On Friday, 12 December 2014 08:35:21 UTC, RedAcer wrote:
On 11/12/14 22:37, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
Hmm warmest year ever by a staggering 0.000000007 of a degree Celsius
has certainly taken its toll on the Arctic ice, especially around the
east Greenland coast and the sea gulf between that and Iceland

http://ocean.dmi.dk/satellite/index.uk.php


It's the warmest year averaged over the whole planet. As you say, by a
small amount. Why wouldn't a cherry-picked area have a colder
temperature then average? Do you know what an average is?

What, do you mean this sort of thing

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosph....withtrend.jpg


?

On 12/12/14 09:49, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Friday, 12 December 2014 08:35:21 UTC, RedAcer wrote:
On 11/12/14 22:37, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
Hmm warmest year ever by a staggering 0.000000007 of a degree Celsius
has certainly taken its toll on the Arctic ice, especially around the
east Greenland coast and the sea gulf between that and Iceland

http://ocean.dmi.dk/satellite/index.uk.php


It's the warmest year averaged over the whole planet. As you say, by a
small amount. Why wouldn't a cherry-picked area have a colder
temperature then average? Do you know what an average is?

What, do you mean this sort of thing

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosph....withtrend.jpg


?



Hard to tell by eye but there seems to a trend downwards over the last
few decades.
But that is irrelevant. Are you saying that if the average temperature
of the planet is going up the area of sea ice can't increase. Why
shouldn't it?

On Friday, 12 December 2014 10:06:01 UTC, RedAcer wrote:
On 12/12/14 09:49, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Friday, 12 December 2014 08:35:21 UTC, RedAcer wrote:
On 11/12/14 22:37, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
Hmm warmest year ever by a staggering 0.000000007 of a degree Celsius
has certainly taken its toll on the Arctic ice, especially around the
east Greenland coast and the sea gulf between that and Iceland

http://ocean.dmi.dk/satellite/index.uk.php


It's the warmest year averaged over the whole planet. As you say, by a
small amount. Why wouldn't a cherry-picked area have a colder
temperature then average? Do you know what an average is?

What, do you mean this sort of thing

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosph....withtrend.jpg


?



Hard to tell by eye but there seems to a trend downwards over the last
few decades.
But that is irrelevant. Are you saying that if the average temperature
of the planet is going up the area of sea ice can't increase. Why
shouldn't it?

that's assuming that the data you so really hasn't been spun and tortured. Are you sayiong that coming out of the Litt;le Ice Age was due to humans burning wood and coal.

On 12/12/14 14:43, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Friday, 12 December 2014 10:06:01 UTC, RedAcer wrote:
On 12/12/14 09:49, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Friday, 12 December 2014 08:35:21 UTC, RedAcer wrote:
On 11/12/14 22:37, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
Hmm warmest year ever by a staggering 0.000000007 of a degree Celsius
has certainly taken its toll on the Arctic ice, especially around the
east Greenland coast and the sea gulf between that and Iceland

http://ocean.dmi.dk/satellite/index.uk.php


It's the warmest year averaged over the whole planet. As you say, by a
small amount. Why wouldn't a cherry-picked area have a colder
temperature then average? Do you know what an average is?

What, do you mean this sort of thing

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosph....withtrend.jpg


?



Hard to tell by eye but there seems to a trend downwards over the last
few decades.
But that is irrelevant. Are you saying that if the average temperature
of the planet is going up the area of sea ice can't increase. Why
shouldn't it?

that's assuming that the data you so really hasn't been spun and tortured. Are you sayiong that coming out of the Litt;le Ice Age was due to humans burning wood and coal.

Not really relevant to the current conversation. I was answering your point.
Do you have any reply to mine?

On Friday, 12 December 2014 10:06:01 UTC, RedAcer wrote:
On 12/12/14 09:49, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Friday, 12 December 2014 08:35:21 UTC, RedAcer wrote:
On 11/12/14 22:37, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
Hmm warmest year ever by a staggering 0.000000007 of a degree Celsius
has certainly taken its toll on the Arctic ice, especially around the
east Greenland coast and the sea gulf between that and Iceland

http://ocean.dmi.dk/satellite/index.uk.php


It's the warmest year averaged over the whole planet. As you say, by a
small amount. Why wouldn't a cherry-picked area have a colder
temperature then average? Do you know what an average is?

