The key point concerns impacts.
The UKMO approach to warnings is amusing or not amusing
whichever way you view it.
As I said before, the UKMO views those in N. Scotland tougher
than those down south and more able to
withstand extreme weather.
However, the impact of loosing your roof in a storm force wind
is not a pleasant experience whether you
are down south or up north. It would be nice to be prepared
where ever you are.
So the UKMO talk of impacts is a bit pathetic if you ask me.
Anyway, I thought the UKMO's role was to forecast the weather
and then let other authorities prepare given the forecast.
Len

Well said, Len. My sentiments exactly.

Anne

On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 13:40:45 -0700 (PDT), Len Wood
wrote:
The key point concerns impacts.
As I said before, the UKMO views those in N. Scotland tougher than
those down south and more able to withstand extreme weather.
Well that's probably the case if you get severe weather more often.

However, the impact of loosing your roof in a storm force wind is
not a pleasant experience whether you are down south or up north. It
would be nice to be prepared where ever you are.
True - and maybe roofs are made of tougher stuff on Scotland? Maybe
building regs are more stringent due to the higher likelihood of
severe weather.

So the UKMO talk of impacts is a bit pathetic if you ask me.
Hmmm....

Anyway, I thought the UKMO's role was to forecast the weather and
then let other authorities prepare given the forecast.
But if you have a population that is more used to severe weather -
then the impact of that weather will be perceived differently from a
population that isn't used to severe weather.

--
Freddie
Pontesbury, Shropshire
102m AMSL
http://www.hosiene.co.uk/weather/
https://Twitter.com/PontesburyWx for hourly reports

"Freddie" wrote in message
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On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 13:40:45 -0700 (PDT), Len Wood
wrote:
The key point concerns impacts.
As I said before, the UKMO views those in N. Scotland tougher than
those down south and more able to withstand extreme weather.
Well that's probably the case if you get severe weather more often.

However, the impact of loosing your roof in a storm force wind is
not a pleasant experience whether you are down south or up north. It would
be nice to be prepared where ever you are.
True - and maybe roofs are made of tougher stuff on Scotland? Maybe
building regs are more stringent due to the higher likelihood of severe
weather.

So the UKMO talk of impacts is a bit pathetic if you ask me.
Hmmm....

Anyway, I thought the UKMO's role was to forecast the weather and
then let other authorities prepare given the forecast.
But if you have a population that is more used to severe weather - then
the impact of that weather will be perceived differently from a population
that isn't used to severe weather.


Indeed. I have just driven back home in fog this evening with 20 metres
visibility and no cats eyes. No big deal. I'm used to it. But to lowland
folk, where such visibilities are rare, it would merit an amber warning.
Likewise with light snowfalls and icy roads. We are used to them and drive
accordingly.
Heavy rain is 40 mm or more, 25 mm is nothing and will be taken as a normal
wet day with surface water, no big deal.

Will
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http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm
Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
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On 11/03/2015 22:48, Freddie wrote:
On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 13:40:45 -0700 (PDT), Len Wood
wrote:
The key point concerns impacts.
As I said before, the UKMO views those in N. Scotland tougher than
those down south and more able to withstand extreme weather.
Well that's probably the case if you get severe weather more often.

However, the impact of loosing your roof in a storm force wind is
not a pleasant experience whether you are down south or up north. It
would be nice to be prepared where ever you are.
True - and maybe roofs are made of tougher stuff on Scotland? Maybe
building regs are more stringent due to the higher likelihood of severe
weather.

So the UKMO talk of impacts is a bit pathetic if you ask me.
Hmmm....

Anyway, I thought the UKMO's role was to forecast the weather and
then let other authorities prepare given the forecast.
But if you have a population that is more used to severe weather - then
the impact of that weather will be perceived differently from a
population that isn't used to severe weather.

Freddie, I thought that it wasn't the Met Office who decided the
parameters for warnings but the Public Weather Service Customer Group
(http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/about-us...ustomer-group). People
seem to think it's an arbitrary MetO decision, but teh MetO actually
follows advice from this group. Has this changed now? Or is my
understanding wrong?

On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 08:55:05 +0000, Metman2012
wrote:
Freddie, I thought that it wasn't the Met Office who decided the
parameters for warnings but the Public Weather Service Customer
Group
(http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/about-us...ustomer-group).

Yes, that is what I have been saying. I also said that the Met Office
(among others, I will add in hindsight) probably advised on the
impacts of particular parameters. They certainly don't set those
parameters.

--
Freddie
Pontesbury, Shropshire
102m AMSL
http://www.hosiene.co.uk/weather/
https://Twitter.com/PontesburyWx for hourly reports

Yes, that is what I have been saying. I also said that the Met
Office (among others, I will add in hindsight) probably
advised on the impacts of particular parameters. They
certainly don't set those parameters.

It would be interesting trying to set parameters that would
result in a warning for wind one day, but no warning for a
stronger wind in the same place two days later.

Anne

On Thu, 12 Mar 2015 09:10:56 -0000, "Anne B" wrote:
It would be interesting trying to set parameters that would
result in a warning for wind one day, but no warning for a
stronger wind in the same place two days later.

The figures you mention were for a single point or location, IIRC.
Warnings work over an area. In my experience, wind speeds can vary a
lot over short distances.

--
Freddie
Pontesbury, Shropshire
102m AMSL
http://www.hosiene.co.uk/weather/
https://Twitter.com/PontesburyWx for hourly reports

True - and maybe roofs are made of tougher stuff on Scotland? Maybe
building regs are more stringent due to the higher likelihood of
severe weather.


Freddie
Pontesbury, Shropshire

That's more accurate than many would think. I lived on the cliff top 1 mile from Land's End for around 10 years, with a view of Scilly on a clear day.

During that time we had a number of days when the wind reached, or exceeded F10, and gusts in excess of 90mph. (Nearby Gwennap Head holds the low level wind record for England & Wales, and according to HH Lamb the area gets between 20 & 30 gales per annum, just about the highest anywhere in mainland UK away from mountain tops.) Incredibly there was never any damage to the roof, though once when we opened the front door in a severe gale the traphatch took off and hit the roof from the inside. John Chappell's Land's End site gives an idea of the conditions we enjoyed.

During my Wootton Bassett period in the '80s we lost tiles on 3 occasions when the wind was barely gale force. (1970s build)

There's a lot to be said for nailing the tiles down, which is what we got done when we re-roofed http://www.turnstone-cottage.co.uk/

Graham
Penzance

There's a lot to be said for nailing the tiles down,

slate, not tiles

Graham

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There's a lot to be said for nailing the tiles down,

slate, not tiles


That's what mine are. Slates nailed onto 6" wide x 1" thick boards (no
felt). Built in 1915 with a rather steep pitched roof so snow falls off
easily!

Will
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Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
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