On 21/06/15 15:35, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Sunday, 21 June 2015 14:06:44 UTC+1, Dawlish wrote:
There's no 'right' and no wrong in science, as I've attested to on
here any times.there is no proof, though deniers want there to be.
The best you'll get is a consensus amongst scientists. In this
case, the consensus is huge, at 99.9% in the latest literature
survey. What does that suggest about CO2 being the major cause of
global warming.

A good analogy is gravity. The theory of gravity is not proven and
never will be. However, if I was stood under a falling piano, I'd
be inclined to do my best to get out of the way. A denier, however
would be still telling anyone in hearing distance that the theory
is a bunch of crap. Right up to the end. 😀



You're analogy of gravity I pure tosh. I'll tell you why you idiot,
we can see gravity working on the earth every day , very hour, every
second but we have no evidence whatsoever of co2 heating the
atmosphere, do we?

Please show this evidence to me and your follower.

It's in any book on atmospheric physics, or just use google.

On Sunday, 21 June 2015 16:00:50 UTC+1, Dawlish wrote:
On Sunday, June 21, 2015 at 3:35:50 PM UTC+1, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Sunday, 21 June 2015 14:06:44 UTC+1, Dawlish wrote:
There's no 'right' and no wrong in science, as I've attested to on here any times.there is no proof, though deniers want there to be. The best you'll get is a consensus amongst scientists. In this case, the consensus is huge, at 99.9% in the latest literature survey. What does that suggest about CO2 being the major cause of global warming.

A good analogy is gravity. The theory of gravity is not proven and never will be. However, if I was stood under a falling piano, I'd be inclined to do my best to get out of the way. A denier, however would be still telling anyone in hearing distance that the theory is a bunch of crap. Right up to the end. 😀



You're analogy of gravity I pure tosh. I'll tell you why you idiot, we can see gravity working on the earth every day , very hour, every second but we have no evidence whatsoever of co2 heating the atmosphere, do we?

Please show this evidence to me and your follower.

99.9% of all published material on the subject points to exactly that evidence. 0.1% supports you and yours.

Your little corner of denial becomes smaller by the day. laughing



Absolute rubbish. Everyday the pause remains and everyday that it unfolds that government and AGW ideological and grant funded bodies have skewed the data, racked up the hyperbole as well as racking up their income; then the public will rapidly as they do now, see the whole thing as am exaggerated scam.

But still St Paul the enlightened one, you have yet to show me or anyone any absolute evidence that C02 in the atmosphere will create a planet to hot to live on. Your feeble plagiarised analogy of gravity is useless. Since the earth formed 4.5 billion years ago, gravity has been an observable demonstrable force regardless of whether their was conscious animal that could or would have noted it until eventually humans did. Human co2 in the atmosphere 150 years versus 4.5 billion of gravitational force and you are other silly buggers are saying that's comparable?

If we look at the ice core data -the actual science.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...t_data.svg.png

You can clearly see that C02 follows temperature by a thousand years -or are you denying those proxies.

So with all that uncertainty about co2 and 1) its effectiveness as a greenhouse gas and 2) how much of our rise in PPM of co2 it purely the oceans recovering from the LIA which was a global event and don't give me that ******** it wasn't as that would be rich coming from an AGW nutter who swears AGW allegiance by a hockey stick that's been used as a proxy for our past climate and yet was based on two trees in Siberia!!!!!!!

Hardly any bona fide scientist would say, that in 4.5 billion years that atmospheric co2 increases and its effect on temperature was as clearly demonstrable as gravity.

I note arctic ice, Antarctic and total ice are very healthy , In fact combined sea ice now, is as high as it was when the satellite started recording it and that has been the period according to NAS and co that AGW had been at its greatest, I'm really looking forward in these coming years as the AGW bandwagon grinds to a halt throwing many of its passengers flat on their faces.

On Sunday, 21 June 2015 17:26:14 UTC+1, RedAcer wrote:
On 21/06/15 15:35, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Sunday, 21 June 2015 14:06:44 UTC+1, Dawlish wrote:
There's no 'right' and no wrong in science, as I've attested to on
here any times.there is no proof, though deniers want there to be.
The best you'll get is a consensus amongst scientists. In this
case, the consensus is huge, at 99.9% in the latest literature
survey. What does that suggest about CO2 being the major cause of
global warming.

A good analogy is gravity. The theory of gravity is not proven and
never will be. However, if I was stood under a falling piano, I'd
be inclined to do my best to get out of the way. A denier, however
would be still telling anyone in hearing distance that the theory
is a bunch of crap. Right up to the end. 😀



You're analogy of gravity I pure tosh. I'll tell you why you idiot,
we can see gravity working on the earth every day , very hour, every
second but we have no evidence whatsoever of co2 heating the
atmosphere, do we?

Please show this evidence to me and your follower.

It's in any book on atmospheric physics, or just use google.



What, that co2 is a green house gas in a laboratory? Co2 levels changed with temperature long before our ancestors first lit a fire and put the kettle on.