What, do you mean this sort of thing

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosph....withtrend.jpg


?



Hard to tell by eye but there seems to a trend downwards over the last
few decades.
But that is irrelevant. Are you saying that if the average temperature
of the planet is going up the area of sea ice can't increase. Why
shouldn't it?

So after three decade s of shrill AGW its hard to tell if sea ice has gone one way or the other . As for the sea ice and air temps, of course its dependant on air temperature on the surface -do the warner oceans migrate south in a NH winter to be replaced by colder seas on an hitherto unknown vast scale is that the reasons oceans freeze

You are incapable of learning, aren't you? If I say again that ice is being rapidly lost year on year from both polar areas (fact), you'll lie by saying it isn't and try to talk about only sea ice in Antarctica, ignoring the overall loss in ice volume.

Go on. Do it.

On 12/12/14 18:30, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Friday, 12 December 2014 10:06:01 UTC, RedAcer wrote:
On 12/12/14 09:49, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Friday, 12 December 2014 08:35:21 UTC, RedAcer wrote:
On 11/12/14 22:37, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
Hmm warmest year ever by a staggering 0.000000007 of a degree
Celsius has certainly taken its toll on the Arctic ice,
especially around the east Greenland coast and the sea gulf
between that and Iceland

http://ocean.dmi.dk/satellite/index.uk.php


It's the warmest year averaged over the whole planet. As you
say, by a small amount. Why wouldn't a cherry-picked area have
a colder temperature then average? Do you know what an average
is?

What, do you mean this sort of thing

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosph....withtrend.jpg




?



Hard to tell by eye but there seems to a trend downwards over the
last few decades. But that is irrelevant. Are you saying that if
the average temperature of the planet is going up the area of sea
ice can't increase. Why shouldn't it?

So after three decade s of shrill AGW its hard to tell if sea ice has
gone one way or the other . As for the sea ice and air temps, of
course its dependant on air temperature on the surface -do the warner
oceans migrate south in a NH winter to be replaced by colder seas on
an hitherto unknown vast scale is that the reasons oceans freeze


AFAIK the volume of ice over Antarctica is going down, but the area of
ice is going up. That is a result of warming.

On Friday, 12 December 2014 19:22:35 UTC, RedAcer wrote:
On 12/12/14 18:30, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Friday, 12 December 2014 10:06:01 UTC, RedAcer wrote:
On 12/12/14 09:49, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Friday, 12 December 2014 08:35:21 UTC, RedAcer wrote:
On 11/12/14 22:37, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
Hmm warmest year ever by a staggering 0.000000007 of a degree
Celsius has certainly taken its toll on the Arctic ice,
especially around the east Greenland coast and the sea gulf
between that and Iceland

http://ocean.dmi.dk/satellite/index.uk.php


It's the warmest year averaged over the whole planet. As you
say, by a small amount. Why wouldn't a cherry-picked area have
a colder temperature then average? Do you know what an average
is?

What, do you mean this sort of thing

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosph....withtrend.jpg




?



Hard to tell by eye but there seems to a trend downwards over the
last few decades. But that is irrelevant. Are you saying that if
the average temperature of the planet is going up the area of sea
ice can't increase. Why shouldn't it?

So after three decade s of shrill AGW its hard to tell if sea ice has
gone one way or the other . As for the sea ice and air temps, of
course its dependant on air temperature on the surface -do the warner
oceans migrate south in a NH winter to be replaced by colder seas on
an hitherto unknown vast scale is that the reasons oceans freeze


AFAIK the volume of ice over Antarctica is going down, but the area of
ice is going up. That is a result of warming.



Ah yes this is the new branch of AGW science. Or should I say Knew branch as no one seemed to have any idea this was going to happen , its rubbish simple as that.

