On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 3:11:46 PM UTC, Dawlish wrote:
On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 10:56:49 AM UTC, wrote:

I also took the opportunity to point them to the MetO and Haytor web sites.

Will

you were doing fine until the last sentence, where the juxtaposition of the two caused me to utter a loud guffaw. 8))

PS I see there has been no reply from piers. I winder why?

PPS The typos were simply to mirror egg. *))

On Wednesday, 7 January 2015 15:11:46 UTC, Dawlish wrote:
On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 10:56:49 AM UTC, wrote:

I also took the opportunity to point them to the MetO and Haytor web sites.

Will

you were doing fine until the last sentence, where the juxtaposition of the two caused me to utter a loud guffaw. 8))

PS I see there has been no reply from piers. I winder why?

Do you often 'winder' and does your family know?

Star of Winder Star of Light

In message , Brian Lawrence
writes
On 07/01/2015 10:48, John Hall wrote:
In message , Brian Lawrence
writes
On 06/01/2015 19:50, Malcolm wrote:

snip a load of crap, even dangerous crap considering the alarm that your
forecasts may have engendered among the elderly.

Well yes, but how many 'elderly' will have seen those 'forecasts'?

Quite a few, I would think, if they read papers such as the Daily
Express. (And even the Daily Telegraph isn't above running alarmist
weather stories from time to time.)

Yes, but no one sane should take seriously what the Express says about
weather,

They /shouldn't/, but probably many do. Not everyone is as clued up
about the weather as the readers of this newsgroup.

and while their readership can be pigeonholed as 'elderly', there are
not that many of them. Actually, there are very few readers for any
newspapers these days - poss. except the Sun, but Sun readers
rarely care about the weather (unless it's presented on page 3.)

Certainly newspaper circulations have been declining in recent years,
but I suspect less amongst the elderly - who tend to be set in their
ways (I include myself in that, before anyone accuses me of being
ageist) - than amongst the young. And - judging by Will's anecdote - I
suspect that weather scare stories spread by word of mouth to many who
haven't actually read a paper. (Often getting misattributed to the Met
Office in the process - I suspect that many still don't realise that
there are any other forecasters and just assume that all forecasts must
have originated from the Met Office.)

I don't keep track, who provides weather 'forecasts' for which 'paper
these days? (Clearly if the Telegraph article is by Philip Eden, it's
worth reading - which I usually do).


Philip Eden provides a weekly article for the Sunday Telegraph, but the
Daily and Sunday Telegraph forecasts are by an outfit called Accuweather
(and the forecasts are pretty poor).

Also,
unless they are suffering from dementia why would they take them
seriously|?


Clearly a lot of people /do/ take them seriously, even including Boris
Johnson who, whatever his faults, seems unlikely to be suffering from
dementia.

I've heard/partly read what he said/wrote, but am not aware of the
context. He likes to make jokes, and sometimes says things to provoke a
reaction, or to make a point.


This was in an article in the Telegraph a couple of years ago, and he
was clearly being serious. I like to think that he will have noticed the
huge disparity between Pier's forecast for December and what actually
happened, and that the scales will have fallen from his eyes.
--
I'm not paid to implement the recognition of irony.
(Taken, with the author's permission, from a LiveJournal post)

The NHS crisis is caused by many things, but the weather is not one of them.
We have a weak population brought about by being largely elderly, labelled as disabled (even though most in this category are just fat or unfit), or just plain time wasters. The really ill people are then not given the care they need or deserve.
And to make matters worse, a whole wedge of cash is wasted each year on legal battles with patients, paying too much for drugs or supplies....plus paying non-surgical managers far too much.

Seasonal forecasting is not possible in the UK...get over it.
Any more than 6 days is beyond any Met organisation...especially for dramatists and headline seekers like Corbyn.

Ben

John Hall wrote:

In message , Brian Lawrence
writes
On 07/01/2015 10:48, John Hall wrote:
In message , Brian Lawrence
writes
On 06/01/2015 19:50, Malcolm wrote:

snip a load of crap, even dangerous crap considering the alarm that
your forecasts may have engendered among the elderly.

Well yes, but how many 'elderly' will have seen those 'forecasts'?

Quite a few, I would think, if they read papers such as the Daily
Express. (And even the Daily Telegraph isn't above running alarmist
weather stories from time to time.)

Yes, but no one sane should take seriously what the Express says about
weather,

They shouldn't, but probably many do. Not everyone is as clued up about the
weather as the readers of this newsgroup.

and while their readership can be pigeonholed as 'elderly', there are not
that many of them. Actually, there are very few readers for any newspapers
these days - poss. except the Sun, but Sun readers rarely care about the
weather (unless it's presented on page 3.)

Certainly newspaper circulations have been declining in recent years, but I
suspect less amongst the elderly - who tend to be set in their ways (I
include myself in that, before anyone accuses me of being ageist) - than
amongst the young. And - judging by Will's anecdote - I suspect that weather
scare stories spread by word of mouth to many who haven't actually read a
paper. (Often getting misattributed to the Met Office in the process - I
suspect that many still don't realise that there are any other forecasters
and just assume that all forecasts must have originated from the Met Office.)

