making the pro-AGW side look ugly. I suspect he too is in the pay of the Stink tanks. Cheers, Alastair.

I can't make the slightest sense of what you've written. AFAIK, Lawrence works for the GLC (I have met him) and the political leaning he refers to is leftist, though with Boris now in charge that may be a difficult view to sustain. As to Dawlish being his accomplice I don't know where to begin. Nothing Dawlish has ever written suggests that he is an anti-AGW campaigner. It would take a committed conspiracy theorist to come to that conclusion.. You make the McCarthyists look positively laid-back. Are you on something? Is this all a huge joke? Am I a bit slow on the uptake? You don't strike me as a flippant individual.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey. Bloody hell Tudor, two pints and its all a blur. I never said I worked for the GLC -which of course has now gone. Wished I did though would have had a pension like you weather people.

Sorry if I've misrepresented you, Lawrie though it's not as if I've called you an Arsenal supporter or something equally defamatory. I don't get a pension from the Met Office, BTW but I do get one from those disgusting carbon-mongers known as BP. They are rather good employers.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.

"Joe Egginton" wrote in message
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On 18/02/2014 00:38, Alastair McDonald wrote:

Alastair, you'll regret writing that load of tripe when you wake up in the
morning with a hang over.

Well, I am awake now with no hangover and no regrets!

Tudor says Larry works for the GLC but that was abolished in 1986 by Maggie.
There goes that alibi. Anyway, if he walks like a duck and quacks like a
duck ...

The only way Dawlish could behave as he does is if he wants to
dissuade pople from tackling AGW. These Stink tanks have oodles of money.
The Koch brothers alone have an estimated income of $100,000,000,000
per year from their oil refineries. And they don't play by same rules as the
IPCC or even Greenpeace. If Larry and Dawlish are just fools, OK, but
people should know that there are still a lot of well funded organisation in
the USA who are willing to play every dirty trick in the book to prevent any
action being taken to curb the use of fossil fuels.

Cheers, Alastair.

"Lawrence Jenkins" wrote in message

The contact in the met office was someone from here and it was the odd
email not a major revelation.

I work for an organisation that purports to be very politically correct in
the private sector and as for disappearing during the US elections
bloody hell I don't even have a current passport which I must renew for
me bus pass. LOL.

You don't have to travel to the US to spread propaganda there. You can post
to the US using the Internet these days. Don't tell me you didn't know that
:-)

Alastair it's just that I see very often fold getting carried away with a
religious zeal over all sorts when the facts don't always hold up to the
light of scrutiny. You are adding 2+2 and getting 5.2.

Shouln't that be 42?

Matt Sykes I don't know only that I saw he was a regular on alt.global
warming where I was told to shove off to by group members here when I kept
going on about things.

Well alt.global-warming has been well and truly over run by deniers from the
Stink tanks. I guess he has been redirected here.

You're not an Alex Salmond supporter by any chance , are you?

What that fishy bloke? I reckon he is past his sell by date.

Cheers, Alastair.

On Tuesday, 18 February 2014 23:22:42 UTC, Alastair wrote:
"Lawrence Jenkins" wrote in message



The contact in the met office was someone from here and it was the odd

email not a major revelation.



I work for an organisation that purports to be very politically correct in

the private sector and as for disappearing during the US elections

bloody hell I don't even have a current passport which I must renew for

me bus pass. LOL.



You don't have to travel to the US to spread propaganda there. You can post

to the US using the Internet these days. Don't tell me you didn't know that

:-)



Alastair it's just that I see very often fold getting carried away with a

religious zeal over all sorts when the facts don't always hold up to the

light of scrutiny. You are adding 2+2 and getting 5.2.



Shouln't that be 42?



Matt Sykes I don't know only that I saw he was a regular on alt.global

warming where I was told to shove off to by group members here when I kept

going on about things.



Well alt.global-warming has been well and truly over run by deniers from the

Stink tanks. I guess he has been redirected here.



You're not an Alex Salmond supporter by any chance , are you?



What that fishy bloke? I reckon he is past his sell by date.



Cheers, Alastair.

Alastair the reason I met up with Tudor several years ago was one I obviously had seen Tudor on the NG and thought no more of it however my now deceased neighbour Ron here in sunny Sydenham son Nicky we talking with me one day and the topic got around to the internet and News groups and of course weather and climate and Nicky mentioned Tudor who he knew from sort of trad jazz enthusiast and players -simple as that.

I have never worked for the GLC but the one night Tudor and I had a couple of pints he obviously misheard or misinterpreted what I said. At the moment I still work and to be honest due to the PC climate I work in I would rather wait until I retire in the next couple of years as again I hold some not so 'party line in my views, It's nothing amazing or important but it has shaped my AGW views to a vary large extent as it's been a lesson in human behaviour.