On Friday, December 12, 2014 7:34:41 PM UTC, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Friday, 12 December 2014 19:22:35 UTC, RedAcer wrote:
On 12/12/14 18:30, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Friday, 12 December 2014 10:06:01 UTC, RedAcer wrote:
On 12/12/14 09:49, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Friday, 12 December 2014 08:35:21 UTC, RedAcer wrote:
On 11/12/14 22:37, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
Hmm warmest year ever by a staggering 0.000000007 of a degree
Celsius has certainly taken its toll on the Arctic ice,
especially around the east Greenland coast and the sea gulf
between that and Iceland

http://ocean.dmi.dk/satellite/index.uk.php


It's the warmest year averaged over the whole planet. As you
say, by a small amount. Why wouldn't a cherry-picked area have
a colder temperature then average? Do you know what an average
is?

What, do you mean this sort of thing

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosph....withtrend.jpg




?



Hard to tell by eye but there seems to a trend downwards over the
last few decades. But that is irrelevant. Are you saying that if
the average temperature of the planet is going up the area of sea
ice can't increase. Why shouldn't it?

So after three decade s of shrill AGW its hard to tell if sea ice has
gone one way or the other . As for the sea ice and air temps, of
course its dependant on air temperature on the surface -do the warner
oceans migrate south in a NH winter to be replaced by colder seas on
an hitherto unknown vast scale is that the reasons oceans freeze


AFAIK the volume of ice over Antarctica is going down, but the area of
ice is going up. That is a result of warming.



Ah yes this is the new branch of AGW science. Or should I say Knew branch as no one seemed to have any idea this was going to happen , its rubbish simple as that.

It's accepted science. Why do you lie?

It lasted a few hours until larry tries to lie to get people to believe his idiotic denialist nonsense.

On Friday, 12 December 2014 20:34:00 UTC, Dawlish wrote:
On Friday, December 12, 2014 7:34:41 PM UTC, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Friday, 12 December 2014 19:22:35 UTC, RedAcer wrote:
On 12/12/14 18:30, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Friday, 12 December 2014 10:06:01 UTC, RedAcer wrote:
On 12/12/14 09:49, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Friday, 12 December 2014 08:35:21 UTC, RedAcer wrote:
On 11/12/14 22:37, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
Hmm warmest year ever by a staggering 0.000000007 of a degree
Celsius has certainly taken its toll on the Arctic ice,
especially around the east Greenland coast and the sea gulf
between that and Iceland

http://ocean.dmi.dk/satellite/index.uk.php


It's the warmest year averaged over the whole planet. As you
say, by a small amount. Why wouldn't a cherry-picked area have
a colder temperature then average? Do you know what an average
is?

What, do you mean this sort of thing

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosph....withtrend.jpg




?



Hard to tell by eye but there seems to a trend downwards over the
last few decades. But that is irrelevant. Are you saying that if
the average temperature of the planet is going up the area of sea
ice can't increase. Why shouldn't it?

So after three decade s of shrill AGW its hard to tell if sea ice has
gone one way or the other . As for the sea ice and air temps, of
course its dependant on air temperature on the surface -do the warner
oceans migrate south in a NH winter to be replaced by colder seas on
an hitherto unknown vast scale is that the reasons oceans freeze


AFAIK the volume of ice over Antarctica is going down, but the area of
ice is going up. That is a result of warming.



Ah yes this is the new branch of AGW science. Or should I say Knew branch as no one seemed to have any idea this was going to happen , its rubbish simple as that.

It's accepted science. Why do you lie?

It lasted a few hours until larry tries to lie to get people to believe his idiotic denialist nonsense.

So that's what its come to from the oh so tolerant 50 millions deaths and counting left, disagreement is now lying..

Listen you silly fart show me one instance where I have lied. Oh why bother you are a fool, an idiot of such gigantic proportions that I'm surprised you can get yer big 'ead through the door when you leave the house. It is absolutely impossible to see one ounce of sane reason with such a demented dictatorial ideologue such as yourself.

This is your mentality

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikssfUhAlgg

Waste of time but sad in a way.