I don't keep track, who provides weather 'forecasts' for which 'paper
these days? (Clearly if the Telegraph article is by Philip Eden, it's
worth reading - which I usually do).


Philip Eden provides a weekly article for the Sunday Telegraph, but the Daily
and Sunday Telegraph forecasts are by an outfit called Accuweather (and the
forecasts are pretty poor).

Accuweather is one of the biggest (possibly THE biggest) weather companies in
the USA. They are certainly very legitimate players in the business.
Nevertheless, it doesn't surprise me that their forecasts for the UK are poor.
No matter how good the numerical models, a great deal of local knowledge is
needed to get from model output to reasonably reliable forecasts in this
country.

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
http://peakdistrictweather.org

On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 5:13:59 PM UTC, Crusader wrote:
The NHS crisis is caused by many things, but the weather is not one of them.
We have a weak population brought about by being largely elderly, labelled as disabled (even though most in this category are just fat or unfit), or just plain time wasters. The really ill people are then not given the care they need or deserve.
And to make matters worse, a whole wedge of cash is wasted each year on legal battles with patients, paying too much for drugs or supplies....plus paying non-surgical managers far too much.

Seasonal forecasting is not possible in the UK...get over it.
Any more than 6 days is beyond any Met organisation...especially for dramatists and headline seekers like Corbyn.

UTTERLY WRONG!!! WeatherAction has proven forecast skill at 100 DAYS ahead and more. If you dont believe me ask Dennis WHEELER!!!! Sir Piers is followed by over eight THOUSAND PEOPLE on Twitter and continues to attract more and more subscribers to his forecasts - 90% of whom are happy or more than happy with the product. You couldnt say the same for the Met Office who churn out lies and crap on an hourly basis. GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT AND THEN COMMENT!!!!!!

On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 5:13:59 PM UTC, Crusader wrote:
The NHS crisis is caused by many things, but the weather is not one of them.
We have a weak population brought about by being largely elderly, labelled as disabled (even though most in this category are just fat or unfit), or just plain time wasters. The really ill people are then not given the care they need or deserve.
And to make matters worse, a whole wedge of cash is wasted each year on legal battles with patients, paying too much for drugs or supplies....plus paying non-surgical managers far too much.

Seasonal forecasting is not possible in the UK...get over it.
Any more than 6 days is beyond any Met organisation...especially for dramatists and headline seekers like Corbyn.

Ben

Except that, on occasions, I've demonstrated that it is perfectly feasible.

Odd that, isn't it?

On 07/01/2015 17:34, Jim Cannon wrote:

If you dont believe me ask Dennis WHEELER!!!!

Who?

Sir Piers is followed by over eight THOUSAND PEOPLE on Twitter

As if that is a good thing!

and continues to attract more and more subscribers to his forecasts - 90% of
whom are happy or more than happy with the product.

90% of 10 is still only 9

You couldnt say the same
for the Met Office who churn out lies and crap on an hourly basis.

Oh I'm sure we could.

--

Brian W Lawrence
Wantage
Oxfordshire

On 07/01/2015 17:34, Jim Cannon wrote:
On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 5:13:59 PM UTC, Crusader wrote:
The NHS crisis is caused by many things, but the weather is not one of them.
We have a weak population brought about by being largely elderly, labelled as disabled (even though most in this category are just fat or unfit), or just plain time wasters. The really ill people are then not given the care they need or deserve.
And to make matters worse, a whole wedge of cash is wasted each year on legal battles with patients, paying too much for drugs or supplies....plus paying non-surgical managers far too much.

Seasonal forecasting is not possible in the UK...get over it.
Any more than 6 days is beyond any Met organisation...especially for dramatists and headline seekers like Corbyn.

UTTERLY WRONG!!! WeatherAction has proven forecast skill at 100 DAYS ahead and more. If you dont believe me ask Dennis WHEELER!!!! Sir Piers is followed by over eight THOUSAND PEOPLE on Twitter and continues to attract more and more subscribers to his forecasts - 90% of whom are happy or more than happy with the product. You couldnt say the same for the Met Office who churn out lies and crap on an hourly basis. GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT AND THEN COMMENT!!!!!!


Cripes! There really is a shortage of "care in the community".

On Wednesday, 7 January 2015 16:48:31 UTC, Malcolm wrote:
In article ,
Lawrence Jenkins writes
On Wednesday, 7 January 2015 15:11:46 UTC, Dawlish wrote:
On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 10:56:49 AM UTC,
wrote:

I also took the opportunity to point them to the MetO and Haytor web sites.

Will

you were doing fine until the last sentence, where the juxtaposition
of the two caused me to utter a loud guffaw. 8))

PS I see there has been no reply from piers. I winder why?

Do you often 'winder' and does your family know?

Star of Winder Star of Light

Wouldn't "I windered lonely as a cloud" be more appropriate for this
newsgroup?

--
Malcolm

He meant wonder not wander and came up with Stevie Winder