By the way Tudor is a really nice bloke.

Alastair what part of the country are you in?

On Tuesday, 18 February 2014 23:22:42 UTC, Alastair wrote:
"Lawrence Jenkins" wrote in message



The contact in the met office was someone from here and it was the odd

email not a major revelation.



I work for an organisation that purports to be very politically correct in

the private sector and as for disappearing during the US elections

bloody hell I don't even have a current passport which I must renew for

me bus pass. LOL.



You don't have to travel to the US to spread propaganda there. You can post

to the US using the Internet these days. Don't tell me you didn't know that

:-)



Alastair it's just that I see very often fold getting carried away with a

religious zeal over all sorts when the facts don't always hold up to the

light of scrutiny. You are adding 2+2 and getting 5.2.



Shouln't that be 42?



Matt Sykes I don't know only that I saw he was a regular on alt.global

warming where I was told to shove off to by group members here when I kept

going on about things.



Well alt.global-warming has been well and truly over run by deniers from the

Stink tanks. I guess he has been redirected here.



You're not an Alex Salmond supporter by any chance , are you?



What that fishy bloke? I reckon he is past his sell by date.



Cheers, Alastair.

Oh one more thing: When I started looking over at alt warming it didn't have the gravity and class of this NG however Dawlish was a frequent visitor there and I believe in recent weeks Matt followed him over as he stopped posting there.

Nothing more sinister than that. The thing is we are all paranoid now..

You are clearly mad, and if you believe in cold radiation - which you do - it's akin to believing in the great pink spaghetti monster in the sky (bless her noodliness) which defines madness.

On Wednesday, 19 February 2014 07:47:44 UTC, Dawlish wrote:
You are clearly mad, and if you believe in cold radiation - which you do - it's akin to believing in the great pink spaghetti monster in the sky (bless her noodliness) which defines madness.

Come on Paul don't start on Alastair he is always polite and acts in a gentlemanly way , he's post the other night was really a sign of his passion and concern for what he truly believes are the unattended to danger of AGW. The trouble is if you become convinced that there is a very clear danger from something it's hard not to get frustrated when others seem blasé about and seemingly either don't care or want the disaster to happen. Now I don't agree with that but being on the left for many years I was always warning everyone about the collapse of Capitalism and the dangers and opportunities it would present, For decades the
International Marxist Group ( full of educational intellectuals)
Workers Revolutionary Party (full of Vanessa's thespian friends
Militant (or was it irritant) Tendency) full of angry middle class kids
Socialist Worker Party (unfortunately never actually recruited workers)
workers Power (more lesbian than thespian)

believed that revolution was just around the corner . We kept scouring the A-Z's but we never found that corner. But I digress the point is we were zealots who kept warning of disaster for the worlds working classes. Now of course ganger for the British so called working classes means having to actually work and come of HB.

One last observation: In the early seventies when Heath ran on taking Britain into Europe mu group which was then the Socialist Labour League before the rebrand to the WRP, was dead set against the EEC. I remember as clear as day one meeting at the Deptford Labour when Terry James a Thespian who played Sidney Tate in London's Burning http://tinyurl.com/pcbm48q

(stage name James Marcus)

Was so passionate about how the new European Community would allow labour to be used to undermine wages , he was almost in tears. Mind you some 50 years later he wasn't far wrong with the only difference being the EEC is run by lefties and old Stalinist. You gotta laugh

On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 6:28:08 PM UTC, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Wednesday, 19 February 2014 07:47:44 UTC, Dawlish wrote:

You are clearly mad, and if you believe in cold radiation - which you do - it's akin to believing in the great pink spaghetti monster in the sky (bless her noodliness) which defines madness.



Come on Paul don't start on Alastair he is always polite and acts in a gentlemanly way.

Yes. He thinks I'm a climate denier and he believes that cold bodies can somehow cool warmer ones by a process called "Cold radiation".

You don't understand the physics, so why are you commenting? You lie anyway.

On Wednesday, 19 February 2014 19:17:24 UTC, Dawlish wrote:
On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 6:28:08 PM UTC, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:

On Wednesday, 19 February 2014 07:47:44 UTC, Dawlish wrote:



You are clearly mad, and if you believe in cold radiation - which you do - it's akin to believing in the great pink spaghetti monster in the sky (bless her noodliness) which defines madness.







Come on Paul don't start on Alastair he is always polite and acts in a gentlemanly way.



Yes. He thinks I'm a climate denier and he believes that cold bodies can somehow cool warmer ones by a process called "Cold radiation".



You don't understand the physics, so why are you commenting? You lie anyway.

Paul just give it a rest for a change, okay he got you wrong as a so called denier but being a sceptic I didn't believe him anyway and seriously Alastair does not in a million years deserve to be treated so.