On 21/06/15 15:02, Col wrote:
Dawlish wrote:
There's no 'right' and no wrong in science, as I've attested to on
here any times.there is no proof, though deniers want there to be.
The best you'll get is a consensus amongst scientists. In this case,
the consensus is huge, at 99.9% in the latest literature survey. What
does that suggest about CO2 being the major cause of global warming.

A good analogy is gravity. The theory of gravity is not proven and
never will be. However, if I was stood under a falling piano, I'd be
inclined to do my best to get out of the way. A denier, however would
be still telling anyone in hearing distance that the theory is a
bunch of crap. Right up to the end. ??

In the instance of gravity, how much proof do you want??

We know how it works,

Do we?

we know what the equations are. We can
'slingshot' spaceprobes around planets in order to accelerate them.
And lo and behold the probes end up where we want them.

Yes you can use the equations of Newtonian gravity and calculate these
trajectories with sufficient accuracy in the solar system, but not in a
strong gravitational field where you have to use the more accurate
theory of general relativity, where gravity is modelled not as a force
but as the curvature of spacetime.


How could we do that if the theory wasn't 'proven'?
Newtonian gravity was proven to be wrong ~100 years ago.

On 21/06/15 17:34, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Sunday, 21 June 2015 17:26:14 UTC+1, RedAcer wrote:
On 21/06/15 15:35, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Sunday, 21 June 2015 14:06:44 UTC+1, Dawlish wrote:
There's no 'right' and no wrong in science, as I've attested to
on here any times.there is no proof, though deniers want there
to be. The best you'll get is a consensus amongst scientists.
In this case, the consensus is huge, at 99.9% in the latest
literature survey. What does that suggest about CO2 being the
major cause of global warming.

A good analogy is gravity. The theory of gravity is not proven
and never will be. However, if I was stood under a falling
piano, I'd be inclined to do my best to get out of the way. A
denier, however would be still telling anyone in hearing
distance that the theory is a bunch of crap. Right up to the
end. 😀



You're analogy of gravity I pure tosh. I'll tell you why you
idiot, we can see gravity working on the earth every day , very
hour, every second but we have no evidence whatsoever of co2
heating the atmosphere, do we?

Please show this evidence to me and your follower.

It's in any book on atmospheric physics, or just use google.



What, that co2 is a green house gas in a laboratory?

Yes, AFAIK.

Co2 levels
changed with temperature long before our ancestors first lit a fire
and put the kettle on.
Yes that's true, and the temperature went up then. There's strong
evidence that CO2 from volcanoes warmed the planet after the
'snowball-earth' period.

On Sunday, 21 June 2015 17:44:05 UTC+1, RedAcer wrote:
On 21/06/15 17:34, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Sunday, 21 June 2015 17:26:14 UTC+1, RedAcer wrote:
On 21/06/15 15:35, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Sunday, 21 June 2015 14:06:44 UTC+1, Dawlish wrote:
There's no 'right' and no wrong in science, as I've attested to
on here any times.there is no proof, though deniers want there
to be. The best you'll get is a consensus amongst scientists.
In this case, the consensus is huge, at 99.9% in the latest
literature survey. What does that suggest about CO2 being the
major cause of global warming.

A good analogy is gravity. The theory of gravity is not proven
and never will be. However, if I was stood under a falling
piano, I'd be inclined to do my best to get out of the way. A
denier, however would be still telling anyone in hearing
distance that the theory is a bunch of crap. Right up to the
end. 😀



You're analogy of gravity I pure tosh. I'll tell you why you
idiot, we can see gravity working on the earth every day , very
hour, every second but we have no evidence whatsoever of co2
heating the atmosphere, do we?

Please show this evidence to me and your follower.

It's in any book on atmospheric physics, or just use google.



What, that co2 is a green house gas in a laboratory?

Yes, AFAIK.

Co2 levels
changed with temperature long before our ancestors first lit a fire
and put the kettle on.
Yes that's true, and the temperature went up then. There's strong
evidence that CO2 from volcanoes warmed the planet after the
'snowball-earth' period.



Just cooked fathers day Sunday lunch and now they've all done their duty and cleared off. So right. Oh yes this issue of volcanoes spewing out c02 has been raised before. I'm not sure where we are with this one as the AGW side claim that Volcanoes now hardly belch out any c02? Do they and how much do they contribute?

On 21/06/15 17:34, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Sunday, 21 June 2015 17:26:14 UTC+1, RedAcer wrote:
On 21/06/15 15:35, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Sunday, 21 June 2015 14:06:44 UTC+1, Dawlish wrote:
There's no 'right' and no wrong in science, as I've attested to
on here any times.there is no proof, though deniers want there
to be. The best you'll get is a consensus amongst scientists.
In this case, the consensus is huge, at 99.9% in the latest
literature survey. What does that suggest about CO2 being the
major cause of global warming.

A good analogy is gravity. The theory of gravity is not proven
and never will be. However, if I was stood under a falling
piano, I'd be inclined to do my best to get out of the way. A
denier, however would be still telling anyone in hearing
distance that the theory is a bunch of crap. Right up to the
end. 😀



You're analogy of gravity I pure tosh. I'll tell you why you
idiot, we can see gravity working on the earth every day , very
hour, every second but we have no evidence whatsoever of co2
heating the atmosphere, do we?

Please show this evidence to me and your follower.

It's in any book on atmospheric physics, or just use google.



What, that co2 is a green house gas in a laboratory?

On 21/06/15 17:34, Lawrence Jenkins wrote: On Sunday, 21 June 2015
17:26:14 UTC+1, RedAcer wrote:
On 21/06/15 15:35, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Sunday, 21 June 2015 14:06:44 UTC+1, Dawlish wrote:
There's no 'right' and no wrong in science, as I've attested to on
here any times.there is no proof, though deniers want there to be.
The best you'll get is a consensus amongst scientists. In this
case, the consensus is huge, at 99.9% in the latest literature
survey. What does that suggest about CO2 being the major cause of
global warming.

A good analogy is gravity. The theory of gravity is not proven and
never will be. However, if I was stood under a falling piano, I'd
be inclined to do my best to get out of the way. A denier, however
would be still telling anyone in hearing distance that the theory
is a bunch of crap. Right up to the end. 😀



You're analogy of gravity I pure tosh. I'll tell you why you idiot,
we can see gravity working on the earth every day , very hour, every
second but we have no evidence whatsoever of co2 heating the
atmosphere, do we?

Please show this evidence to me and your follower.

It's in any book on atmospheric physics, or just use google.



What, that co2 is a green house gas in a laboratory?
http://www.sciencephoto.com/media/160498/view
or just google "lab experiments demonstrating co2 is a greenhouse gas"

On 21/06/15 17:53, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Sunday, 21 June 2015 17:44:05 UTC+1, RedAcer wrote:
On 21/06/15 17:34, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Sunday, 21 June 2015 17:26:14 UTC+1, RedAcer wrote:
On 21/06/15 15:35, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Sunday, 21 June 2015 14:06:44 UTC+1, Dawlish wrote:
There's no 'right' and no wrong in science, as I've
attested to on here any times.there is no proof, though
deniers want there to be. The best you'll get is a
consensus amongst scientists. In this case, the consensus
is huge, at 99.9% in the latest literature survey. What
does that suggest about CO2 being the major cause of global
warming.

A good analogy is gravity. The theory of gravity is not
proven and never will be. However, if I was stood under a
falling piano, I'd be inclined to do my best to get out of
the way. A denier, however would be still telling anyone in
hearing distance that the theory is a bunch of crap. Right
up to the end. 😀



You're analogy of gravity I pure tosh. I'll tell you why you
idiot, we can see gravity working on the earth every day ,
very hour, every second but we have no evidence whatsoever of
co2 heating the atmosphere, do we?

Please show this evidence to me and your follower.

It's in any book on atmospheric physics, or just use google.



What, that co2 is a green house gas in a laboratory?

Yes, AFAIK.

Co2 levels changed with temperature long before our ancestors
first lit a fire and put the kettle on.
Yes that's true, and the temperature went up then. There's strong
evidence that CO2 from volcanoes warmed the planet after the
'snowball-earth' period.



Just cooked fathers day Sunday lunch and now they've all done their
duty and cleared off. So right. Oh yes this issue of volcanoes
spewing out c02 has been raised before. I'm not sure where we are
with this one as the AGW side claim that Volcanoes now hardly belch
out any c02? Do they and how much do they contribute?

It took thousands of years for the CO2 to build up. Is was able to rise,
even though it was being slowly released, because many geological and
biological processes had stopped because of the extensive ice coverage.

"Dawlish" wrote in message
...

To show up climate deniers, the analogy is just perfect.

That's why you'll never be a persuasive AGW advocate - you have to stick to
rational argument and not rather meaningless, non-scientific rhetoric.

On 21/06/2015 15:35, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Sunday, 21 June 2015 14:06:44 UTC+1, Dawlish wrote:
There's no 'right' and no wrong in science, as I've attested to on here any times.there is no proof, though deniers want there to be. The best you'll get is a consensus amongst scientists. In this case, the consensus is huge, at 99.9% in the latest literature survey. What does that suggest about CO2 being the major cause of global warming.

A good analogy is gravity. The theory of gravity is not proven and never will be. However, if I was stood under a falling piano, I'd be inclined to do my best to get out of the way. A denier, however would be still telling anyone in hearing distance that the theory is a bunch of crap. Right up to the end. 😀



You're analogy of gravity I pure tosh. I'll tell you why you idiot, we can see gravity working on the earth every day , very hour, every second but we have no evidence whatsoever of co2 heating the atmosphere, do we?

Please show this evidence to me and your follower.

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Just remind me of one thing though Lawrence, you do agree the planet has
warmed to a measurable extent over the last, say 60 years?